Lol, do you really expect me to concede that Duke is the epitome of league success?
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Lol, do you really expect me to concede that Duke is the epitome of league success?
Y'all knew it wouldn't be long before his true colors showed. He can't help it, he's a unx fan.Is there a Carolina guy over here telling us our NBA players aren't all that? Seriously? UNC and Duke pros are even? Ummmmm. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
I could give less of a crap about Roy's "ethics".
Roy is heading into his last few seasons as a head coach the way Spurrier just did. It's going to get ugly.So could Roy.....
#RoyKnew
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Barnes?Just who is the best former unc player in the NBA right now? OFC
So could Roy.....
#RoyKnew
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Pinson fractured the fifth metatarsal in his right foot. Unfortunate injury for him, and something that will likely affect UNC's success this season. Who takes his place in the lineup? Also, does anyone know if this is similar to the problems Amile/Kyrie/Shav had?
Is there a Carolina guy over here telling us our NBA players aren't all that? Seriously? UNC and Duke pros are even? Ummmmm. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
You listed 5 Duke OAD guys. Of which, Parker is the only multi year player in the NBA. One guy has yet to play a regular season game in the NBA. Your point would be better if any of those guys were over the age of 22.
Look we have no way of proving what he did and didn't know. That's all I'm going to say there. I'm talking in terms of recruiting, I've never bought the notion that Roy is somehow more pure when it comes to recruiting than other coaches.
CB...he knew, and when he called out Mary Willingham after his loss to Miami post game home presser 3 years ago and fried her to the Carolina beat guys he put his foot in it. Why??? Because MW said "fine Roy lets meet and talk about it." He declined....He told Andy Katz of ESPN "that's not my world." Come on over and put down out players, put down our pros, but Roy knew....
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I'm not putting down anyone down first of all. It's simply a debate about NBA success, which I admit I have a bias against duke in this regard. And I'm certainly not putting down this year's duke team.
Look you may be right, and he may have known. But unless something else comes out, it can't be proven. I'm not one of those "Roy can do no wrong" guys, he's human like the rest of us. But am I going to lambast him and call for his head? No.
He had to get rid of Wayne Walden at UNC because things were getting too dicey(Walden of course the academic adviser from Kansas who RW brought w/him). Plenty has already come out where Roy is connected, and when Walden is quoted as saying "I cant remember if I told RW about the clustering of basketball players in the AFAM classes," hey everybody knows....Rams Clubbers know, they chuckle about it, and having the $$ and Philadelphia lawyers to keep things staus quo..
Listen you dont want us to talk about the Plumlees in the NBA, I have a problem w/that too.. Thats one heckuva fine family and a family of great athletes....We'll talk about those 3 boys w/nattys in THE LEAGUE all we want.....How many do the Ware twins have?? Oh thats rite- they left didnt they??
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Look man, I understand you root for my team's biggest rival. I get that in your mind, Roy 100% was in the know facilitating all of this. And the fact that we're probably not going to get much more than a slap on the wrist for this is infuriating too. But you're getting angry at the wrong guy here. I'm a fan, not a Rams clubber or a bigwig with a lot of dough for those Philadelphia lawyers. I just root for Carolina basketball and I love my team.
And when did I ever say I didn't want to talk about the Plumlees? I only said I didn't find them a great measuring stick for NBA success. Mason's doing well for the Trail Blazers, but Miles hasn't done much and I don't see Marshall being all that good either. We'll see.
And I'm not sure why you felt the need to bring up the Wear twins. They're irrelevant to this discussion.
1-its not in "my mind" ALONE about Roy's guilt,..You know that as well as I....I only brought up the scandal because you CHOSE to mention "Roy" and "his ethics" in the same sentence.
2- I do apologize for mentioning the Wear twins- simply siblings I thought of when you mentioned the Plumlees earlier today. Apparently I struck a nerve...
Carry on...
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I mentioned Roy and his ethics in terms of recruiting, not because I wanted to go down a rabbit hole about the scandal.
Lol, you didn't strike a nerve, it just had no relevance to the conversation. I did not insult the Plumlees, or attack their character, I only said I didn't think they were a great example of duke's success in the NBA. That was the discussion.
No offense, but you're really taking my words out of context here.
Just curious what players and what did they say.The only because be I am aware of was MccantsDukiejay,
Have you read some of Roy's players comments in regards to staying longer at UNC? I believe I have a valid argument.
CB "no offense" taken!! However do realize when you bring up "Roy and ethics" in the wake of the most widespread fraud case ever you run the risk of backlash on a rival board... It would work same way if I was to go on a UNC page if roles were reversed.. Thats my point....OFC
I understand that. I'm a fan from a rival board, I'm not going to be given any special treatment and I'm going to catch some jabs. I can handle it fine.
But in this situation I was referring to Roy's recruiting, becayse some on THR believe him to be a knight in shining armor because he doesn't deal with handlers, won't sell his soul for OADs, etc.
I think that's baloney. I love Roy, but I also think he's also willing to do whatever it takes to reel in top talent. If that means talking to handlers, so be it.
This had nothing to do with the scandal, you moved the conversation in that direction not me.
Roy not dealing with handlers is utter bs.Yall"s top recruit next year plays for Dion Bethea who is partners with Brian Clifton.Dion was also Brice"a handler.I don't know how long you have been around but THR had Clifton as public enemy one.You only deal with handlers that deliver recruits to you,That"s the Carolina WayI understand that. I'm a fan from a rival board, I'm not going to be given any special treatment and I'm going to catch some jabs. I can handle it fine.
But in this situation I was referring to Roy's recruiting, becayse some on THR believe him to be a knight in shining armor because he doesn't deal with handlers, won't sell his soul for OADs, etc.
I think that's baloney. I love Roy, but I also think he's also willing to do whatever it takes to reel in top talent. If that means talking to handlers, so be it.
This had nothing to do with the scandal, you moved the conversation in that direction not me.
True. I'll concede we need to wait to see how their careers progress first. So the jury's still out. But it helps a lot that duke has had these OAD players, whether or not they've made an immediate impact.
That's why when Ingram went to duke I was pissed. I knew that not only could he have made our team damn near unbeatable, but him going to the draft would have done wonders for our recruiting and helped us create some star power in the league. He was from an area where Carolina has had a lot of success. That one hurt, no matter what gary tries to tell you.
I think that is fair at this point. I think a couple of recent players are heading to be stars but they have a ways to go.Meth actually
I didn't say your pros were bad, but that you only have one true superstar and that's Kyrie Irving.
Looks like some team would take him just to stand on the side lines and stare at all the opposing players that come running by. I know it would scare the crap out of me. OFC
That's amazing. Wasn't Nash a top 3-5 guy coming out of high school?
You think thats scary Sky, I hear hes a terror on the highway!!!
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