The guy in this video made an interesting point. Why didn't Coach K use more pick & roll with Zion?
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I’ve hardly ever seen K use pick and roll. I don’t claim to know enough to know if that’s for better or worse.
We will when Dachamp takes the reins
No we win when Coach K actually starts coaching again and not just sitting back and watching. He made hardly no adjustments and have empowered the wrong players the last two years. Grayson and RJ had no business touching the ball more than Marvin and Zion in close games
The gift that keeps on givingWorst take of all time hahaha.
The gift that keeps on giving
The guy in this video made an interesting point. Why didn't Coach K use more pick & roll with Zion?
Worst take of all time hahaha.
I’ve hardly ever seen K use pick and roll. I don’t claim to know enough to know if that’s for better or worse.
Nor did he cause us to turn the ball over 17 times inexplicably in the game vs MSU which we lost by one point. We were 32-6, won the ACC and were one basket away from the final four. Disappointing? Definitely- missed opportunity, no doubt. His worst coaching year ever? What? Saying if K coached like he did in ‘16- huh? I guess when you just throw out a statement you don’t have to back it up with any concrete facts.After seeing that photo of UNC packing all 5 defenders into the paint while RJ tried to drive the lane, I'm not surprised we didn't get to the Final Four. Sure 2 generational talents, but after that, a lot of flawed role players. Was it K's fault Reddish and Tre were so streaky from outside, and Jack lost his shot in January? Maybe, I wasn't at practice. I only saw the games and K didn't miss any shots.
Lol couldn't agree more. We were also gifted a Sweet 16 path in 2016, Yale upset Baylor in the first round. I remember that Baylor team was an elite dominant physical rebounding team and we were a terrible rebounding team.This is one of my favorite things though- a team with no expectations goes to the sweet 16, gets blown out is somehow seen as one of his better coaching jobs, yet a team like ‘18 would be a “worst” jobs he’s done even though they were a few rolls away from a final four.
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Is it K’s fault that Goings hit that three? I guess so, bc I’m sure that was absolutely the shot they wanted to give up. Dude was 3-11 and 1-7 from deep. They stopped Winston and then Goings hit the shot of the game with like 40 seconds left.Lol couldn't agree more. We were also gifted a Sweet 16 path in 2016, Yale upset Baylor in the first round. I remember that Baylor team was an elite dominant physical rebounding team and we were a terrible rebounding team.
The tournament requires an insane amount of luck. Remember the Gonzaga Elite 8 game back in 2015? It was back and forth the whole second half, and then Wiltjer missed a wide open bunny for them and then we started to run away, total luck he missed that. We just as easily could have been bounced in the Elite 8 that year too.
The fact that we STILL should have beaten MSU given the 17 turnovers speaks to the amount of talent we had. Yes....MSU scored after every timeout and I believe we turned the ball over after every timeout. Could you blame K for that?? Sure. But K wasn't out there throwing the ball away every time either.
I'm over last season, even though I think we would have rolled through the Final 4. It was still a really fun ride and a team that will always be one of my favorites.
I will NEVER get over the Kansas Elite 8 loss in 2018. Up 3 with less than a minute left. Grayson holding the ball and taking a tough shot. The Wendell block call in OT. That one will sting forever.
Somewhat off topic, but I always feel the 2010 Championship Team was underrated compared to some of the groups like we had this year that was way flashier but less of a TEAM with complementary parts.
Is it K’s fault that Goings hit that three? I guess so, bc I’m sure that was absolutely the shot they wanted to give up. Dude was 3-11 and 1-7 from deep. They stopped Winston and then Goings hit the shot of the game with like 40 seconds left.
Tim, with all due respect, I think what some are getting at is that the coaching staff developing different strategies and tactics over the course of the season would've transcended any one particular play in one particular game.
For example, as much as I love Coach K, I just don't think he and the coaches did a good enough job developing and employing offensive strategies and tactics that put more of our guys in better positions to have success besides Zion and R.J.
I've discussed this enough in the past that I don't want to rehash all the details here but that's the general point. If we'd done that --in addition to altering our defensive strategy earlier in the year--I think we beat Michigan State by double digits, and again, that would've transcended any one particular play. I also think we beat UCF and Va. Tech more comfortably. And I also don't think we would've struggled as much when Zion went down.
I don't think they did a poor job by any means. I just think they could've been better.
Again, no disrespect intended. We're all Duke fans gents, and as mentioned, nothing wrong with having multiple points of view.
I can handle this post because you provided your POVs with examples. One issue i had with the end of year that to me i just couldn’t figure out is why did we stop pressuring full court to open up the second half? If you watched a lot of our games in the first half of the year we kind of played a half court defensive pace but would open the second half pressing full court, turning other teams over and breaking it open. Our advantages were turning other teams over which got us into our biggest strength which was getting out and finishing in transition. Why we went away from that was the biggest head scratcher to me.Tim, with all due respect, I think what some are getting at is that the coaching staff developing different strategies and tactics over the course of the season would've transcended any one particular play in one particular game.
For example, as much as I love Coach K, I just don't think he and the coaches did a good enough job developing and employing offensive strategies and tactics that put more of our guys in better positions to have success besides Zion and R.J.
I've discussed this enough in the past that I don't want to rehash all the details here but that's the general point. If we'd done that --in addition to altering our defensive strategy earlier in the year--I think we beat Michigan State by double digits, and again, that would've transcended any one particular play. I also think we beat UCF and Va. Tech more comfortably. And I also don't think we would've struggled as much when Zion went down.
I don't think they did a poor job by any means. I just think they could've been better.
Again, no disrespect intended. We're all Duke fans gents, and as mentioned, nothing wrong with having multiple points of view.
I’m not kissing his butt like most of you. That’s not me. He was piss poor.
I think its a good thing to have varying POV's here. Bottom line it shows a very PASSIONATE FAN BASE that follows for my money is still the premier program in the country.
I’m not sure anyone is disallowing a differing POV, @hart2chesson. There’s no difference in someone calling out for being a horrible coach, than someone saying he’s a good one.
Anyone will argue their POV just like anyone else. I’m not sure what the conception is there. Just because people disagree, it doesn’t mean they’re somehow suppressing someone else. It just so happens in this case, more people disagree with “K did a horrible job” than agree with that take.
And the “piss poor” rhetoric without substance is tired. It’s still someone’s opinion, so be it, but the lack of substance holds no water with a group of knowledgeable fans.
I can handle this post because you provided your POVs with examples. One issue i had with the end of year that to me i just couldn’t figure out is why did we stop pressuring full court to open up the second half? If you watched a lot of our games in the first half of the year we kind of played a half court defensive pace but would open the second half pressing full court, turning other teams over and breaking it open. Our advantages were turning other teams over which got us into our biggest strength which was getting out and finishing in transition. Why we went away from that was the biggest head scratcher to me.
My counter to others was with RJ and Zion being the only two guys, which was simply not the case. In crunch time, absolutely. But as was said above by i think Lift or Jwill, it gets tough when you don’t have others that you can consistently count on- Jack, Cam or Tre were streaky. So i don’t think it was a lack of development or strategy as much as, what can we trust when going gets tough. Cam in transition for 3, yes, but we never got into transition And so, at that point in the game, last really 230-3min, we had to go to our bread and butter.
No offense taken what so ever, well thought out post and i understand your thought process. Thanks for the post.
Yes. Cam was the primary ball handler on his AAU team. Anything to get Cam a bigger role on our offense would have done wonders for him. Now the issue was...Cam couldn't dribble very well, so I'm sure thats why K felt more comfortable having RJ be the primary man when Tre was out.Great post Tim with some great points.
Question for you and others... do you think it could've benefited Cam if we'd given him more burn at point guard? Nothing against Tre whatsoever, of course he's going to be the primary.
If we could've figured out how to get the ball in Cam's hands more--somehow--i think it would've benefited the entire team and especially him.
Pal all I am really saying is dialogue on different POV's is not a bad thing. It makes for interesting reading and as I scan other message boards seems to be the norm.
I also never said or meant to imply someone was "DISALLOWING" another person's view. Do I think K did a "pisspoor" job? No way. Do I think he's had seasons where he's done better? I happen to believe yes he has.However there's so many things a coach CANNOT CONTROL-like the shooting woes. I do however believe Timo was spot-on about more defensive pressure needed. Thank you, rant over, OFC
Yes. Cam was the primary ball handler on his AAU team. Anything to get Cam a bigger role on our offense would have done wonders for him. Now the issue was...Cam couldn't dribble very well, so I'm sure thats why K felt more comfortable having RJ be the primary man when Tre was out.
I think the worst thing to happen to this team was beating UK by 34 points in November. It was awesome, don't get me wrong. But maybe had we won by 4 points in a hard fought ugly victory, our guys (and the staff) may have been more motivated to improve throughout the season (I'm not saying our guys weren't motivated either, it was just really weird that we didn't improve as a team at all and the only guy who made strides throughout the season was Zion IMO, again REALLY WEIRD.)
Quite honestly I’m just seeing where that was going, because in the past, any disagreement of “K did a bad job” has turned into “the board isn’t allowing me to have an opinion.” I wanted to make sure that wasn’t the case here. No sarcasm needed.
Good post Ipsy. Glad you are posting again. OFC