Re: UNC Scandal Thread: COI Meeting In Dec - Was unc discussed?
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Couple points.
1) My dad was an ACC championshipship winning coach at Clemson for a brief period in the mid 1980s. They absolutely were doing the types of grade fixing that has been exposed at UNC. When he voiced his concerns to the administrators he was turned away. He subsequently resigned not long thereafter and went back to coaching and teaching at the high school level.
2) I believe UNC is going to get a very minor punishment, perhaps one year of probation and a modest fine, but no postseason bans, no scholarship reductions and certainly no vacated wins. You are setting yourself up for major disappointment if you are expecting anything beyond that.
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Just to get this right, it is your assertion that UNC-CH will receive less punishment than Syracuse?
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Yes. Syracuse self-reported, to their own detriment. UNC has cleverly played their legal hand to mitigate the punishment, and there is not a soul in a position of influence anywhere who will add penalties beyond the measly wrist slap the NCAA is about to hand down.
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If this was the case then why is UNc-CH frantically trying to negotiate post season bans DOWN to one year? My contacts in Indy tell me the opposite of what you say, please share how you come to your conclusions based on reality not Chapel Hill Wal Mart delusion. What are your contacts at the NCAA telling you?
If you are correct (which you are not) then I am going to be retiring early because the NCAA will be destroyed in court.
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You are sort of making my point re: the frantic negotiations. I think they prevail. I have no inside knowledge, but am basing my opinion on decades of empirical evidence where it pertains to UNC-CHeat and any governing body doing anything to put them in their place (Lawrence Taylor, Wanda Hightower, Wayne Ellington...anyone?). Look, I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but just saying anyone who gets their hopes up for a just punishment is going to be miserable when the wrist slap is handed down. If/when this happens, then I'm officially done with college sports and I'm not the only person on these boards to express a similar sentiment.
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There is no negotiations on vacated wins as that is fact with precedent and is going to happen. Any games with an ineligible player will be vacated, no negotiation. The sanctions will be severe as that is the only way the NCAA has any chance of surviving the Jenkins case as "amateurism" is no longer a valid defense in the 9th circuit.
NCAA member schools are putting pressure on the NCAA to punish UNC-CH severely as they don't want to see athlete labor costs go from a relatively small percentage of total revenue to a significant percentage of total revenue if athletes were allowed to negotiate with schools in an open marketplace.
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I am as well aware of the UNC history of corruption as anyone here. And I certainly am well aware of their continuing ability to use their influence to not only escape detection but also any due punishment. However, today's circumstances provide for an entirely new set of conditions. This is not just the NCAA vs. UNC. There are bigger issues of importance to the NCAA that are floating around and their conduct in all matters of the near future is under the scope. So if the NCAA does not want to be responsible for destroying what they created many years ago, the integrity and competence of their actions are critical.
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exactly this is why NCAA member schools are also putting pressure on the NCAA behind the scenes. They want to keep their athlete labor costs belong 20% which is where they are at many P5 schools.
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This all sounds great to me, and I hope true. But as Michael Corleone astutely observed, "if history has proven anything, it's that you can get to anybody." So I'll ask, what do we know about the actual judge in the Jenkins case? Is he/she completely above reproach? Do we know for certain they aren't part of the CHeat cabal or susceptible to being bought? As I said...I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, color me skeptical.
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I know Judge Claudia Wilkins and she is one of the finest and most intelligent members of the judiciary I have met with respect to anti-trust law. She is above reproach.