The New Lounge

[Dattier]

Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

I am far, far, far more correct than you are.

We've "pounded" you because you believe ridiculous, false things, like the election's having been stolen and antifa having set up the insurrection. Now you're citing the Inspector General's report as evidence of something it specifically says did not happen.

MSM has a lot of problems. We've discussed them pretty cordially recently. The solution to what's wrong w/ MSM is not to replace them w/ news you like better that is no less biased and far less credible. You're acting like truth and power are the same thing and should be the same thing.

 

[Dattier]

Very telling and also pretty much a given at this point. A broken clock is right more often.
Typical liberal backtracking: At first it’s: The FBI didn’t take part in Jan 6. Anyone who thinks that is a conspiracy nut.
A few years later: Well, the FBI may have been there, but they weren’t leading the “insurrection”. A couple years from now: Well, the FBI may have led the insurrection but that’s not as bad as that time that Trump…….

Did everyone who entered the Capitol get charged? Or were there some people who followed others in, but weren't charged because they (wait for it...) didn't take part in the looting and destruction?

The FBI didn't "take part." There were 26 non-payroll CIs on site, instructed not to participate in criminal behavior. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that nearly every political demonstration in DC of thousands of people has a few undercover whatevers among them. Their mere presence is a nothingburger.

And in the bold, you're again speaking something into existence to get all riled up about. Didn't happen.

 

[Mac9192]

I am far, far, far more correct than you are.

We've "pounded" you because you believe ridiculous, false things, like the election's having been stolen and antifa having set up the insurrection. Now you're citing the Inspector General's report as evidence of something it specifically says did not happen.

MSM has a lot of problems. We've discussed them pretty cordially recently. The solution to what's wrong w/ MSM is not to replace them w/ news you like better that is no less biased and far less credible. You're acting like truth and power are the same thing and should be the same thing.

I said Biden wasn't fit from day 1. FACT
I said Kamala was even worse than Biden. FACT
I said that there were a lot more to Jan 6 than we were told. FACT
I said the msm has been corrupt for a long time. FACT
I said Covid, though real, was a planned virus meant to wreak intentional havoc. FACT

**This one hasn't been proven yet, but it will one day** In Obama's two wins, the most votes he got was 69 million, yet we are supposed to believe that an old man whose mind was already failing, got 81 million. Biden couldn't even fill up a high school gym with supporters.

You still argue every one of these that I mentioned.

I don't claim to be a smart guy. But with our current state of affairs, I run circles around you. Why? Because I quit playing party politics years ago. You haven't.

 

[GhostOf301]

He did not have the legal authority to impose consequences. That's the very definition of vigilantism. What you're saying is that some vigilantism is acceptable and I'll concede that, as well.

He was not acting from a place of authority in order to punish Neely. He was acting as a good Samaritan in order to protect the woman/people who Neely was threatening to kill. A good Samaritan, not a vigilante. Vigilantes search for situations to insert themselves into. I seriously doubt that Penny was looking for someone to hurt that day.

 

[Dattier]

He was not acting from a place of authority in order to punish Neely. He was acting as a good Samaritan in order to protect the woman/people who Neely was threatening to kill. A good Samaritan, not a vigilante. Vigilantes search for situations to insert themselves into. I seriously doubt that Penny was looking for someone to hurt that day.

I'm not interested in arguing about the textbook definition of what a vigilante is.

 

[Dattier]

I said Biden wasn't fit from day 1. FACT
I said Kamala was even worse than Biden. FACT
I said that there were a lot more to Jan 6 than we were told. FACT
I said the msm has been corrupt for a long time. FACT
I said Covid, though real, was a planned virus meant to wreak intentional havoc. FACT

**This one hasn't been proven yet, but it will one day** In Obama's two wins, the most votes he got was 69 million, yet we are supposed to believe that an old man whose mind was already failing, got 81 million. Biden couldn't even fill up a high school gym with supporters.

You still argue every one of these that I mentioned.

I don't claim to be a smart guy. But with our current state of affairs, I run circles around you. Why? Because I quit playing party politics years ago. You haven't.

* President Biden was and is more fit than you've ever accepted, which is not difficult because you buried the bar underground.
* VP Harris was a far better candidate for 2024.
* There's nothing of significance about January 6th that changes it from anything but a 100% embarrassment for Trump supporters. The Inspector General's report confirms this.
* MSM is compromised, not necessarily corrupt, and they're still world's more credible than the junk you cite.
* There is no evidence that Covid was deliberately released.
* Voter turnout was considerably higher in 2020 due to the broader use of absentee and mail-in ballots. And it was during a pandemic that had most of us locked down to some degree, so all kinds of obstacles and distractions that usually exist didn't. There was also a very strong anti-Trump voting block in 2020; it didn't matter who was running against him.

Everything you stated was an opinion. Not facts. Opinions. Of my responses, #1, 2, and 4 are opinions that I own and stand by. #3, 5, and 6 are rooted in facts and logic. Yeah, I'm not conceding a single one of them as written, but you're so unhinged you don't actually know what I, personally, have argued from day 1, so screw your "still argue."

The first bits of evidence that you're not a smart guy are your extremist hyperbole and loose grasp of what words mean. Calling those statements facts is an obvious example. And the only way you aren't playing party politics is that party politics are actually playing you. You regurgitate every distortion and misinformation nugget you gobble down from the rightwing conspiracy theorists you think are doing real journalism.

 

[GhostOf301]

I'm not interested in arguing about the textbook definition of what a vigilante is.

Well, this is a cop out. You don't need the textbook definition of what a vigilante is. Because you are falsely applying the word where it doesn't apply. He had legal authority to intervene in a situation in order to protect someone from a current threat. Vigilantes do not have legal authority to take the law into their own hands. This is not a case of vigilantism. Wouldn't expect you to agree, because you are on the left (A.K.A. wrong) side of every issue like this.

 

[KDSTONE]

* President Biden was and is more fit than you've ever accepted, which is not difficult because you buried the bar underground.
* VP Harris was a far better candidate for 2024.
* There's nothing of significance about January 6th that changes it from anything but a 100% embarrassment for Trump supporters. The Inspector General's report confirms this.
* MSM is compromised, not necessarily corrupt, and they're still world's more credible than the junk you cite.
* There is no evidence that Covid was deliberately released.
* Voter turnout was considerably higher in 2020 due to the broader use of absentee and mail-in ballots. And it was during a pandemic that had most of us locked down to some degree, so all kinds of obstacles and distractions that usually exist didn't. There was also a very strong anti-Trump voting block in 2020; it didn't matter who was running against him.

Everything you stated was an opinion. Not facts. Opinions. Of my responses, #1, 2, and 4 are opinions that I own and stand by. #3, 5, and 6 are rooted in facts and logic. Yeah, I'm not conceding a single one of them as written, but you're so unhinged you don't actually know what I, personally, have argued from day 1, so screw your "still argue."

The first bits of evidence that you're not a smart guy are your extremist hyperbole and loose grasp of what words mean. Calling those statements facts is an obvious example. And the only way you aren't playing party politics is that party politics are actually playing you. You regurgitate every distortion and misinformation nugget you gobble down from the rightwing conspiracy theorists you think are doing real journalism.

“Loose grasp of what words mean”. That’s funny coming from you who, just in the past few hours, has intentionally butchered the meanings of the words insurrection and vigilante to fit your lame arguments

 

[KDSTONE]

* President Biden was and is more fit than you've ever accepted, which is not difficult because you buried the bar underground.
* VP Harris was a far better candidate for 2024.
* There's nothing of significance about January 6th that changes it from anything but a 100% embarrassment for Trump supporters. The Inspector General's report confirms this.
* MSM is compromised, not necessarily corrupt, and they're still world's more credible than the junk you cite.
* There is no evidence that Covid was deliberately released.
* Voter turnout was considerably higher in 2020 due to the broader use of absentee and mail-in ballots. And it was during a pandemic that had most of us locked down to some degree, so all kinds of obstacles and distractions that usually exist didn't. There was also a very strong anti-Trump voting block in 2020; it didn't matter who was running against him.

Everything you stated was an opinion. Not facts. Opinions. Of my responses, #1, 2, and 4 are opinions that I own and stand by. #3, 5, and 6 are rooted in facts and logic. Yeah, I'm not conceding a single one of them as written, but you're so unhinged you don't actually know what I, personally, have argued from day 1, so screw your "still argue."

The first bits of evidence that you're not a smart guy are your extremist hyperbole and loose grasp of what words mean. Calling those statements facts is an obvious example. And the only way you aren't playing party politics is that party politics are actually playing you. You regurgitate every distortion and misinformation nugget you gobble down from the rightwing conspiracy theorists you think are doing real journalism.

Anything disturbing to your existing world view is a “conspiracy theory” Hopeless You’ve learned nothing from the past few years of legacy hoaxes and misinformation It’s good for our side that you guys are so slow on the uptake though so… thanks??

 

[Mac9192]

* President Biden was and is more fit than you've ever accepted, which is not difficult because you buried the bar underground.
* VP Harris was a far better candidate for 2024.
* There's nothing of significance about January 6th that changes it from anything but a 100% embarrassment for Trump supporters. The Inspector General's report confirms this.
* MSM is compromised, not necessarily corrupt, and they're still world's more credible than the junk you cite.
* There is no evidence that Covid was deliberately released.
* Voter turnout was considerably higher in 2020 due to the broader use of absentee and mail-in ballots. And it was during a pandemic that had most of us locked down to some degree, so all kinds of obstacles and distractions that usually exist didn't. There was also a very strong anti-Trump voting block in 2020; it didn't matter who was running against him.

Biden never led this country. His only decisions were picking Fruit Loops or Cheerios. Your post here started out awful, yet somehow managed to get worse. You are one dense fool to say Harris was a better candidate for 2024. There's times (every full moon) where you post something that makes a little sense. This isn't one of them though.

Ever since Jan 6th, 2021, you have been saying it was "only" Trump supporters. Now you're saying "there were only 17 non Trumpers." You're telling us you were wrong but not admitting it.

No evidence that Covid was deliberately released? Did you type that with a straight face?
Your comment on the 2020 voter turnout? Again, if you typed that with a straight face, you need an award.

The only part where you might get any admission from me is Trump 2020 vs Trump 2024. America was too divided in 20. But over these last four years, more Americans finally realized how corrupt/full of shit the system and MSM are, and voted accordingly.

 

[GhostOf301]

Nothing about gun control when he pardons his son for felony gun charges. Nothing about gun control when Trump gets shot. Nothing about gun control when the CEO is gunned down in broad daylight. But when another deranged leftist brainwashed with liberal ideologies shoots up a Christian school.... NOW we must talk about gun control.

 

[KDSTONE]

Nothing about gun control when he pardons his son for felony gun charges. Nothing about gun control when Trump gets shot. Nothing about gun control when the CEO is gunned down in broad daylight. But when another deranged leftist brainwashed with liberal ideologies shoots up a Christian school.... NOW we must talk about gun control.

They’ll be coming out of the woodwork now that Luigi is treated like a rock star on social media. These are vapid, buffoonish Leftists. Makes the hippies of the 60s look like Aristotle and Plato

 

[KDSTONE]

Nothing about gun control when he pardons his son for felony gun charges. Nothing about gun control when Trump gets shot. Nothing about gun control when the CEO is gunned down in broad daylight. But when another deranged leftist brainwashed with liberal ideologies shoots up a Christian school.... NOW we must talk about gun control.

Children are innocent. The others “had it coming” That’s the quiet part they say out loud more and more often

 

[Mac9192]

At least Datt still comes around. I guess the Ol Gal (I won’t call her by name) must be holed up in her place. Shaved head and all.

 

[dukesince91]

I'm not interested in arguing about the textbook definition of what a vigilante is.

That’s because you know you’re wrong.

 

[KDSTONE]

At least Datt still comes around. I guess the Ol Gal (I won’t call her by name) must be holed up in her place. Shaved head and all.

I miss her posts. Seldom have I laughed so hard in my adult life. She’s quiet quit politics I’m afraid

 

[GhostOf301]

I miss her posts. Seldom have I laughed so hard in my adult life. She’s quiet quit politics I’m afraid

She has definitely not quit politics. She just ran off to her safe space of like mindedness.

 

[Mac9192]

I miss her posts. Seldom have I laughed so hard in my adult life. She’s quiet quit politics I’m afraid

She definitely posts some gems. Unlike Datt, she has more rage in her. A lot more.

 

[Dattier]

Nothing about gun control when he pardons his son for felony gun charges. Nothing about gun control when Trump gets shot. Nothing about gun control when the CEO is gunned down in broad daylight. But when another deranged leftist brainwashed with liberal ideologies shoots up a Christian school.... NOW we must talk about gun control.

The shooter was a student at the school.

Nice try, though.

 

[GhostOf301]

The shooter was a student at the school.

Nice try, though.

What does that have to do with anything? Do you think her feminist views were Christian based, or Leftist propaganda?

Also, what do you have to say about the selective gun control pandering?

 

[GhostOf301]

Back to the justification of killing the CEO. So they are responsible for deaths by refusing coverage for life saving procedures, therefore they are not innocent. Do we have the same understanding for people who justify bombing abortion clinics because they are responsible for the death of thousands of children each year?

 

[Dattier]

What does that have to do with anything?

This was a student receiving a private religious education, not a deranged leftist. She was 15, for crying out loud.

Do you think her feminist views were Christian propaganda, or Leftist propaganda?

Also, what do you have to say about the selective gun control pandering?

FIFY, and neither of us knows, so talk to your doctor about how to last longer.

I think none of it exists, and gtMLo of here w/ your loaded, partisan quackery. For starters, it's not pandering; it's advocating for what the majority of Americans want. And comparing individual, targeted, political shootings to mass shootings is a false equivalency. Oh, and waaaah, your MSM is just covering it that way, waaaah. It's a BC nonstarter.

Back to the justification of killing the CEO. So they are responsible for deaths by refusing coverage for life saving procedures, therefore they are not innocent. Do we have the same understanding for people who justify bombing abortion clinics because they are responsible for the death of thousands of children each year?

Oh, that's the justification alright. Another false equivalency, though. Science and sane medical professionals distinguish between fetuses and children. I'm aware that you can't.

Do you condone the bombing of abortion clinics? Think of the property damage! 🤣

 

[GhostOf301]

This was a student receiving a private religious education, not a deranged leftist. She was 15, for crying out loud.


FIFY, and neither of us knows, so talk to your doctor about how to last longer.

I think none of it exists, and gtMLo of here w/ your loaded, partisan quackery. For starters, it's not pandering; it's advocating for what the majority of Americans want. And comparing individual, targeted, political shootings to mass shootings is a false equivalency. Oh, and waaaah, your MSM is just covering it that way, waaaah. It's a BC nonstarter.



Oh, that's the justification alright. Another false equivalency, though. Science and sane medical professionals distinguish between fetuses and children. I'm aware that you can't.

Do you condone the bombing of abortion clinics? Think of the property damage! 🤣

Her feminist views were definitely from leftists propaganda, her parents sending her to a Christian school does not mean that she can't be a deranged leftist, which she clearly was.

No one was comparing individual shootings to mass shootings. So according to you, gun control doesn't matter as long as there are only single shootings. So let's talk about the "mass shootings" that occur on a weekly basis that don't get talked about in the gun control conversation. Gang related shootings. Gun control only gets brought up when there is a narrative to be had. It's dishonest and politically motivated.

No, I do not condone abortion clinic bombings. That is what makes me a better person than you. And you pretending to be a Christian while lying about when human life begins is something that you will have to answer to one day.

 

[Dattier]

Her feminist views were definitely from leftists propaganda, her parents sending her to a Christian school does not mean that she can't be a deranged leftist, which she clearly was.

🤣
I saw misanthropy in what I've seen of her alleged manifesto. Nothing leftist about that. Nothing feminist about that. Perhaps it was a predictable backlash against her parents' freakish right-wing "Christian" extremist indoctrination. But go ahead and pull your hammies trying to justify your BC take.

No one was comparing individual shootings to mass shootings.

You did when you tried to claim there is gun control pandering based on different reactions to different types of shootings.

So according to you

You don't know what I think about this and you don't care. You just want to paint some caricature of me that's one-dimensional enough to give you a fighting chance.

So let's talk about

Nope. You're a bad faith actor (see above). I'm done engaging with you on this until you can demonstrate this is anything other than a BC pissing match.

No, I do not condone abortion clinic bombings. That is what makes me a better person than you. And you pretending to be a Christian while lying about when human life begins is something that you will have to answer to one day.

Wait. I haven't condoned abortion clinic bombings or assassinating CEOs. I've done exactly what you and AOC have done: condemn murder but express empathy for the people who would feel the urge. So you, me, and AOC are not only equally good people, we also think alike.
Last I checked, I'm the only one of the two of us who claims to be Christian, so your attempt here to judge me is pathetic.

Why did the Southern Baptist Convention of 1971 support abortion? Here, I'll point you in the right direction on that. (News to me: the GOP quietly dropped abortion opposition from their platform other than so-called late term abortions -- arguably the most humane and compassionate types of abortions.) Do you also need me to connect the dots for you about how this addresses your last bit of BC?

 

[KDSTONE]

🤣
I saw misanthropy in what I've seen of her alleged manifesto. Nothing leftist about that. Nothing feminist about that. Perhaps it was a predictable backlash against her parents' freakish right-wing "Christian" extremist indoctrination. But go ahead and pull your hammies trying to justify your BC take.



You did when you tried to claim there is gun control pandering based on different reactions to different types of shootings.



You don't know what I think about this and you don't care. You just want to paint some caricature of me that's one-dimensional enough to give you a fighting chance.



Nope. You're a bad faith actor (see above). I'm done engaging with you on this until you can demonstrate this is anything other than a BC pissing match.


Wait. I haven't condoned abortion clinic bombings or assassinating CEOs. I've done exactly what you and AOC have done: condemn murder but express empathy for the people who would feel the urge. So you, me, and AOC are not only equally good people, we also think alike.
Last I checked, I'm the only one of the two of us who claims to be Christian, so your attempt here to judge me is pathetic.

Why did the Southern Baptist Convention of 1971 support abortion? Here, I'll point you in the right direction on that. (News to me: the GOP quietly dropped abortion opposition from their platform other than so-called late term abortions -- arguably the most humane and compassionate types of abortions.) Do you also need me to connect the dots for you about how this addresses your last bit of BC?

Her parents’ extremist “freakish” indoctrination
What are you basing this comment on or are you projecting your own prejudices again?

 

[Dattier]

Her parents’ extremist “freakish” indoctrination
What are you basing this comment on or are you projecting your own prejudices again?

Just borrowing a page from your book, casting kneejerk dispersions based on a political agenda. And I said “perhaps.”

 

[GhostOf301]

Are we really pretending like the bogus calls for gun control aren't only made after s mass shooting happens that fits a narrative? The vast majority of mass shootings happen in urban areas and are a weekly occurrence. Outside of community leaders on a local level, there is nothing ever said about them. Certainly not from Washington.

What it is, is politicians are failing to protect soft targets and instead of holding themselves accountable for their gross negligence, they blame the guns.

 

[Mac9192]

There’s no doubt mass shootings are only brought up by the left when it “appears” to fit their agenda. I said appears because the left has a patent on the phrase “READY FIRE AIM!!!