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Some people just have to much time in their skull . If I think deep enough about anything I can make a case about any ol thing being offensive lol
 
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SDevada said:
Perhaps you could be slightly less misogynistic in making your points. This is a Duke board and as a participant in higher education one would think you have a whole host of words you could use. On the other hand, you do seem to have trouble understanding how such a negative stereotyping gesture might be considered offensive.
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I apologize...from the bottom of my ass :)
 
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smashmouth5 said:
Saw where someone said the Texas Rangers name is offensive.
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It is offensive for a different reason. The name honors a law and order force that was violent, corrupt and racist in its enforcement. Some author said that for Mexicans and Mexican Americans living at the borders, the rangers were the equivalent of the KKK.
We are finally having to pay for the fact that, as a country, we have refused to look at our history with eyes open and accept the atrocities white Americans perpetrated on brown-skinned people. The fights over flying the Confederate flag make that clear. And now, young people of color are feeling more secure and emboldened to force the issue. So, yes. There will be a lot of complaint, discussion and re-evaluation. Getting an accurate handle on our history is hardly a bad thing.
 
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SDevada said:
I believe that there is some disagreement amongst Native Americans about the use of the term "Brave." Some feel that it perpetuates the stereotype of almost feral warriors. But beyond that, the tomahawk chop is very offensive and that won't go away unless the team changes the name.
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Everything is very offensive to your kind lol
 
SDevada said:
It is offensive for a different reason. The name honors a law and order force that was violent, corrupt and racist in its enforcement. Some author said that for Mexicans and Mexican Americans living at the borders, the rangers were the equivalent of the KKK.
We are finally having to pay for the fact that, as a country, we have refused to look at our history with eyes open and accept the atrocities white Americans perpetrated on brown-skinned people. The fights over flying the Confederate flag make that clear. And now, young people of color are feeling more secure and emboldened to force the issue. So, yes. There will be a lot of complaint, discussion and re-evaluation. Getting an accurate handle on our history is hardly a bad thing.
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Your accurate handle, that meets your narrative, or the truth?
 
jnastasi said:
A lot of children there with nothing better to do in life other than find things they’re offended by
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this is a two way street. the people who want things to stay the same are just as childish, only they don’t give a reason for why they are so opposed to change, other than because the other side wants change.
 
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I am not Native American, so I cannot speak on their experience. But Redskins to me sounds much worse than Braves or Seminoles. Lots of teams have names of people. Fighting Irish, Vikings, Patriots, Buccaneers. As long as they are okay with it and it's not some kind of slur.
 
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MLB Teams that need mascot changes...

Dodgers-offensive to those that fled to Canda during Vietnam War.
Giants-offensive to tall people.
Padres-offensive to religious people.
Rockies-offensive to quarry workers.
Diamondbacks-offensive to copperhead.
Cubs-offensive to elderly bears.
Cardinals-offensive to Cathloics.
Reds-Offensive to other crayons.
Pirates-offensive to descendents of Blackbeard.
Brewers-offensives to alcoholics.
Nationals-offensive to internationals.
Phillies-offensive to those who enjoy touching people.
Mets-offensive to those who have been introduced to someone.
Marlins-offensive to blue fin tuna.
Mariners-offensive to land lovers.
Athletics-offensive to the unathletic.
Angels-offensive to devils.
Astros-offensive to turf.
Twins-offensive to triplets.
Royal-offensive to the peasants.
Tigers-offensive to Lions.
White Sox-really...white.
Blue Jays-offensive to wrens.
Rays-offensive to 1950's sci-fi movies.
Red Sox-see White Sox.
Orioles-offensive to...I got nothing.
Yankees- offensive to people who enjoy self gratification.

Congrats Baltimore...you can keep yours.
 
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smashmouth5 said:
MLB Teams that need mascot changes...

Dodgers-offensive to those that fled to Canda during Vietnam War.
Giants-offensive to tall people.
Padres-offensive to religious people.
Rockies-offensive to quarry workers.
Diamondbacks-offensive to copperhead.
Cubs-offensive to elderly bears.
Cardinals-offensive to Cathloics.
Reds-Offensive to other crayons.
Pirates-offensive to descendents of Blackbeard.
Brewers-offensives to alcoholics.
Nationals-offensive to internationals.
Phillies-offensive to those who enjoy touching people.
Mets-offensive to those who have been introduced to someone.
Marlins-offensive to blue fin tuna.
Mariners-offensive to land lovers.
Athletics-offensive to the unathletic.
Angels-offensive to devils.
Astros-offensive to turf.
Twins-offensive to triplets.
Royal-offensive to the peasants.
Tigers-offensive to Lions.
White Sox-really...white.
Blue Jays-offensive to wrens.
Rays-offensive to 1950's sci-fi movies.
Red Sox-see White Sox.
Orioles-offensive to...I got nothing.
Yankees- offensive to people who enjoy self gratification.

Congrats Baltimore...you can keep yours.
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I will say there is some racial slurs around here with 3 people forming an Oreo sooo that’s not safe either haha
 
I think people just want to live in the present and not the past there “historian”:)
 
IFaZe said:
I think people just want to live in the present and not the past there “historian”:)
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First of all, not wanting to perpetuate racist tropes and memes is very much living in the present. Secondly, If you don’t get a handle in your past, your present can be problematic.
 
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As a lifelong Braves fan (roughly 35 years), I'd like to point out that most season-ticket holders are probably older than Atlanta's Tomahawk Chop. So for all y'all getting bent out of shape, and especially the guy who cited it as a reason for his fandom, you should realize it's a cheer that has been being used for less than 30 years and was stolen from Florida State. We'll be all right if the chop fades away.

As for the name itself, this seems to randomly pop up in the odd article as a question when people call for Washington to change monikers. I don't recall any real push at any point for the Braves to change names. Perhaps I'm wrong but it seems like the Braves, along with the NHL's Blackhawks and Florida State, seem to have good relationships with Native American groups and are seen as treating them with respect. If there have been serious call to change those names I'm not familiar with them.

Cleveland probably could have escaped being a focal point of this issue as well had they simply not dragged their feet on the whole Chief Wahoo thing. Well, that and the fact that their organization is no longer actually correct in its usage, but nobody ever mentions that.
 
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SDevada said:
First of all, not wanting to perpetuate racist tropes and memes is very much living in the present. Secondly, If you don’t get a handle in your past, your present can be problematic.
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I bet over 90% of the population that root for these teams dont even know the history of these team names until brought light upon, 8% don’t care. 2% cry . That’s problematic. Now it’s a problem until every team falls in line. Peace
 
IFaZe said:
I bet over 90% of the population that root for these teams dont even know the history of these team names until brought light upon, 8% don’t care. 2% cry . That’s problematic. Now it’s a problem until every team falls in line. Peace
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Certainly enough people are aware that the teams are motivated to make changes. The 2% who are crying are most likely the fans who want everything to stay the same.
 
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Buzzooka Joe said:
I’m not trying to get political or social justice warrior at all.. I’m genuinely curious how the “Braves” name is offensive? It seems very classy and they don’t have any cartoonish logos..
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Forget team names altogether. Let’s just go to numbers. I’m looking forward to MLB franchise #7’s upcoming season. Go #7, unless anyone objects to the name.
 
GAAP said:
Forget team names altogether. Let’s just go to numbers. I’m looking forward to MLB franchise #7’s upcoming season. Go #7, unless anyone objects to the name.
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Dibs on the New Jersey 69s.
 
Oh, and Braves, Blackhawks... some of those seem fine to me. Redskins, def. not, if you take even a moment to think about it.
 
SDevada said:
I believe that there is some disagreement amongst Native Americans about the use of the term "Brave." Some feel that it perpetuates the stereotype of almost feral warriors. But beyond that, the tomahawk chop is very offensive and that won't go away unless the team changes the name.
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That makes sense.. but it still seems several levels below “REDSKINS” which is an obviously offensive name.. if the Braves have to change, there will be hundreds of College & High School teams that have to change.. and you’ll also have to change any team that is named after a group of people (Vikings, Irish, etc.).. basically, if a team isn’t named after an animal, there will be some argument that it is offensive to someone.
 
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Imagine an asterisk beside Aaron's name for all time career HR's.

*Aaron broke the record as a member of the Braves, not Wildcats.....

Talk about discrimination! DO NOT REWRITE BRAVES HISTORY!

REMEMBER THE OLD BUFFALO BRAVES OF THE NBA? THEY FOLDED.....However do we need to change the name since its on the books???? LMAO

OFC
 
Buzzooka Joe said:
That makes sense.. but it still seems several levels below “REDSKINS” which is an obviously offensive name.. if the Braves have to change, there will be hundreds of College & High School teams that have to change.. and you’ll also have to change any team that is named after a group of people (Vikings, Irish, etc.).. basically, if a team isn’t named after an animal, there will be some argument that it is offensive to someone.
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FIrst of all many schools went ahead and changed their names so it can be done. And I don't see why you have to change the name of a team if it is named after a group, I actually think that is mixing apples and oranges. Atlanta was not the Atlanta Native Americans, it used a stereotype of native americans for its name. Florida State for instance is has its name as the Seminoles and the tribe is proud of that fact.
 
SDevada said:
That is such an absurd argument that it only underscores the weakness of your position.
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What an ENORMOUSLY WEAK response. You usually at least put a little thought into it. Obviously my argument stands on its own merits. Defendant throws in towel!

OFC
 
SDevada said:
FIrst of all many schools went ahead and changed their names so it can be done. And I don't see why you have to change the name of a team if it is named after a group, I actually think that is mixing apples and oranges. Atlanta was not the Atlanta Native Americans, it used a stereotype of native americans for its name. Florida State for instance is has its name as the Seminoles and the tribe is proud of that fact.
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Didn’t the Vikings raid and kill people .
 
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