Wouldn’t happen. You’d blast others for fat-shaming long before they ever went, say, carnivore and shed 50 pounds.
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This is what the Left does. It deliberately goes too far, hoping people are offended. Like reading books to Kindergarteners about “changing norms”. When people push back, they play the Bigot card. They learned at the feet of the masters: civil rights charlatans like Al Sharpton
You asked what rights are being taken away.
I accurately identified why some people are worried that rights are being taken away.
I did not offer an opinion on any of the examples I gave.
If your "5 o'clock somewhere" comment was b/c my post was so bizarre that I must be drunk, I must pass it back to you now.
Seriously, I answered your question, and now you're getting worked up about Al Sharpton?
I hear rights touted a lot....outside of the bill of rights....which ones are being removed? Be specific...not an interpretation...for example, healthcare isnt a right, does not appear on the BoR anywhere so its not a right. I acknowledge there are some nuances, again as an example freedom of speech is a tricky one...but I am curious about what rights are being violated or denied to the LGBTQetc community as they seem to be free to conduct themselves however they wish with no repercussions.
I know I've said this many times, but nothing will change until the media implodes, and has to start accurately reporting the news. It's that simple. The odds of that ever happening are very slim though. The bastards behind them are evil to the bone, but very clever. They get us fighting each other, bickering, calling names... All of this is their sinister plan. Get us looking over here, while they do this or that over there.
If you're acknowledging nuance, I'm not sure how much of a stickler you can be for specifics...
Neither abortion nor marriage equality are specifically mentioned in the Constitution, but in Roe v Wade and Obergefell v Hodges, SCOTUS ruled that both were covered by the 14th Amendment, thus rights. Whether you agree w/ it or not, the recent overturning of Roe is taking away a right. There has been some insinuation about overturning Obergefell, which would also qualify as taking away a right.
Similarly, what you call "conduct themselves however they wish with no repercussions" qualifies as "freedom of speech/expression" to others.
If "stand your ground" laws come before SCOTUS at some point, the argument in favor of them may invoke the 2nd Amendment, even though it doesn't specifically include "stand your ground." That I would disagree would not disqualify that as "specific," if I understand you correctly.
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I could get on board with some of this. Where you lose me is where you go conspiracy theorist with "evil to the bone" and "sinister plan." Whatever is wrong with the media is due to decades and decades of varied, outside influences, not some super top secret meeting of comic book super villains in an underground hideout.
Tell us you don’t understand the 2A, all without specifically saying it.
And what you call “freedom of expression” is actually illegal based on most local/state/ federal laws. You know, when a tranny flashed their silicones on the WH lawn, as example. But keep trying to justify it.
Btw, I bet you’re already in line for your xbb jab 😂
A person, gay or straight, wearing a wedding ring is not in any way throwing anything in anyone's face. So, that's not a good analogy. As far as a gay couple holding hands getting different reactions from that of a straight couple. Well, that's just not that big of a deal unless it actually is met with resistance. Which that vast majority of cases, it is not. We're not in the 80's where it was common to see people harass gay couples. Also, let's not act like it is only conservatives who are uncomfortable with the presence of a gay person. Plenty of people on the left don't care to be around gay people. I understand that historically, conservatives are associated with Christianity and that devout Christians don't accept homosexuality. They want to use their belifs to help them change their lives. (Not saying that I think they should. But many people who historically claim to be liberal, don't accept homosexuals in their presence and sometimes are more vocal and more violent about their opposition to it than conservatives in a general sense.
The people we're talking about literally talk about forcing children to be tolerant. In like an, or else, kind of way. They come off of as angry. Not light hearted. So this isn't about teaching vs forcing, solely based off of their own words. They're the ones using inflammatory and divisive tones.
Gay Pride Parades are not a place for parents to bring their children when they are a common place for public displays of sexual fantasies. But to each their own.
What kind of excessive energy is being spent here? It's pride month. Some pride month events have drawn negative attention and it has been talked about. If these freaks disappear from the news and two months later, we're still spending our energy on this, then you would have a point.
I’ll take this as a monumental moment. Keep telling yourself though that nobody pulls the strings on the media, Fox too.
It’s been reported (Russell Brand) Pfizer donates an enormous amount to MSNBC. So, it’s obvious, if true, that they will not be critical at all of the vaccine.
It’s that way across the board. They’re all bought and paid for, just as most politicians are.
You mean like the mtg where the intelligence establishment (50 or so sheep) all agreed to spout Russian disinformation drivel re: Hunter’s laptop before the 2020 election? Because that would be totally insane
But SCOTUS ruled that it was a State not a Federal issue about Abortion, therefore it wasnt represented in the constitution but decided by State law...
The conduct element reinforces that the LBGTQ community has that right apparently....nothing has been removed....lewd behaviour ( naked in front of minors is a state law in many places) is ignored in these circumstances. A blind eye turned in their favor.
So again...what specific rights are missing for this community? We hear "stand up for Gay rights" all the time....so what is it they are wanting that is denied today?
True. Some of the most passionately anti- gay rhetoric is found in the machismo cultures of Latins and Blacks who vote mostly and overwhelmingly Dem respectively. Crickets from the Left; it’s all about the Reps
As I said, I'm not doubling down on the wedding ring thing. I agree that a gay couple holding hands in public is far safer today than they would have been in the '80s, for example. Again, my point w/ all of that is that gay people are often accused of shoving their lifestyle in our faces or having an agenda for doing things straight people do all the time.
I don't think we're referring to the same people. I was referring to the gay men's choir singing about converting children to being tolerant and fair.
I can leave it at "to each their own."
However much energy is spent on it is completely up to you. Too often all it takes is a single incident for people to spiral into rants about all kinds of tangentially related things. KDStone and dukesince91 did exactly that in replying to my posts w/o actually addressing what I said.
Uh, no, the original Roe ruling made abortion a "fundamental right" federally protected by the 14th. It still wasn't mentioned in the Constitution and it was absolutely a right. If you're referring to overturning Roe 50ish years later, yes, it's now a state issue.
I answered your question. I did so accurately and thoroughly. Now you are changing the question from "which [rights] are being removed?" to "what specific rights are missing for this community?" There is a difference between rights being taken away and rights that are missing (and may have always been missing). And if I understand you correctly, you're already disqualifying rights if they don't already exist, so this feels like a bait & switch, gotcha attempt.
But in good faith, rights the LGBTQ+ community believes/thinks/is-of-the-opinion-that they are missing and for which they are advocating include religious exemptions to discrimination, housing, employment, healthcare, conversion therapy, bathrooms & other public services/accommodations. You can look it up yourself. You don't have to agree w/ a single one; it doesn't change the fact that they are fighting for them and that they refer to them as rights.
He mentioned gay rights specifically. . Since you include bathrooms and “conversion therapy” I assume you are referring to the trans pop. Just because it’s politically convenient to lump these disparate groups together, I’m pretty sure gay and trans people are not actually the same.
Okay, drop the bathrooms example and specify gay conversion therapy.
Re: bathrooms they have a right to be as deluded as they want, but I refuse to participate in it. If a person has male genitalia he/ she should use the men’s restroom. Or go behind a tree for all I care. But women and children should not have to use the same bathroom/ locker room space as bio males. Women and girls have rights too last I checked
This might be scarier then anything said on the board
You are being pedantic...I changed nothing about the question. But I appreciate the attempt to answer the question. Nothing cited is a right...except possibly the religious exemption from discrimination ( 1st amendment) but being Gay isnt a religion so that one is nullified. The rest are not rights either....housing, employment...etc I think that your struggle to name one true right shows that the argument they are being denied is a strawman.
You’re so full of it, crap is probably coming out your nose and ears. I’m 58 and have never treated blacks or any race negatively. It’s people like you that are causing racial issues. Yes there was a time in our history that blacks were not treated equally, but those days are long gone. All I ask for is that we treat all races the same. We’re all of the human race. Quit trying to divide us.
Correct. White libs have to keep their most loyal voting block stirred up and get them to the polls or they couldn’t win national elections. Other racial minorities are starting to wise up. Muslim parents protesting Crt and LGBT being taught in their kids’ schools, e.g. Many of whom are Black but whose defining feature is their religion not their race, libs’ worst nightmare
I literally quoted your questions — plural — and explained the difference.
The religious exemption is something they are fighting. Discrimination in housing, employment, etc, are definitely battles for rights.
I even predicted the “gotcha” you’re pulling now and proceeded in the hopes I’d be wrong: you’re asking about rights that are being denied at the same time that you are defining rights as things that have already been granted.
You’re putting on the appearance of objectivity and being rational, yet you’re denying things on the basis of your personal opinion.
If someone tells you they’re fighting for the right to wear arm floaties on airplanes, you can think they’re absolute idiots, but you can’t say they didn’t tell you what they’re fighting for.
Ignore what you consider drivel if you want, but if you’re replying to it, you should actually know what it says.
What are you even talking about? That doesn’t address a single thing I said. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I asked you a question.
You cast a wider net on what a right is or is not than i do...i follow the Bill....the word right is overused to describe something that someone wishes to do but isnt allowed either by law or by set rules from owners/corporations/clubs/local authorities etc....you are not denied a right if it is against the rules. No one's rights are violated if a rule is set that they dont agree with or wish to break. Hence the issue I have with "gay rights are being violated"...where? you are yet to show any examples.
And ditto - "you’re putting on the appearance of objectivity and being rational, yet you’re denying things on the basis of your personal opinion"
Safe to say we will not agree on what a right is or is not as you see them in a much broader definition. Thats ok
You’re admitting it was a gotcha question from the start then.
I have responded to you without inserting my personal opinion. What gay people are fighting for is fact. What we think of it is separate.
What gay people are fighting for is fact.
Which is? what are they fighting for that they dont get today? its my third time asking but I have yet to see any true example...this is not a gotcha question..its a simple one. BTW I've asked my liberal friends the same..and they cant provide one so you are in good company.
Ok I’ll answer.. I think both are stupid.. kids don’t need to be taught about perverse lifestyles period.. not introduced to it or anything.. I also don’t think they should be introduced to normal sex at an early age either.. bedroom issues should stay there, let kids be kids.
I’m going to bring this back up, but what will it take for you to see our media as corrupt? Be honest, and look back over the last several decades.
If you’ve seen the fictional movie “Sum of All Fears,” the villain said where Hitler messed up was he fought the USA and Russia, when he should have had them fighting each other.
That’s almost spot on with what’s going on in our society right now. We are fighting each other while they’re sitting back laughing and prospering.
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Still didn’t answer the question.
I don’t remember if you have kids or what ages… would they be allowed to be friends with a classmate who had two dads?
I’ve told you twice.
Third time’s the charm, maybe:
* removal of religious exemptions allowing them to be discriminated against
* protection from being evicted or fired based on orientation
* being allowed to adopt
* basically being included as a protected group under the 14th Amendment the same way BIPOC, women, and disabled people are
I agree that they are corrupt. I do not think it is the result of a sinister plot.
Sexual orientation as a protection under the Constitution is a stretch. Gay rights have progressed faster than voting rights ever did! So hard to scream discrimination. Removing another religion's rights should not be the basis for granting what you think Gay rights are needed..but that seems to be the way the Gay rights movement wants to proceed.
And right to Adopt...didnt you just ask if someone was ok with letting their kids play with a friend who had two dads...so they most likely adopted right?
Repeating claims that have no basis in fact isnt a great way to support your point btw...see adoption example above.
I'm out but enjoyed the debate.
