I was looking through the incoming top recruits list and saw Marcus Bagley was the #35 recruit (247) - he’s a 6’7” 220lb Small Forward and is committed to Arizona State.
Did we recruit him at all?
Did we recruit him at all?
Did Duke recruit Marcus Bagley at all? *Marvin’s Brother*
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I don't think Duke did at all. Possibly they gave him a look, but don't think they recruited him.
Outside of Johnson, who is a 3 or 4. I don't think we went after any small-forwards. I think K knew Moore was coming back, and we obviously have Baker coming back too.
We needed a PG, shooters, and a couple bigs...and that's exactly what we got.
We needed a PG, shooters, and a couple bigs...and that's exactly what we got.
I was wondering about that too. Before I saw his ranking, I just assumed he was another younger brother who didn’t come close to the older brother. But he seems like he’s. A Solid recruit.
One Bagley was one too many. The baggage with them is not much less than the "Ball" family.
Feel like I’m on the correct side of history being glad Marvin gave Duke 1 year. Thought having the best college player in the country play for Duke was a great thing, we could have won the national title with some luck.
IMO anyone who thought Marvin hurt Duke should find a new sport to follow. I hear soccer is growing rapidly.
IMO anyone who thought Marvin hurt Duke should find a new sport to follow. I hear soccer is growing rapidly.
I think most would agree.
Lol most wouldn’t agree on the bagley situation most all the fans I kno think he messed that teams dynamic up
No one will deny his offensive talent. Some are blind and only see what he brought to the table on offense, failing though to see how weak we were defensively, largely due to him.
I think there's more on here that, in hindsight, would have left the team alone and not taken him, and run with Carter as our lone big, especially after watching our team play around Vernon this season, but they stay quiet to not get into a debate.
You can have too much talent, especially if that talent disturbs the chemistry.
Mac, that can be said about alot of our one and done freshman. Some like Parker, Bagley, Ingram, Rivers and more. They were all great offensive players, but not very good on defense. 2015 was a exception. Most freshmen overall aren't very good on defense. I for one was very glad we had Bagley. To me what disrupted that team was Carter's pouting. Hey, but that's just my opinion.
OFC
Bagley was not a good defender. No one is saying that. But Duke did become decent defensively when they made the switch to zone. Only one team finished in the top 10 that year in both offensive and defensive efficiency in the entire country. They resided in Durham.
The thing people have with Bagley is based on perception. Not reality. And that’s fine....it’s their right. No one loves Grayson more than I do, but he was a much bigger problem with his antics than Marvin Bagley ever was....and it’s not close.
The thing people have with Bagley is based on perception. Not reality. And that’s fine....it’s their right. No one loves Grayson more than I do, but he was a much bigger problem with his antics than Marvin Bagley ever was....and it’s not close.
Exactly right
If Bagley stayed 4 years instead of 1 then some would love him just like they do Grayson
The issue with Bagley isn’t that he only stayed one season at all. It’s all about timing. He signed real late, after our team was set, and I fully believe he’s the reason the Dominican trip was canceled. I think K’s surgery was a good excuse.
Let us not forget that in the 5 or 6 games played while he was injured, we didn’t lose.
Yes, we had more talent when he played, but without him I think we played better team ball.
It’s not like that team lost 3 or 4 games either. We lost 8. Didn’t win the ACC Tournament and the holes took 2 out of 3 from us.
Let us not forget that in the 5 or 6 games played while he was injured, we didn’t lose.
Yes, we had more talent when he played, but without him I think we played better team ball.
It’s not like that team lost 3 or 4 games either. We lost 8. Didn’t win the ACC Tournament and the holes took 2 out of 3 from us.
The disrespect Bagley gets boggles the mind... he did things at Duke that nobody else could (including Zion).
I won’t compare him to Zion....but the disrespect he sees is strangely bizarre.
Completely bizarre. Head scratching
Agree 100%....and some act like Grayson was a choir boy and everything was media driven...not his fault of course
The only explanation for not wanting Bagley on the ‘18 team is that he could have waited and been the starting C on the ‘19 team forming the nastiest team in history.
Anything other than that is insanity.
Anything other than that is insanity.
I'll wait for you to post Zions 30 point 15 rebound games at Duke. I'll go ahead and wait for you to post how many times that's happened under K and post the player....
Facts:
Zion: 22 pts/game 8.9 reb
Bag: 21 pts/game 11.1 reb
Zion: 20 point games 13
30 point games 2
10 rebound games 8
15 rebound games 1
Bags: 20 point games 12
30 point games 7
10 rebound games 17
15 rebound games 6
20 rebound games 1
Last but not least, in K's 40 years at Duke he's had 5 instances where a guy went for 30 and 15 in a game: Laettner once and BAGLEY FOUR TIMES.
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Marvin committed August 14th. The trip was an August 18 departure. K’s surgery was set for the 17th after doctors and staff told him he’d have to have surgery mid-season if he wanted to be able to walk and work with his players.
It’s unfortunate timing, but Marvin had nothing to do with that trip. He showed up at Duke on August 22 with the rest of the freshmen students at Duke University. A day before the trip would have ended. That trip was not cancelled on a courtesy so that K could personally be there to help him unload his bags (or bag$ as @pisgah101likes to say).
Bagley wasn’t even officially cleared to play yet by that point.
Dislike any player you want, but Bagley’s family wasn’t driving any buses, and Marvin certainly wasn’t the reason we didn’t make a Final Four that season, least of all because of the ACC tournament and UNC.
Offensively speaking, just like Zion didn’t touch the ball down the stretch against MSU, Marvin didn’t get a look for any meaningful possession in both the final 3 minutes OT and the final 6 minutes of regulation (6 MINUTES!). Granted in regulation Gary Trent and Wendell Carter made some big shots, but aside from free throws, Grayson Allen didn’t score in the second half and he got the final shot drawn up for him. Hmmm...
If you want to talk about his personal defense, I’ll easily call BS. Duke was in zone, and the top three in a 3-2 ZONE (Gary Trent, Tre Duval, Grayson Allen) couldn’t stop Malik Newman. At all. What?!
Bagley and Carter forced DeSousa and Azubuike into turnovers and missed shots down the stretch of regulation except for Carter allowing an alley oop on his side of the zone (flat footed, bad position). After that Bill Self went straight to Newman who destroyed our zone’s top line. Go back and watch the game I’ll link it below:
Duke possessions last 3 mins regulation - Tre Duval turnover, Grayson Allen drive & foul, Grayson Allen drive & foul, Wendell Carter drive & turnover.
Last 3 mins of OT - Grayson Allen turnover, Tre Duval made layup, Tre Duval turnover, Gary Trent drive & turnover, Grayson Allen turnover.
Marvin scored the possession before he got a shot ever again in both regulation (6:34 2 made FT’s) and OT (made layup).
Say what you want about a player’s season, but in the tournament which I know you hold as the standard for how a season should be viewed, as you’ve used on numerous occasions when putting down Coach K’s tactics and ability, Marvin was on his way to MOP. He finished with 16/10 on the night going 55% from the floor. He put Duke in the lead multiple times in the crunch and still couldn’t touch the ball for no fault of Kansas’s defense.
In THE game that mattered, Bagley was not at fault for Duke’s season as you just mentioned. The thought that he was the reason Duke didn’t reach their potential is asinine.
Here’s the receipt:
To me we seem to be in good shape as far as that position goes. Otherwise, as far as recruiting another Bagley, I think our coaching staff made a sound decision. Mr. Bagley brings a lot of baggage:
OFC
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I stand by what I have said. You are talking about the team with him. I’m admitting Duke was more talented with him, but was a better team without.
The trip that was canceled? If I’m not mistaken, he hadn’t been cleared by the NCAA, so he couldn’t have played.
It’s TIMING. Has nothing to do with the kid personally. I know that’s hard for many to make a claim that I’ve made. It’s really hard for a lot of people to see past talent alone. But there is more than just talent.
Had we went 3-2 or 4-1 while he was injured, I wouldn’t say we were a better team without him. But we won every game.
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Fair. And do you think we had a worse chance if we had bagley in those games?
Sorry sir, no slobbering here just facts. I gave you facts and you return with the same tired message board clichés you’ve brought for the better part of this decade. “I don’t fall into the traps,” “I alone can see past talent.” Just stop. Your game is as tired as the dumb conspiracy theories you use to spin up your two buddies on the board. Your take isn’t unique and it isn’t elevated. It’s tired.
I’m not sure. We did lose 8 games with him. In his absence, multiple guys on ESPN said this Duke team, the one without Bagley, is a Final 4 team.
I liked the mojo they had without him. It’s like the kids all had a little more energy.
ESPN also said Duke and Zion could go undefeated and beat NBA teams. Think for yourself sometime. Oh wait..
This thread is great. Let's stop recruiting alphas. They make us worse despite being our best players, haha. We shall cap our total talent level from now on.
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