Wow. You feeling ok Datt? This post is a real doozy, even by the low bar you’ve set for yourself.
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What does that have to do with what I said? The claim (not mine) is that 41% of the youth voters are okay with the CEO being murdered. Or something to that effect. My claim is that the left is a death cult. You respond to that by saying that we were bragging about how many youth voters the orange man got and now we were ready to deport them back to the left. I gave you a pretty solid example of why it would be easy to assume that of the 41% of the alleged youth voters who were okay with murder, were on the left and not part of the ones who voted for literal Hitler. Now, I am sure a small percentage of that 41% may have. And if so, then yes. I would like to see them deported to the left.
I am not happy with how insurance companies take advantage of suffering people, no. But I don't believe in answering evil with evil. I don't support murder. It would be a pretty terrible place if we just let random people decide who gets to live and who deserves to die. We all have our opinions on that, but we don't have a right to act on them. I don't think rapists and child abusers should be allowed to live. But I can't go executing them.
Great! We both agree with AOC then: murder bad, having a capitalist industry taking care of medical coverage ultimately prioritizes financial profits over people’s lives.
I’m afraid we’re going to disagree on who the death cult is, though. I’m thinking between 41% of youth (& just 22% of Dems — who, in your need to oversimplify things so that you can get your pea brain around it, qualify as “the left”) who think the assassination of ONE single CEO is justified and the vast majority of the GOP, conservatives, and “the right” who think we should let the market decide with healthcare and who are cool with people going bankrupt due to medical bills and dying because insurance won’t cover them as long as they profit, the death cult would be the latter.
This is just an awful take. What you're too dense to understand is there's the Dems, Republicans, and now there's MAGA. MAGA is exactly what it stands for. We aren't Republicans, and we've (I know I have) told you that we don't align with Republicans anymore. You're either on MAGA (Trump's) side, or you're against him. It's that simple, and true.
But, you'd have to get your head out of your ass to see it.
You have a warped view on so many things. So you are saying that the folks who don't want the government, who is responsible for billions if not trillions of dollars in waste to be in charge of healthcare, are part of a death cult for that? We're a part of a death cult because we can see that even with the flaws in capitalism, it is far more fair than socialism, especially when it comes to decisions about our own health. Do you think that the people on the right celebrate when someone goes through severe financial hardships due to their medical bills? Do you think we celebrate it when someone dies due to improper medical attention because of insurance companies refusing care? There's a big difference between collateral damage that is caused by flaws in a system and deliberate and celebrated murder. You probably think there would be less collateral damage if the government were in charge of healthcare. I believe it would be worse and there is not a bit of evidence to suggest otherwise. Can there be, should there be, reform in healthcare? Yes. Should insurance companies be held accountable for playing with lives for financial gains? Yes. Should politicians who take kickbacks from insurance companies be ousted? Yes. Should we murder fathers for being in the occupation that they are in, even if they are taking advantage of a system. No.
You're off to a good start this morning. Going to be a good day for you. I can feel it.
You criticize the system. All. The. Time. You don’t seem to like it here, so if that’s the case, leave.
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The funny thing is, socialist democrats or just people with socialist views in general hate capitalism because of its biggest benefits, not its biggest flaws. They really want the government to be lord.
It's hard to understand how Diddlier presents himself as so intelligent but is soooo f'n dumb. It's impressive really, in a very sad way.
For you @Dattier. This is what I’ve been trying to tell you.
Welcome to the table Stephen. Better late than never.
When either of you or any other conservative here wants to put aside name-calling and finger-pointing and throwing gotcha examples out there at every opportunity, let me know.
The last thing you said to me before my last comment, ghost, was that my side wants the govt to be the lord. GTMLO of here with that crap.
The last thing you said to that point, mac, was basically for me to love it or leave it, that tired, simplistic dismissal from 60 years ago. GTMLO of here with that crap.
How do we solve anything?
I feel like I have made a better effort at conversating with you without the insults lately, than the other way around. You refuse to stay on topic and continue to pivot to where you think you have the advantage. It's whatever. And yes, your side wants the government to be lord.
Well first off, after admitting Trump won, you quickly have gone back to your usual ways. When you’re given an example, and Stephen A Smith is just one of several left leaning talking heads that are admitting now what we’ve been saying, your response is calling it a “gotcha” example. Would you prefer it to be Sean Hannity?
And we can’t solve anything because you aren’t serious about it. Saying you want to solve anything is nothing more than word salad.
I've noticed and I appreciate it. It's a small sample size still. I think I've put in considerable effort, as well. Keep in mind that even if you're playing nice, mac and kd and that other guy rarely are, so you're only having to deal with one person. If you've been collateral damage in the mud-slinging they insist on, sorry. It happens.
I reject the notion that my side wants the govt as some separate entity to lord over everything. If that's true, than your side wants corporations to lord over everything. I think my side sees govt -- at its best and at its greatest potential -- as an extension of us, the people, and therefore the best tool for getting things done. How would you reframe the idea that your side worships corporations?
(If ^that's a "pivot," by the way, it's not some nefarious, sinister trick; it's a natural flow to conversation.)
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You post a video of Stephen A Smith's unhinged ranting, then accuse ME of using a word salad and not being serious. 🤣
He's repeating or insinuating the same debunked claims about January 6th that you've been claiming for years. The 26 CIs did not start, lead, or otherwise cause the riot. Those that broke the law did not do so on the FBI's orders and were in fact told not to break any laws. He even has the numbers wrong: Of the 26, 4 entered the Capitol, 13 entered the restricted area outside, and 9 did not enter any area they shouldn't have been. Based on others who were prosecuted, only the 4 who entered the Capitol deserve even a second look. I don't know why they weren't charged or what % of people who did enter the Capitol were charged. And I've already told you all of this, yet here you are still pushing the same crap.
You said a few days ago that sometimes the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is 6 months (or something like that). I concede that yes, sometimes people are onto something early. Would you also concede that sometimes you can repeat a lie so often that people start believing it? I bet you can't admit even that, and that -- along with your continuing to do what I have underlined above -- is why you are not a serious person who has any credibility when claiming to be above party politics, or an independent thinker, or any ability to self-reflect, or anything other than extremist hyperbole.
Another I’m a victim post from a befuddled Leftist. Then the cherry on top: Govt is the best tool for getting things done.
No response is further needed. Your posts say it all.
Liar. Here's what I said: "...my side sees govt -- at its best and at its greatest potential -- as an extension of us, the people, and therefore the best tool for getting things done."
You're intellectually dishonest and cowardly for deliberately taking what I said out of context. You outnumber me here everybody to one, yet you're still too much of a chicken manure coward to engage with any integrity.
You take the Feds at their word? Of course they’re going to deny culpability. Jan 6 is a sacred day for the Left, and its sanctity will be protected at all costs even if Wray has to perjure himself. Same goes for his underlings
Yes, I’m a coward for quoting your drivel verbatim. I left out the word therefore It changed the meaning a smidge but not significantly You sure do throw that word coward around a lot?
Is that not name calling? I appreciate Ghost’s patience when dealing with your crazy a—, but like my ex told me in college: “ I ain’t the one hun”
You wonder why you're called names. You're a clown Datt. I didn't tell Stephen A Smith to change his mind. Nor did I tell Chris Cuomo. Two guys who have spent years championing for the left. The one thing they both now share in common is they aren't tied to the corporate media. But, instead of being open that the information you're getting may be wrong, you do what you do best: you try discrediting the messenger.
I've told you from day one that Jan 6th wasn't all what we were told. Stephen A, to his credit, has kept an open mind. Facts keep hitting him in the head, so now he's saying I'VE BEEN LIED TO FOR A LONG TIME. ABOUT A LOT!
Well, if you look at the left's general willingness to comply with every mandate or order that the government implements, and the way they conform to every social change almost seamlessly when it originates from the progressives and the weird trust that they have in the government, that seems to be who they worship ahead of any God.
I don't think the right worships corporations. I think the right understands that corporations create far more jobs and disturbes more wealth than the government. The flaws in corporations are greed and big fish eat little fish monopolies. But if you replace corporate greed with government greed, the government steals from you twice as much in that scenario. At least with capitalism, the small fish at least has the opportunity to become a big fish. With the socialism, the only big fish is the government while the rest of us are just fish in a tank waiting for the government to sprinkle some flakes for us all to fight over.
Don't talk to me about discrediting the messenger when you discredit ALL of msm 100% and suck at the teat of anyone who says something you like 100%. You've now brought up Stephen A Smith at least 3 times like he's suddenly speaking the Gospel.
Geez, I've pointed out tirelessly how conservative, professional historians rank President Biden in the middle of the pack as far as US President's go (way higher than I'd rank him, personally) and all you do is double-down on how anyone who even questions that he is the worst ever by far is 100% stupid, evil, corrupt, crazy, and lying. Worse than Presidents Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, WH Harrison, Warren Harding, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, Millard Fillmore, and Franklin Pierce. If anyone says he's even close to overtaking the second-worst, they're 100% stupid, evil, corrupt, crazy, and lying.
See my parenthetical in the last paragraph? That's evidence right there that even for a President I'm not crazy about I can separate my personal opinion enough to hear objective expertise. You can't accept any slight difference of opinion without completely trashing that person's character. And you have the ignorant, blind audacity to claim you are the one above party politics after parroting nothing but rightwing talking points for years.
The American people know his admin was a fraud and his approval ratings reflect that.
No one cares what a bunch of Ivory tower professors think.
National security mtgs were canceled when Ol Joe was having a “ bad day” due to his worsening dementia And he was in the “middle of the pack”. Gotcha
In bold, hyperbole I will otherwise let slide for now. I will acknowledge that the right professes (professes) worshipping the Christian version of God more than the left, on average.
"corporations create far more jobs and disturbes more wealth than the government" Framed like that, I can at least respect where you're coming from. I disagree that they distribute wealth, though, since the Reagan years, at least. Look at the income divide. Look at how corporations prioritize shareholder interests over employees' and clients' interests.
Corporate greed and govt greed are intertwined. Look at how many elected officials get rich during or after their time in office. Look at campaign contributions. Since the horrible Citizens United ruling, if not earlier, corporations have basically bought govt. So their flaws are intertwined. I submit that many of the things conservatives hate about govt are directly related to things they turn a blind eye to when it comes to corporations and private industry. And liberals hate those things, too.
Who do you think is supposed to regulate corporate greed, monopolies, and the continuing consolidation of wealth and resources in fewer and fewer hands? It ain't the free market, because however much I hate Walmart, they're the only game in town, so there's really nothing free about it anymore. The govt is doing a terrible job at regulating corp greed because they're bought, but the concept of govt remains the only viable solution. Doesn't this fit the whole "drain the swamp" thing y'all claim to like?
Here's a line I heard somewhere recently: Most of us are 3 really terrible, unfortunate months away from being bankrupt and homeless. None of us is 3 great, lucky months away from being billionaires. Unlike human and civil rights, resources are like pie. There is a finite amount of money. The more some have, the less others have; this is inherently true of unregulated, pure capitalism. So no, the little fish have very little chance of rising under our current economic system. Again, look at how the income divide continues to grow. (Like, you literally cannot pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. That would be like using one of your own hands to lift yourself off the ground.)
And the image of little fish waiting for someone to sprinkle a few flakes their way... What's the difference between the sprinkles coming from govt or coming from billionaires if whichever one is still sprinkling it just as sparsely? Again, they're currently pretty inseparable. Wouldn't it be better to have more power in the hands of the little fish to begin with?
So in the end, you and I are going to have very similar dislikes about the current state of economic classes. But we are miles apart on who to trust more. You say that there is no chance of the little fish rising in the current environment. But there are thousands of examples of that not being true. You want power to be in the hands of the little fish, but believe that trading corporate power for more government power would actually do this? That's laughable. As far as where the flakes are coming from. I don't think that you need to rely on sprinkles from billionaires. You need to rely on building something on your own and creating your own opportunities. Billionaires owe you nothing. The government takes from you in the guise of being your servant.
I 100% agree with you about politicians being bought. I have little faith that we can do anything about that but would love to see some actions that hold them accountable. Dan Crenshaw is currently whining and bitching about being called out for trading stocks and parroting the call for a $70,000/yr raise for Congress. He absolutely lost his shit over the call for a ban on stock trading for members of Congress. Because they are all doing what they would put you in jail for doing. They are misleading shareholders to hold onto to their stocks while trading theirs away before losses. It's the very corruption that needs to end. That and like you have said, special interest groups and influencers. The medical and pharmaceutical industry is a huge culprit in buying politicians. But you think that we can trust these same politicians to put together a fair and efficient healthcare system?
At the end of the day, we are going to agree on the flaws in the current system. But we don't agree with the solutions. I hate to sound like a status quo guy, but until we have a government run by people who serve the people, it's the better option right now.
This is the only part that I feel is worthy of a response. There's a reason I discredit msm. They are the ones on the "teat" as you say, and they lie like a rug. The reason Stephen A Smith is brought up is he was aligned WITH YOU less than a year ago. But, he's done what we did 8 years ago. Which is stop believing what we're told, and think for ourselves. He used to laugh at the people on the right, just like you do now. But, unlike you, Stephen A was willing to listen to the other side, and over time, saw that they were proven correct.
I have never taken Stephen A Smith seriously even wrt sports. He's a blustery, performative hack.
You discredit every single bit of msm -- 100% -- sight unseen. I admit repeatedly that they are flawed and compromised, but you discredit e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g regardless of how well sourced it is. Then you take as Gospel rants like this and every crackpot w/ a podcast.
Yeah, yeah, thousands of examples. I was being hyperbolic for the sake of expedience. There's very little chance for little fish to rise much. Most of us who rise do so just enough to move into a better adjacent school district. It's not nothing, but it's not much. Since the Boomers, every subsequent generation is doing worse.
The alternative to relying on govt sprinkles is relying on corporate/wealthy sprinkles. You oversimplified and so did I. Again, it's for the sake of expedience.
It's the billionaires who are taking from us. Nobody works 10,000 times harder than anyone else. Nobody actually earns a billion dollars. When you're that rich, your money works for you. You're making passive income without doing a thing. And when it comes to resources and money, the total amount is finite, so one person having that much is absolutely taking it from someone else.
Currently, billionaires get to turn around and buy the govt, then further rig it to benefit themselves at our expense. They should owe a far greater debt than they are currently paying to a system that protects their right to earn so much more. They owe it to the system to make the same opportunities available to others, but instead the income gap continues to grow.
So it seems we agree on a lot of the problems. We also seem to agree that the link between politicians and big money harms all the little fish. I tend to think we have a better chance at voting out politicians who aren't serving our interests than we do letting the free market decide. I trust the democratic process more than I trust capitalism.
Flawed is too nice when describing msm. Everyone has flaws. Even though you don't show it here, it's interesting that you say they are compromised.
I don't trust someone that's compromised.
