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[GhostOf301]

Great examples. Here’s what I see: people on the right hailing Daniel Penny as a hero and Neely as a dog that needed to be put down. And people on the right treating Bryan Thompson as a hero whose very work ties in with Neely’s untreated illness.

I also see people on the right congratulating George Floyd on 4 years of sobriety.

IOW, people on both sides of the aisle make light of deaths and celebrate violence. Don’t pretend it’s only the other side.

You seem to have taken offense to what I said and are casting unreasonable anger my way. Without responding to the topic, I might add. Further proves my point that you wouldn't like the tone of how the CEO'S execution would have been brought up here. So it was weird for you to comment on the drones being brought up instead of the CEO. Without commenting on the drones. You're a control freak that wants every conversation to be had in the manner of your choosing.

I wouldn't call Neely a dog that needed to be put down. I would call him a threat to society who had a history of being violent against innocent people, mainly women. Though his mental illness was the contributing factor, it doesn't take away the fact that he was no innocent victim of a hate crime like the loons on the left want everyone to believe. Penny could very well have saved an innocent woman of being a victim of Neely's violence. And who knows how that would have ended for her. So he's a lot closer to being a hero than the guy who executed a father in cold blood. The left always chooses the wrong heroes.

 

[Another#1Dukie]

You seem to have taken offense to what I said and are casting unreasonable anger my way. Without responding to the topic, I might add. Further proves my point that you wouldn't like the tone of how the CEO'S execution would have been brought up here. So it was weird for you to comment on the drones being brought up instead of the CEO. Without commenting on the drones. You're a control freak that wants every conversation to be had in the manner of your choosing.

I wouldn't call Neely a dog that needed to be put down. I would call him a threat to society who had a history of being violent against innocent people, mainly women. Though his mental illness was the contributing factor, it doesn't take away the fact that he was no innocent victim of a hate crime like the loons on the left want everyone to believe. Penny could very well have saved an innocent woman of being a victim of Neely's violence. And who knows how that would have ended for her. So he's a lot closer to being a hero than the guy who executed a father in cold blood. The left always chooses the wrong heroes.

Well said Ghost! I've also not seen anyone right leaning get on TV and say the felt "JOY" b/c Jordan Neely was dead. I saw that very thing from the lefty Taylor Lorenz. It was disgusting and she said it on Pierce Morgan's show for everyone to hear.

 

[KDSTONE]

You seem to have taken offense to what I said and are casting unreasonable anger my way. Without responding to the topic, I might add. Further proves my point that you wouldn't like the tone of how the CEO'S execution would have been brought up here. So it was weird for you to comment on the drones being brought up instead of the CEO. Without commenting on the drones. You're a control freak that wants every conversation to be had in the manner of your choosing.

I wouldn't call Neely a dog that needed to be put down. I would call him a threat to society who had a history of being violent against innocent people, mainly women. Though his mental illness was the contributing factor, it doesn't take away the fact that he was no innocent victim of a hate crime like the loons on the left want everyone to believe. Penny could very well have saved an innocent woman of being a victim of Neely's violence. And who knows how that would have ended for her. So he's a lot closer to being a hero than the guy who executed a father in cold blood. The left always chooses the wrong heroes.

If the verdict had come in before Nov 5 the Left would have probably pushed harder for another Michael Brown type fiasco with the riots and looting and whatnot, but I don’t think the public at large is as gullible as in the past. Been burned too many times: Brawley, Duke Lx, Emory fake slur scandal, Most of the BLM deaths excluding Floyd. So desperate to push their ‘ White People Bad, Black People Good’ lunacy that they literally have to just make sh- up

 

[GhostOf301]

Well said Ghost! I've also not seen anyone right leaning get on TV and say the felt "JOY" b/c Jordan Neely was dead. I saw that very thing from the lefty Taylor Lorenz. It was disgusting and she said it on Pierce Morgan's show for everyone to hear.

It is disgusting. They are a death cult. They're everything, but worse, that they accuse the right of being. They will defend the lowest of human waste if it fits a narrative, but then find positivity in the death of an innocent person because of the job title they hold. In a world where we are all hypocrites, they are the biggest and most vile hypocrites of us all.

 

[GhostOf301]

If the verdict had come in before Nov 5 the Left would have probably pushed harder for another Michael Brown type fiasco with the riots and looting and whatnot, but I don’t think the public at large is as gullible as in the past. Been burned too many times: Brawley, Duke Lx, Emory fake slur scandal, Most of the BLM deaths excluding Floyd. So desperate to push their ‘ White People Bad, Black People Good’ lunacy that they literally have to just make sh- up

Did you hear the NYC BLM leader after the verdict? He definitely pushed for some "demonstrations" and said that it was time for black vigilantes to do the same thing to (insinuating) white people that Penny did to Neely.

 

[Mac9192]

As msm is losing viewers to social media, fewer are biting on the garbage they're spewing. Rachel Maddow has lost over a million viewers, left wingers like Van Jones, Bill Maher, and several others, are admitting that the public aren't watching them anymore. Joe Rogan is mopping the floor with them.

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

We all know the corruption in DC has been there, but now the outlets covering the stories are bigger than the liars that have been squashing the stories.

 

[Another#1Dukie]

As msm is losing viewers to social media, fewer are biting on the garbage they're spewing. Rachel Maddow has lost over a million viewers, left wingers like Van Jones, Bill Maher, and several others, are admitting that the public aren't watching them anymore. Joe Rogan is mopping the floor with them.

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

We all know the corruption in DC has been there, but now the outlets covering the stories are bigger than the liars that have been squashing the stories.

Just another right wing conspiracy theory confirmed to be factual. LMFAO.. Even Stephen A. is starting to call the left wing idiots out.

 

[GhostOf301]

It's all a grift with these lefties attempting to apply logic to thought. They're doing nothing but clinging to whatever relevance they ever had. Don't give them any credit for coming around.

 

[Dattier]

You seem to have taken offense to what I said and are casting unreasonable anger my way. Without responding to the topic, I might add. Further proves my point that you wouldn't like the tone of how the CEO'S execution would have been brought up here. So it was weird for you to comment on the drones being brought up instead of the CEO. Without commenting on the drones. You're a control freak that wants every conversation to be had in the manner of your choosing.

I wouldn't call Neely a dog that needed to be put down. I would call him a threat to society who had a history of being violent against innocent people, mainly women. Though his mental illness was the contributing factor, it doesn't take away the fact that he was no innocent victim of a hate crime like the loons on the left want everyone to believe. Penny could very well have saved an innocent woman of being a victim of Neely's violence. And who knows how that would have ended for her. So he's a lot closer to being a hero than the guy who executed a father in cold blood. The left always chooses the wrong heroes.

I didn't think my response was particularly angry or offended. And calling the only regular liberal a control freak when he wades into this conservative hootenanny is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know anything about the drones. I hadn't heard about it at all until I saw it mentioned here.

If we value different things, we're going to choose different heroes.

The late Brian Thompson was being sued for insider trading and drew strong criticism for instituting policies to deny health insurance claims for the sake of shareholders. He cared more about shareholders than he did about the health of the people who used his company for coverage. That's what's called "soft violence." Look it up. Someone needs a life-saving medical procedure and you deny it, you're essentially killing them. Politicians and corporations commit violence all the time with the stroke of a pen. Hardly an innocent.

 

[GhostOf301]

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

The informants were part of the group that Wray refused to answer for why there were people on video going into the Capitol who were not publicly identified or arrested. Including the one who broke the window just before the Capitol police were told to leave that area. Sad thing is, the Trump supporters who tried to get him arrested for breaking the window were probably arrested themselves.

 

[Dattier]

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

What about them? If you're claiming they led the insurrection or encouraged others to riot or that they planned it, you are lying.

 

[Dattier]

It is disgusting. They are a death cult. They're everything, but worse, that they accuse the right of being. They will defend the lowest of human waste if it fits a narrative, but then find positivity in the death of an innocent person because of the job title they hold. In a world where we are all hypocrites, they are the biggest and most vile hypocrites of us all.

So you're a hypocrite, too... bu-bu-bu-but not as bad as them! 🤣

How is it any different from y'all hating teachers because of our job titles or defending Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, Derek Chauvin, Andrew Tate, and a 34-time felon and sex offender?

 

[Dattier]

If the verdict had come in before Nov 5 the Left would have probably

And just like that, you spoke it into existence to get all whipped into a frenzy over.

 

[Dattier]

Did you hear the NYC BLM leader after the verdict? He definitely pushed for some "demonstrations" and said that it was time for black vigilantes to do the same thing to (insinuating) white people that Penny did to Neely.

The only time the NRA has ever supported gun control was when the Black Panthers started exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[GhostOf301]

I didn't think my response was particularly angry or offended. And calling the only regular liberal a control freak when he wades into this conservative hootenanny is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know anything about the drones. I hadn't heard about it at all until I saw it mentioned here.

If we value different things, we're going to choose different heroes.

The late Brian Thompson was being sued for insider trading and drew strong criticism for instituting policies to deny health insurance claims for the sake of shareholders. He cared more about shareholders than he did about the health of the people who used his company for coverage. That's what's called "soft violence." Look it up. Someone needs a life-saving medical procedure and you deny it, you're essentially killing them. Politicians and corporations commit violence all the time with the stroke of a pen. Hardly an innocent.

I have no love for insurance companies or the people who get rich off other people's suffering. That doesn't mean that I support someone's decision to murder them. I do, however, understand the desire to if you were someone directly affected by their wrongdoing. I would have rather seen that man held accountable by the law and have his actions be exposed without the privilege of being a victim. I must say, I know the left doesn't believe in slippery slopes. But there is a laundry list of reasons to support the killers and justify their actions if we want to blame the victims. There's a difference between being innocent according to the law and being an innocent victim of murder.

 

[KDSTONE]

As msm is losing viewers to social media, fewer are biting on the garbage they're spewing. Rachel Maddow has lost over a million viewers, left wingers like Van Jones, Bill Maher, and several others, are admitting that the public aren't watching them anymore. Joe Rogan is mopping the floor with them.

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

We all know the corruption in DC has been there, but now the outlets covering the stories are bigger than the liars that have been squashing the stories.

Some have called it Trump Detachment Syndrome. His election is too horrific to deal with so the Left has turned off the news entirely. Supposedly, they’re volunteering with local Big Brothers, planting trees, and picking up trash and the like. I’d wager a good many are sitting around smoking dope and listening to their old emo records
Re: the Jan 6 infiltration by the FBI, yet another conspiracy theory is turning into reality

 

[GhostOf301]

The only time the NRA has ever supported gun control was when the Black Panthers started exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

Thank you for this tidbit of history. I do not support the NRA. Anything else?

 

[KDSTONE]

I didn't think my response was particularly angry or offended. And calling the only regular liberal a control freak when he wades into this conservative hootenanny is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know anything about the drones. I hadn't heard about it at all until I saw it mentioned here.

If we value different things, we're going to choose different heroes.

The late Brian Thompson was being sued for insider trading and drew strong criticism for instituting policies to deny health insurance claims for the sake of shareholders. He cared more about shareholders than he did about the health of the people who used his company for coverage. That's what's called "soft violence." Look it up. Someone needs a life-saving medical procedure and you deny it, you're essentially killing them. Politicians and corporations commit violence all the time with the stroke of a pen. Hardly an innocent.

“I don’t know anything about the drones”. Been all over the news for days.
An admission that you get your news from a college basketball message board.
Why do we respond to this cat again?

 

[GhostOf301]

So you're a hypocrite, too... bu-bu-bu-but not as bad as them! 🤣

How is it any different from y'all hating teachers because of our job titles or defending Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, Derek Chauvin, Andrew Tate, and a 34-time felon and sex offender?

This is an odd post.

 

[KDSTONE]

“Hardly an innocent”. And there it is. You ARE in the Murder is wrong BUT camp.
Knew it

 

[KDSTONE]

“Hardly an innocent”. And there it is. You ARE in the Murder is wrong BUT camp.
Knew it

If anyone dared say George Floyd was anything but a saint, that person was immediately vilified and yet you impugn this victim’s character without batting an eye. Predictable double standard, the stock in trade of a befuddled Leftist

 

[GhostOf301]

If anyone dared say George Floyd was anything but a saint, that person was immediately vilified and yet you impugn this victim’s character without batting an eye. Predictable double standard, the stock in trade of a befuddled Leftist

Or God forbid we celebrate his 4 1/2 years of sobriety. Lol

 

[Mac9192]

What about them? If you're claiming they led the insurrection or encouraged others to riot or that they planned it, you are lying.

Read this slowly Datt: I have always said Trump supporters were in the wrong. Personally, I think this was a huge mistake by Trump to have held the rally there. But, I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.

 

[GhostOf301]

What about them? If you're claiming they led the insurrection or encouraged others to riot or that they planned it, you are lying.

He would be lying if he said that they led the insurrection. Because there was never anything close to an insurrection to begin with. This is made obvious by the fact that not a single person was charged for being an insurrectionist.

 

[GhostOf301]

Read this slowly Datt: I have always said Trump supporters were in the wrong. Personally, I think this was a huge mistake by Trump to have held the rally there. But, I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.

Yes. Everyone who was involved in violence and who disrupted Congress on January 6th was in the wrong. Including and especially the people put there by the FBI.

 

[Dattier]

I have no love for insurance companies or the people who get rich off other people's suffering. That doesn't mean that I support someone's decision to murder them. I do, however, understand the desire to if you were someone directly affected by their wrongdoing. I would have rather seen that man held accountable by the law and have his actions be exposed without the privilege of being a victim. I must say, I know the left doesn't believe in slippery slopes. But there is a laundry list of reasons to support the killers and justify their actions if we want to blame the victims. There's a difference between being innocent according to the law and being an innocent victim of murder.

Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.

 

[Dattier]

This is an odd post.

The right hates people for their job titles and champion lowlifes, too, just like you claim the left does.

 

[Dattier]

Thank you for this tidbit of history. I do not support the NRA. Anything else?

The NYC BLM leader you paraphrased is advocating for the same kind of vigilantism you're cool w/ when it comes from Daniel Penny.

 

[Dattier]

“Hardly an innocent”. And there it is. You ARE in the Murder is wrong BUT camp.
Knew it

Just like @GhostOf301

If anyone dared say George Floyd was anything but a saint, that person was immediately vilified and yet you impugn this victim’s character without batting an eye. Predictable double standard, the stock in trade of a befuddled Leftist

The right has made light of George Floyd's death and brought up every victim's imperfections for years. Trayvon Martin shouldn't have approached George Zimmerman; the people around Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have spooked him; Eric Garner was lying about not being able to breathe and died due to preexisting conditions; Botham Jean shouldn't have been high in his own apartment when a Dallas police officer walked into the wrong apt and shot him. And on and on and on.

But a CEO who is indirectly responsible for who knows how many hundreds or thousands of deaths gets a pass.

The double-standard is that only your side is allowed to have a double-standard.

 

[Dattier]

“I don’t know anything about the drones”. Been all over the news for days.
An admission that you get your news from a college basketball message board.
Why do we respond to this cat again?

I learned Michael Jackson died when I overheard kids playing frisbee on Duke East mention it. Does that mean I get my news from teenaged nerds?

 

[Dattier]

I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.

Yes. Yes, I would like you to explain why they were there. Thanks in advance.

 

[Dattier]

Yes. Everyone who was involved in violence and who disrupted Congress on January 6th was in the wrong. Including and especially the people put there by the FBI.

Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

 

[Mac9192]

Yes. Yes, I would like you to explain why they were there. Thanks in advance.

Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.

 

[Dattier]

They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.

What has been proven? If they were instructed to enter the Capitol, how come only 4 of them did? Out of more than 2000 total people who entered the Capitol, only 4 FBI CIs did. Where are you getting this info from, that their purpose was to make Trump supporters look bad? How many people were at the rally total? How did 26 FBI CIs -- only 4 of whom entered the Capitol and only 13 more who breached the outside barricade -- how did they make Trump supporters look so bad?

 

[GhostOf301]

The NYC BLM leader you paraphrased is advocating for the same kind of vigilantism you're cool w/ when it comes from Daniel Penny.

What Daniel Penny did was not vigilantism. He stepped in and protected the public from a deranged, violent threat. He was morally correct in what he did.

 

[GhostOf301]

Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

Why especially? Because they were sent by a federal agency that is supposed to be protecting Americans to stir up the crowd in order to create the maximum optical effect. If they weren't doing what they were told, then why weren't they arrested like everyone else that did the same thing? You can choose to trust the FBI, but they keep giving you reason after reason not to.

 

[GhostOf301]

Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.

In your bolded part that you responded to, you purposefully left out an important part of my statement.

 

[Mac9192]

What has been proven? If they were instructed to enter the Capitol, how come only 4 of them did? Out of more than 2000 total people who entered the Capitol, only 4 FBI CIs did. Where are you getting this info from, that their purpose was to make Trump supporters look bad? How many people were at the rally total? How did 26 FBI CIs -- only 4 of whom entered the Capitol and only 13 more who breached the outside barricade -- how did they make Trump supporters look so bad?

Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

 

[Dattier]

What Daniel Penny did was not vigilantism. He stepped in and protected the public from a deranged, violent threat. He was morally correct in what he did.

He did not have the legal authority to impose consequences. That's the very definition of vigilantism. What you're saying is that some vigilantism is acceptable and I'll concede that, as well.

Why especially? Because they were sent by a federal agency that is supposed to be protecting Americans to stir up the crowd in order to create the maximum optical effect. If they weren't doing what they were told, then why weren't they arrested like everyone else that did the same thing? You can choose to trust the FBI, but they keep giving you reason after reason not to.

The 26 of them were sent in to stir up a crowd of several thousands? According to whom? That's not what the Inspector General's report said. The 13 people who "only" breached the barricades outside were not charged, just like 100s of others who "only" breached the barricades outside. I don't have the answer as to why the 4 who entered the Capitol were not charged. Was everyone else who entered the Capitol charged?

In your bolded part that you responded to, you purposefully left out an important part of my statement.

The conditions around your understanding why someone would want to kill a CEO? That part? I purposefully left it out, yes, but because I didn't really think it was that important. Regardless, you're saying murder is wrong... but you understand why some would feel the urge. Which is exactly what AOC said, and exactly what @KDSTONE is wagging his jowls at me about.

 

[KDSTONE]

Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

Very telling and also pretty much a given at this point. A broken clock is right more often.
Typical liberal backtracking: At first it’s: The FBI didn’t take part in Jan 6. Anyone who thinks that is a conspiracy nut.
A few years later: Well, the FBI may have been there, but they weren’t leading the “insurrection”. A couple years from now: Well, the FBI may have led the insurrection but that’s not as bad as that time that Trump…….