Did Duke recruit Marcus Bagley at all? *Marvin’s Brother*
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Woah, woah. You’re comparing a claim made after 1 game to one made during a stretch mid season? Wow.
ESPN also said Duke and Zion could go undefeated and beat NBA teams. Think for yourself sometime. Oh wait..
The real Mac is back!
you’re the best at spinning things but we both know the same people. Acting like Bagley was the chemistry problem that year is just flat out wrong. I could go on and on but if i had to remove one player from that team, it wouldn’t be Marvin.
By the way, the Zion/Duke hype lasted until December. Go back through your ESPN Rolodex to find that info.
Come on Timo. I thought you were better than this. I would like to have seen Bagley come sooner. You guys act like I don’t like him. Again, I thought the timing of him messed our team up. We never had a comfortable stretch at all during that season where we looked like the best team in the country. We did, however, look better as a team, during his absence. And that caught the eye of some sportscasters, and they don’t have a dog in the fight.
I never said it was fact. Just that guys that get paid, and aren’t Duke fans, made some interesting comments about the team during a stretch without him.
A 4 game “stretch” that included 11-14 Georgia Tech and a spiraling Louisville team. Hang a banner boys!
Cliché number 7 if anyone is counting. “I thought you were better than this [disagreeing with me].”
Don’t forget we were the only team to beat Clemson in Clemson. Same Clemson team that played tough with Kansas in the tourney.
Go back and watch games randomly during that season. We were hardly ever dominant. No matter what any of you say, we looked our best without him.
You’re trying to be cute. Timo quoted me 2 times. Once, without any sarcasm, the next had it dripping. That’s where the number 7 cliche, as you call it, came from.
You were far gone before that, believe me. Maybe we can check with Seth Greenberg.
The team with Bagley beat 7 ranked teams, 3 of which were in the top 10. What’s your point?
I’ve already made it. You just don’t want to acknowledge any of what I’ve said.
1–He came LATE
2-We never looked dominant. As inconsistent at end of season as the beginning. We were consistently inconsistent.
3-Didn’t lose when he was injured
4-Sportscasters saying similar things to what I said. That doesn’t mean I’m right, just that I’m not only one who thought it. (I put this part in so you won’t twist it around)
We just don’t agree here. That’s fine. I won’t change my opinion and neither will you.
Nice attempt at the “you aren’t listening” crap. I gave you facts, line by line statements and facts regarding why your previous posts were INSANELY wrong.
He came LATE is the only fact you’ve given us, and you really needed a “pause” after that one.
Zion could, and did play defense. It’s not even fair to Zion to put Bagley, or any other one and done player, beside him.
And thats fine IMO..... Very good point/counterpoint here and its making for quite an entertaining exchange. Everyone won't always be on the same page and I think it makes for a better board....
OFC
The first game without Marvin was the game at GT, that also happened to be the first game Duke committed to zone for 40 minutes. We then won a bunch of games in a row. Our Ken Pom D ranking climbed rapidly up the ranks, and guess what...it continued to climb once Marvin came back.
Us winning those games in a row had zero to do with not having Marvin and had everything to do with, you know, changing our whole freaking defense.
Us winning those games in a row had zero to do with not having Marvin and had everything to do with, you know, changing our whole freaking defense.
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Hahah. Was never interested in leaving the western US.
Or if you want, like some of these guys said, Duke didn’t want to pay him or his dad sucks or whatever else.
And playing teams that couldn’t shoot for shit. But you know, no Marvin or whatever...
AMEN...Had Zion been on that team rather than Bagley, I think our sights would be set on natty #7. I truly think he would have meshed better w/Wendell than Bags.....Marvin was great player, but I dont think RELOCATES the ball to others as well as Z. You mentioned the liability w/MB on defensive end as well. OFC
So him coming in August messed us up? Got it. You were already disproven on the trip cancellation (true btw) so can’t use that as an out.
we didn’t look better as a team with him out, that is flat out not true.
also the sportscasters not having a dog in the fight....how many threads on this very board do we have every year about people bitching about sportscasters, myself included- hello Doris Burke
You think that team with Zion instead of Bagley would have been better than the team that Zion was on? I think I would take the team that also had RJ and Tre
I’m not going back through this thread but did anyone say we were dominant? If they did, i would disagree with that premise, but acting like we were better without MB3 is pure comedy.
We didn’t have the highest Kenpom offensive ranking with Bagley......we had the second highest. EVER to that point
I agree.. but damn these lineups look interesting:
PG: T. Duval
G: G. Trent Jr.
G: G. Allen
PF: Z. Williamson
C: W. Carter
PG: T. Jones
G/F: C. Reddish
G/F: R.J. Barrett
PF: M. Bagley
C: M. Bolden
Zion being able to kick-out to some knockdown 3pt shooters like Gary Trent & Grayson.. also Wedell Carter could spread to the 3pt line if Zion needed to work in the paint.
But I believe if we could have swapped Cam for Gary Trent, then last years team would have been unstoppable.. and I think Cam would have did better on a team where he’s not overshadowed by 2 superstars at the level of Zion & RJ.
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Bolden at Center would have at least not made us a complete defensive liability in the post.
I think our moderators, especially, should respect the opinions of those with whom they disagree, even when they may not like them. Moderators are in a position of trust which they violate by trying to prove a point by belittling another poster and ridiculing the poster and his posts, instead of merely disagreeing with the poster and making a sound argument for one's own position and leaving it at that. Sarcastic disrespectful posts often reflect arrogance, condescension, closed mindedness, absence of self-control, and, maybe, even narcissism. This coming from a poster (me) who has in the past been guilty of making such thoughtless posts. I do not agree with Mac9192 on Bagley. However, he presented his opinion respectfully, did not try to win any points by belittling dukehokie, and presented what he believes to be adequate support for his opinion. Inferring that someone is a fool or a dope for thinking that way or because of his writing style is just not right. OFC
This Bagley argument has been going on here for years. At the end of the day, I don’t think it’s a question that we were a better team with him. Regardless of how much factual information is given, some don’t see it that way. They’re entitled to their opinion. What starts this same argument over and over is that whenever Bagley or that team are mentioned, a select few have to throw in a snide comment about his defense or his so called negative impact on that team. Even if you don’t appreciate all the good he did in a Duke uniform, you don’t have to throw him under the bus whenever the opportunity arises. We could point to a couple different issues with that team, but it all falls on Marvin for some odd reason.
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