Per Evan Daniels on Twitter, Ingram will announce his college decision April 27 per his high school coach Perry Tyndall. Finally, thoughts? I'm torn. I think he chooses Duke but I think it's because I want him too. Fingers crossed.
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I agree and Ingram actually doesn't turn 18 until during his freshman year of college (September)Originally posted by crazyduke3:
We just watch the games. Cut the kid a break, he's 18 and it IS a big choice, despite what WE think. If your impatient about it, shut your mouth and go watch the national Championship again, I promise you will feel better afterwards.
Originally posted by aah555:
Impossible to know what all of this stuff means -- but, it's interesting to me how little optimism there is on this board about signing Ingram when there are lot of pieces of publicly available information that would suggest we're in pretty good position, such as our 70% to 13% lead on 247 predictions on 247 or the fact that UNC seems to be making a big push for the VCU wing decommits. While it wouldn't be a shock to me at all if Ingram picked either UNC or UK, the fact of the second visit does make me think that Ingram to Duke is more than a longshot.
I'm aware of the 247 "Crystal Ball" or whatever they call it. How accurate do they tend to be?Originally posted by aah555:
Impossible to know what all of this stuff means -- but, it's interesting to me how little optimism there is on this board about signing Ingram when there are lot of pieces of publicly available information that would suggest we're in pretty good position, such as our 70% to 13% lead on 247 predictions on 247 or the fact that UNC seems to be making a big push for the VCU wing decommits. While it wouldn't be a shock to me at all if Ingram picked either UNC or UK, the fact of the second visit does make me think that Ingram to Duke is more than a longshot.
They are somewhat useful in giving you an indication of what the recruiting chatter suggests. Now, that obviously doesn't tell you everything -- b/c a kid may do a very good job keeping his cards close to his vest. However, the fact that one school is heavily favored or another would suggest, at a minimum, that there isn't any real sources / info. to suggest the 2nd place school will get the commit -- which, in and of itself, is somewhat telling. For Duke, at least, it's been pretty accurate over the past couple years -- with Jeter being 100% and Kennard at 69% before their respective commits, and Okafor / Jones / Winslow all being heavy Duke leans last year.Originally posted by HuffyJB:
I'm aware of the 247 "Crystal Ball" or whatever they call it. How accurate do they tend to be?Originally posted by aah555:
Impossible to know what all of this stuff means -- but, it's interesting to me how little optimism there is on this board about signing Ingram when there are lot of pieces of publicly available information that would suggest we're in pretty good position, such as our 70% to 13% lead on 247 predictions on 247 or the fact that UNC seems to be making a big push for the VCU wing decommits. While it wouldn't be a shock to me at all if Ingram picked either UNC or UK, the fact of the second visit does make me think that Ingram to Duke is more than a longshot.
Landing players in NC is very tough for Duke. UNC and NCSU are very popular in the state. Much more so than Duke, generally speaking.Originally posted by stanleyduke:
To land a guy from Kinston that is UNC's top target would be one of the biggest recruiting upsets ever. Do not discount how strong the Kinston-UNC connection is.
All definitely valid points, and that's probably my biggest concern as well. With that said, the fact that the Ingram isn't completely wrapped up to UNC by this point (i.e., there's a need to have 2 visits with Duke) and that none of the top 2016 kids from NC seem to be heavily leaning towards UNC at this point (if anything, Giles is rumored to be leaning towards us), suggests to me that UNC's not nearly the dominant in-state force that we've grown accustomed to over the years. As of even a couple years ago, a kid like Ingram would have already committed to UNC a long time ago and guys like Giles, Dennis Smith, etc. would all be getting close to pulling the trigger for UNC. The combination of the scandal, NCAA issues, and mediocre play on the court has clearly taken a toll on their recruiting.Originally posted by youngman42:
Landing players in NC is very tough for Duke. UNC and NCSU are very popular in the state. Much more so than Duke, generally speaking.Originally posted by stanleyduke:
To land a guy from Kinston that is UNC's top target would be one of the biggest recruiting upsets ever. Do not discount how strong the Kinston-UNC connection is.
And, esp. from Kinston. It would be a big coup.
Would also be great to the kid from W-S, Harry Giles, the next year.
I wonder how many young kids in North Carolina are Duke fans now and if the younger generations are going to start leaning more Duke rather than UNC and NC State as Duke has been the most successful in the past 18 years.Originally posted by LandofOzDevil:
FWIW Ingram, himself. is a Duke fan. Has been his entire life.
That's how I see it. Berry would be the biggest loser. And Britt might not even see scrub minutes. Ingram could get starter minutes in rotation with Jackson and Pinson, but might not start. Could start but, as you say, 2 guys that size (Jackson and Ingram) could be a bit unwieldy on D, especially since Roy doesn't like zone.Originally posted by aah555:
I have no idea which way this goes, and we'll be fine either way. With that said, while I fully recognize the significance of Ingram's local ties etc. to UNC and agree that those factors may eventually win out, I don't think UNC's recruiting problems are limited to the NCAA.
For starters, if Ingram does really view himself as OAD (which is the rationale for saying the NCAA issue doesn't matter), which school has proven far better in the OAD-era at putting its players in a position to declare for the NBA after one season? It's certainly not UNC. In fact, since the OAD era began in 06-07 with the new collectively bargaining agreement, UNC's amazingly only had one OAD player (Wright) despite recruiting at least 10 more very highly-regarded 5* guys who entered college with recruiting rankings that would suggest it could be a possibility. And, frankly, since the Henson class of 09, not only have none of UNC's 5* guys elevated their stock in college, but really only HB and McAdoo did enough in year 1 to even keep that option open after year 1. Indeed, for all the talk about Duke starting to recruit OADs, I'm sure it's been pointed out to Ingram that Jackson / Pinson entered college with nearly the same hype / NBA potential as Winslow and Jones.
Also, while there's no doubt he'd get minutes, I don't really see how Tokoto's departure suddenly clears up enough minutes to make him anything more than one of several wings in a UK-style platoon system. Let's not forget, they've already got two former top 10-15 recruits returning at the SF position and while, in theory, they could try to move Jackson or Ingram to the 2 -- that's a very tough position for either to play defensively + that would effectively require squeezing Joel Berry (let alone Nate Britt) out of the lineup. For Ingram to get anywhere near the minutes he'd get at Duke, both Berry and Pinson would effectively have to be relegated to 10 min. bit roles as sophs. and Nate Britt would need to start readying his transfer papers.
This is what The Chronicle had to say... Hopefully the latter is not the case..Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
So . . . why a final meeting with K followed by a final meeting with Roy? Why that order? Is it to find out about Thornton coming to Duke and then to tell Roy "no thanks"? Or could it be to find out about Thornton not coming to Duke and give K a chance to make his case before committing to Roy? Or some completely different reason?
At UNC, he would have to battle Jackson and Pinson for the 3 spot. Not sure where he "step in and play right away" comes from.Originally posted by dukiejay:
I'd be very surprised if Ingram didn't choose the Heels. I thought he was UNC-bound prior to Tokoto declaring....now I think it's almost a cinch he goes there. The family is huge UNC fans, BI was a huge Heels fan growing up, and he has to now see the opening for him to step in and play right away w/out Tokoto.
The only negative for UNC, IMO, is the pending NCAA allegations. But those won't come down before the end of next season....so Ingram is safe in that regard. Besides, he already flat out told us that if not for the scandal he would have committed to the Heels six or seven months ago. That kind of tells me everything I need to know.
Now, couple that with this kid being from Kingston and family friends of Jerry Stackhouse....well, let's just say this would be a huge Duke upset if Ingram did choose us, IMO. I hope we get him, but I'm about as convinced as I can be he's Heel on the 27th.
The latter seems very, very unlikely IMO. It would not only be a complete waste of the Duke coaching staff's time, but would be unnecessarily creating media drama around his decision at the expense of the Duke staff. While you never know with kids, the fact that Coach K appears to be making the visit leads me to believe that this is not the case. The fact of the second meeting could mean a whole host of things (e.g., he wants to finalize plans for Duke, he wanted to give Duke more time to figure out its PG plans, he was all set on UNC, and the Duke meeting gave him enough pause that he wanted to hear a bit more), but I think we're long past the days when recruits would invite coaches to their house to say no. I mean, seriously -- we live in a climate where most of these kids don't even deign to call 20 minutes before their press conference to give the losing coaches a heads-up.Originally posted by LetsGoDukies:
This is what The Chronicle had to say... Hopefully the latter is not the case..Originally posted by What Would Jesus Do?:
So . . . why a final meeting with K followed by a final meeting with Roy? Why that order? Is it to find out about Thornton coming to Duke and then to tell Roy "no thanks"? Or could it be to find out about Thornton not coming to Duke and give K a chance to make his case before committing to Roy? Or some completely different reason?
"This additional visit most likely means one of two things-either Duke is putting the full-court press on Ingram or the Kinston, N.C., native plans to let the Blue Devils down easy before committing to the Tar Heels the very next day."
source? all I've ever read or heard is that he was a Duke fan growing up.BI was a huge Heels fan growing up