So, when anyone comes with a hot take of “Duke is going to lose because they can’t make the 3,” show them this tweet.
3-point shooting thus far in the Tournament
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And going back a little further, Zion is 7 of 15 from 3 since he's been back from the injury. We also shot well from 3 against Syracuse in the ACCT. We're not a great 3 point shooting team, but we're capable. UCF packed it in tight and dared us, and we responded pretty well.
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Part of me wishes we wouldn't shoot another one the rest of the tournament, and part of me thinks we absolutely have to. But I cringe every time one goes up!!!
My preference would be for Duke to pound the ball inside to open games and try to build a lead and use that to open up three point shooting. We tend to start taking bad threes when we are only up 1-4 points or so. I'd like to see us extend to 8 and start shooting.
Similar note, Is it just me or does Cam shoot way better when the game is on the line? I think it has to do with him not thinking about it anymore at that point.
Similar note, Is it just me or does Cam shoot way better when the game is on the line? I think it has to do with him not thinking about it anymore at that point.
I'm really excited that Cam went 3/4. He looked relaxed shooting and that's a great sign.
There is an interesting stat about Cam’s 3 point shooting when Duke is trailing and away from home. He’s a better 3 point shooter in those situations. Remember, we don’t win without his 3 before Zion and RJ’s heroics!
We sure don't. That three was HUGE. He seemed so poised as well.
I’m starting to think Zion spent his entire injury time practicing 3’s. He’s gonna need them at the next level
Our 3 point shooting has been good outside of Tre. We're not traditional Duke teams hunting the 3, but RJ and Zion have gotten good enough you can't leave them open.
The genius of Dawkins adjustment was that he put Tacko on Tre so there was no way we were going to get him out of the lane unless Tre suddenly turned into a 3pt shooter.
We make threes in big games. That’s why I believe in this team. When it gets win time, we start making shots that people say we can’t. Cam is definitely our clutch shooter. He has ice in his veins when it’s time to go win the game.
Reddish shoots 1038472928273% better when he’s moving. RJ is actually good 3PT shooter, he just forces it too often.
If we can keep Cam MOVING and RJ selectively choosing his 3’s, we’re fine!
If we can keep Cam MOVING and RJ selectively choosing his 3’s, we’re fine!
40%? I'll take it.
I thought we shot pretty well yesterday, with the exception of Tre going a harsh 1/8.
I thought we shot pretty well yesterday, with the exception of Tre going a harsh 1/8.
Tre is a horrendous shooter outside of him we are not that bad especially on open looks. If tre would just stick to his driving and midrange game I think we have a chance to be scary on offense the rest of the year.
I really don't mind Tre shooting 2-4 threes a game. I am sure the staff is telling him to shoot them when open, and who knows, maybe he is knocking them down in practice. But he seems to have really rediscovered his midrange and drive game over the past few weeks. I would love to see him attack and pull up for 10 footer instead of putting up 8 threes and going 1-8.
Just some armchair QB stuff.
Just some armchair QB stuff.
I have a feeling Tre is going to keep shooting, and that the staff has told him to do so. What we can't have from him is what happened to Jack White - where his confidence shooting it goes to 0. Jack was nearly un-playable for a stretch. Tre gives us other things, but if he a Goldwire are both out there and neither will even look at a shot from deep, we will have a hard time scoring. Tre has to take (and make) those shots or we cannot get past some of the better teams that are left. I don't think he needs to shoot 8 of them. But if he can go 2 for 4 or 5 on wide open looks, that's enough to open things up.
We can't be so bad that the other team just decides to guard only RJ and Zion. When Tre, Goldwire, and Javin are all there we just don't have enough guys that you have to guard. This is one of the reasons it's critical Cam stay out of foul trouble. If he hadn't had to sit so long, they couldn't have used that YMCA defense so effectively.
Tre is Jekyll and Hide here. Sometimes he'll hesitate and sometimes not. His confidence is somewhere in the middle right now.
UCF was giving Tre like 10 ft of room. All he needs to do is take a couple steps in for a midrange jump where he's much more reliable.
I think the biggest issue with our 3 ball is that bad three point shooters are shooting it so much more than they should..
More than half of our three point attempts this year have been taken by players shooting less than 32% from three.. no reason those players should be shooting more threes than the “good” three point shooters..
More than half of our three point attempts this year have been taken by players shooting less than 32% from three.. no reason those players should be shooting more threes than the “good” three point shooters..
That’s it. We have capable guys they just don’t shoot it in the same volume as tre
Ok. A couple of observations.
they were not even guarding Tre and Goldwire at the 3 point line. And they were letting Zion shoot from there at will also. so those stats area bit misleading.
Tre should be driving the basketball and getting the defense to make a move on him and then hit his pull up or floater -- or make a pass. he was doing this quite well until the second half.
every time we were shooting a 3 we were playing in to their hands by sparing potential fouls on Taco. we should have been driving the ball right at him the entire second half. this is finally what Zion started doing late in the game.
we need to play inside first - then out.
they were not even guarding Tre and Goldwire at the 3 point line. And they were letting Zion shoot from there at will also. so those stats area bit misleading.
Tre should be driving the basketball and getting the defense to make a move on him and then hit his pull up or floater -- or make a pass. he was doing this quite well until the second half.
every time we were shooting a 3 we were playing in to their hands by sparing potential fouls on Taco. we should have been driving the ball right at him the entire second half. this is finally what Zion started doing late in the game.
we need to play inside first - then out.
*whispers* UCF is not the first team to dare Duke to shoot from 3.
Here’s a quote from Tre about the game:
“The whole team was telling me that (to shoot) and all the coaches were telling me that, But I mean, I feel like I let them down by not hitting that. But next time the opportunity is there, I’ll definitely be ready to take those shots.”
I feel like it’s fate that he hits a huge 3 for us somewhere down the line.
“The whole team was telling me that (to shoot) and all the coaches were telling me that, But I mean, I feel like I let them down by not hitting that. But next time the opportunity is there, I’ll definitely be ready to take those shots.”
I feel like it’s fate that he hits a huge 3 for us somewhere down the line.
Yeah that’s true. But i know it’s gotta be hard for him to not take that shot when they’re playing that far off. If only Tre could shoot around 32-35%
The problem appears to me to be not that Duke can't make a 3. It is that the 3 is often the last resort. It is not a weapon that they confdently pull out of the sheath to open up the driving lane. Almost all the major players on the team seem to swallow real hard before launching. The exception is Reddish, who, as an analyst mentions above, is really deadly when the game is tied or Duke is behind.
If Reddish or AOC or even Baker could ever be used successfully as 3 point shooters earlier as a weapon this team is almost unbeatable. As it is, competitive teams know their best chance of winning is to stay back and pack their defence in close to the basket. But more than just packing it back in, a key competitive weapon is to make guys who are not, at this point in their careers reliable 3 point shooters, to take the 3.
Against UCF, Tre Jones took more 3's than anyone. He was 1-8. Reddish and Barrett and AOC (if he gets inthe game), need to shoot the buk of the 3's earlier and often..
If Reddish or AOC or even Baker could ever be used successfully as 3 point shooters earlier as a weapon this team is almost unbeatable. As it is, competitive teams know their best chance of winning is to stay back and pack their defence in close to the basket. But more than just packing it back in, a key competitive weapon is to make guys who are not, at this point in their careers reliable 3 point shooters, to take the 3.
Against UCF, Tre Jones took more 3's than anyone. He was 1-8. Reddish and Barrett and AOC (if he gets inthe game), need to shoot the buk of the 3's earlier and often..
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While other teams have dared Tre to shoot, no one else will be able to do it like UCF did. When Cam got in foul trouble and the lineup was Goldwire, Tre, Javin, RJ, and Zion, they put Tacko on Tre. When Tre had the ball, he was just close enough that if Tre decided to step into a midrange jumper, he could challenge it but they were going to let him shoot the 3. That meant Tacko was never in danger of coming away from the basket or being beaten by his man. RJ and Zion were our only threats to score and they would have to beat their own man and then deal with Tacko at the rim. I think the only tactical adjustment we could've made would have been to actually move Tre down into the post, let RJ and Zion drive, then pass to Tre for layups when Tacko came over to help.
Having said all that, no one else can run that defense quite like UCF did because no one else has someone who's 7'6".
Having said all that, no one else can run that defense quite like UCF did because no one else has someone who's 7'6".
interesting post about Cam's 3 point numbers. i think he plays better when he just follows his instincts and doesn't think too much.
I feel like them going zone would be advantageous for us. We are a really solid offensive rebounding teams and they lack length. I do get the premise but nothing to me changes. As long as we aren’t settling for 3s we can do work against this team on that end. If our defense shows up the way it normally does, we win this game and I’m getting more confident by the day here. Let’s go.
