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The timeline for this case is always a topic of concern. A few pages ago , I linked a post from a person with experience in these areas describing what that timeline looks like. Well , unless something changes ( and Sankey seems committed to ending delays ) this is about as close as we can get...


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COI hearing would be August 2017

COI Report with any bylaw violations and sanctions 6-8 weeks later (Oct 2017)

UNC-CH has 15 days to appeal to IAC

IAC most likely rules within 30 days. IAC ruling is final.

Not sure where UNC-CH would be file suit, but UNC-CH would have to overcome NCAA motion to dismiss and convince a judge that the NCAA actually did commit an egregious violation of NCAA process/procedure/bylaw. This is a high hurdle since the NCAA is a voluntary and private organization and the courts show great deference to the organization. If UNC-CH clears the motion to dismiss then UNC-CH will request a temporary injunction against penalty, another bar to cross.

Another important date is Jenkins v NCAA will most likely be heard in 1Q2018. The NCAA would like to have UNC-CH finished from what they can control before that case starts.

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If this goes to court, wouldn't that almost assure that sanctions would be postponed a few more years... time for a few more championships?

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Not unless UNC's motion for preliminary injunction is granted. They have to show they're likely to win to get that. The NCAA decision stays in effect unless that gets granted. Preliminary injunction is the ball game for UNC.

I don't think they're going to sue. I haven't heard anything that suggests to me they've got a realistic hope of winning. The facts are bad for UNC and the NCAA has given UNC all the due process anyone could reasonably want. It's not like the courts are eager to get involved in an association's dealings with its members.

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Completely agree. I don't know much about this area of law. However, I don't think UNC-CH sues because they know they have virtually no chance at winning. If they do sue I think the chances are small that they get passed the NCAA motion to dismiss.



My 2 cents. This is all speculative but unless unx's recruiting does a 180 any further delay only hurts 'em. In fact , without an uptick in recruiting , unx wants no part of any more delays. They got lucky this time. Their elite players STAYED 3 and 4 years while everyone else's bolted. Roy's not re-stocking with that level of talent...yet. The LAST thing he wants is to be putting 5 Luke Mayes on the court every game. Everyone is concerned ( with good reason ) that the holes will delay this in perpetuity. Fine. Go for it. But part of the reason Roy struggles signing elite talent is the scandal hanging over his head. He hasn't had to consider puttin' 5 Luke's out there...yet. Roy would never let this go unsettled if his talent level ain't what he's used to...especially if it's on a yearly basis.
 
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How 'bout this part...?

Were these classes just for athletes?

No.

More non-athletes than athletes took these classes. Were the classes a slide for the non-athletes, too?

Yup.

"Yup?" Nope...
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Like I said to some guy on Facebook, pointing out that more non-athletes than athletes took these classes is a stupid observation and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to percentages. There might be more physical numbers in favor of non-athletes taking these courses, but it's all about the percentages. There's a higher percentage of ATHLETES taking these courses than non-athletes. Athletes are taking these courses at a much higher rate.
 
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Like I said to some guy on Facebook, pointing out that more non-athletes than athletes took these classes is a stupid observation and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to percentages. There might be more physical numbers in favor of non-athletes taking these courses, but it's all about the percentages. There's a higher percentage of ATHLETES taking these courses than non-athletes. Athletes are taking these courses at a much higher rate.
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Trying to explain things to UNC folks with complicated subjects like "math" will get you nowhere. Try drawing a picture (even better if it's one you have to fill in the colors) or acting out a play (complete with sock puppets).
 
MikeD2891 said:
Like I said to some guy on Facebook, pointing out that more non-athletes than athletes took these classes is a stupid observation and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to percentages. There might be more physical numbers in favor of non-athletes taking these courses, but it's all about the percentages. There's a higher percentage of ATHLETES taking these courses than non-athletes. Athletes are taking these courses at a much higher rate.
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Plus it sounds like in a lot of cases the non athletes took the class differently and there is proof that crowder and others were putting them in there to not cause too much attention
 
BNM79 said:
Plus it sounds like in a lot of cases the non athletes took the class differently and there is proof that crowder and others were putting them in there to not cause too much attention
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MikeD2891 said:
Like I said to some guy on Facebook, pointing out that more non-athletes than athletes took these classes is a stupid observation and shows a lack of understanding when it comes to percentages. There might be more physical numbers in favor of non-athletes taking these courses, but it's all about the percentages. There's a higher percentage of ATHLETES taking these courses than non-athletes. Athletes are taking these courses at a much higher rate.
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THIS^^^. Athletes make up a fraction ( 2-4%? ) of the unx student population yet account for almost HALF of the enrollments?! And , yes , having non-athletes in the classes was part of it. So was the "bifurcation." Regular students required to do actual work while the jocks did nothing. Plus , how many times was an entire course ( NAVS ) hijacked for a semester to house jocks only to return back to its usual level of rigor after? Important to keep in mind that unx's ridiculous arguments aren't meant to sway anyone OTHER than the base. Obviously , anyone remotely objective sees thru all this. No chance of selling them on this defense. If they lost their own fans though? Game over. The Tarhole Nation already wants to believe and many ain't exactly the brightest anyway. Keepin' them is crucial. God forbid , the Art Chansky's of the world start callin' for justice.
 
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Some reporter needs to ask Roy if he told a current UNC player (who was warned about unc probation) that he would be out of school before any case against UNC came up
 
"Moving forward." lulz...

University releases additional NCAA correspondence

April 25, 2017

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill has posted more correspondence sent to and received from the NCAA and its Committee on Infractions in conjunction with responding to public records requests. Those items can be found here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

http://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/university-releases-additional-ncaa-correspondence/
 
Sankey's about had it with unx. Lyin' , actin' like they don't know how the process works by whining about "conflicts of interest" and leaking info. Too funny...

To All Parties:

Over the last several weeks, the parties have sent correspondence to the enforcement staff, copying me and the Office of the Committees on Infractions (OCOI). Additional correspondence was sent directly to me in my role as Chair of the Division I Committee on Infractions (COI). These letters raise certain claims, among others, about the process and my role as the COI Chair and Chief Hearing Officer (CHO) in this case. Some correspondence includes misstatements of fact.

For more than 60 years, peer review has been the cornerstone of the NCAA infractions process. This infractions process was developed and approved by the NCAA membership.

Moreover, regarding my role as Chair of the COI, the NCAA Division I Board of Directors approved my appointment to this role pursuant to Bylaw 19.3.1. Regarding case-specific conflicts of interest, the membership anticipated that concern in Bylaw 19.3.4. My conference affiliation within a peer review model does not create a direct conflict or the appearance of partiality.

Although a party in the infractions process may raise a conflict of interest concern, there is no requirement that a COI member directly refute allegations of the appearance of partiality. However, I reaffirm the panel's and my commitment to fairly decide this case. Misstatements of fact (e.g., that the panel directed the enforcement staff to change allegations, that the panel is somehow conflicted or that I previously investigated a Southeastern Conference institution on an academic matter) included in some of these letters do not change this commitment to impartiality.

Finally, Bylaw 19.01.3 requires that all infractions-related information remain confidential throughout the infractions process. The panel will continue to monitor the parties' compliance with this requirement and, if necessary, address any failures at the upcoming infractions hearing.


Look who gets tagged. Lulz...


cc: Commissioner John Swofford


https://carolinacommitment.unc.edu/files/2017/04/04.14.2017-Letter-from-Greg-Sankey.pdf
 
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Interesting. Lee , btw , is a unx alum...

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https://bobleesays.com/2017/04/26/making-kenan-more-komfortable/
 
That loud noise ya'll hear is the sound of the Tarhole Nation collectively crapping their pants. Lollers...

Mary Willingham willing to be interviewed in NCAA investigation into UNC

Mary Willingham, the former UNC-Chapel Hill reading specialist who blew the whistle on years of academic fraud involving athletes, says she is willing to be interviewed by the NCAA, so long as it’s on “their dime.”

“The Cartel can interview me on their own dime – and with permission from my new employer,” Willingham said in an email message to The News & Observer on Wednesday. She made the offer after newly released correspondence in the NCAA infractions case showed the NCAA’s infractions committee chairman suggested she would be worth seeking out for an interview, which prompted UNC’s attorney to write that she had been “discredited.”

After reading the NCAA and UNC correspondence released Tuesday, Willingham gave The N&O an email she said she had sent to UNC’s attorney, Rick Evrard, and NCAA infractions committee chairman Greg Sankey. She began it with: “I’ve read that one of you is looking for me while the other has me on the ‘discredited’ list.”

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article146964879.html


unx paid Mary 300k and if there was some type of gag order it appears Evrard may have broken it. BTW , when was Mary "discredited?" I've followed this pretty closely and don't recall it. Had she been discredited , she'd be knee-deep in slander and libel suits from her former employer. Don't recall any of those either. The only people "discredited" throughout have been unx sock-puppets. Heck , even McCants wasn't discredited and he's crazy as a sheet-house rat. The NCAA may ultimately wrist-slap unx but the holes are grasping at straws at this point. Unnecessary too. Said it before. Until I see different , I'll always believe the NCAA goes easy on the CHeats and unx coulda absorbed a real Death Penalty and be recovered fully by now. That tarhole hubris. Gotta love it.
 
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unx athletics taints everything it touches. Lulz...

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2017 BOSTON MARATHON AGE GROUP AWARD WINNER DISQUALIFIED

The women's 60-64 yr 3rd place finisher has been disqualified after it was determined someone else ran with her bib.

This runner does not appear to be 63 years old, and the original finisher was named Maryanne. The original runner qualified at The 2015 New York Marathon.

https://www.marathoninvestigation.c...n-marathon-age-group-winner-disqualified.html
 
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Somebody at unx forgot to tell Trubisky what a "hard count" is. Lulz...

 
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How do you change social perspectives in young adults? Allow fake classes to count towards their General Education Diversity requirement.

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A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

Walter, of the 677 grade changes Crowder made, she had authority to make exactly ZERO of those changes. Only faculty can change grades.

B. Martin‏ @yibyabby

Isn't an AB to letter grade an increase? Were any changed to D? How many AB converted to F? What's the ath/non-ath distro of grade changes?

Wufwuf1‏ @Wufwuf1

FERPAaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

B. Martin‏ @yibyabby

Just aggregate the data. Show Crowder's AB-to-whatever grade change distributions, by athlete and non-athlete. That's not FERPA-protected..

Wufwuf1‏ @Wufwuf1

Oh I know, but that has not slowed them from using it in the past.

B. Martin‏ @yibyabby

@Wufwuf1 @CheatingBlueRam They cite FERPA to deny access to data. "No records responsive" to avoid aggregating data themselves. (Not required to "create record.")...Unless, of course, it paints a favorable picture.

https://twitter.com/yibyabby
 
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To Arne Duncan, winning can't be the only thing in college sports

Then, Duncan used the bully pulpit of his office to criticize big-time college athletics. Today, he offers pointed critiques from his lead position on the reform-minded commission. So what does he think about North Carolina winning the NCAA men’s basketball tournament this month while under investigation for allegations of past academic fraud?

“Without commenting on specific allegations at UNC, or anywhere else,” Duncan says, “where athletes are taking sham classes, when they are being passed through to create revenue for the university, when they are not earning college degrees and not being prepared for the real world, it is absolutely abusive and immoral. It makes no sense educationally, and it is morally bankrupt.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...mmission-intercollegiate-athletics/100991796/
 
I'm sorry to jump in here, but I'm still a little foggy on this grade-changing deal. My daughter attends Duke, and it seems to be very difficult, bordering on impossible, to get a professor to change a grade. She is not an athlete, though.

Do any of you know how common it is at Duke for athletes to be granted grade changes? Serious question because I just don't understand how anyone defends all the grade changes that were allowed. Does it just fall under the "everybody does it" category?
 
I was a Duke athlete, and never had a grade changed. I figure it has to happen sometimes?
 
Kirshner whining...

Letter: Roy’s critics didn’t know their facts

TO THE EDITOR:

Twice in the last three days The Daily Tar Heel has published letters that have for all intents and purposes assassinated the character of men’s basketball coach Roy Williams.

The writers of these letters clearly don’t know and don’t understand the facts of the case but appear to have no problem looking for — and finding — a vehicle by which they can smear the reputation of the coach, program and university.

Letters to the editor are opinions, but the paper of record on our campus should bear the responsibility for making sure the authors deal in some level of fairness and fact.

The Daily Tar Heel is quick to make a profit off Carolina basketball’s national championship by selling its commemorative issue hot off the press, and it gleefully detailed to a media trade site that the basketball championship cut the paper’s financial losses in half this year.

Perhaps it should be equally diligent in ensuring that the forum it gives letter writers is not simply a wall at which people can throw mud.

Steve Kirschner

UNC-Chapel Hill Director of Athletic Communications

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/04/letter-roys-critics-didnt-know-their-facts


Amusing that he would chastise the paper for not "making sure the authors deal in some level of fairness and fact." The paper , pretty much , knows all about "fairness and fact" when it comes to this mess...

Opinion: Administrators want to silence UNC’s past, but our community must discuss it

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/04/opinion-administrators-want-to-silence-uncs-past

Opinion: UNC should stand by employees in a consistent manner

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article...uld-stand-by-employees-in-a-consistent-manner
 
Letter: Do not dismiss what you cannot disprove

TO THE EDITOR:

Steve Kirschner, our Director of Athletic Communications, yesterday admonished the Daily Tar Heel for publishing letters critical of Roy Williams. He argues that their actions “smear the reputation of the coach, program and university.”

If the allegations published are entirely false, then we would all be very grateful if Kirschner could disprove them. And if they are merely character attacks, then of course there is no point in engaging with them.

But to dismiss them without disproving them, and then to attack our student newspaper for daring to print them is a bizarre and severely misguided approach to university communications.

Our University’s reputation has been sullied not by this paper, but rather by an institutional failure of enormous proportions which administrators like Kirschner are yet to fully come to terms with.

Kirschner also attempts to paint The Daily Tar Heel as exploiting UNC Athletics for their own financial gain.

This is laughable. The Daily Tar Heel is a loss-making nonprofit organization which distributes a daily paper free of charge and does not receive any student fees. They sold commemorative issues for one single dollar each, when most of us would have paid anything to get our hands on one.

Kirschner ought to be able to recognize economic exploitation, given that he has worked for our Athletics Department since 1990. The irony here is that just this week The Daily Tar Heel published a front-page editorial criticizing the administration for their evasive and dishonest PR strategies. Perhaps it struck a nerve?

Harry Edwards

Senior

Economics

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/04/letter-do-not-dismiss-what-you-cannot-disprove
 
Pretty sure this is the letter that Kirschner blew a gasket over...

Letter: UNC’s NCAA title was an illicit achievement

TO THE EDITOR:

The powder blue and white confetti has been swept away, and the last embers of the bonfires have burned out.

Now, it’s back to reality for North Carolina basketball fans who must face the fact that UNC’s 2017 NCAA men’s basketball title is an illicit and dishonorable achievement.

This time around, we can assume the UNC players won the title by honest means. Unlike the 2005 NCAA title, which (was) illicit because the Tar Heels used academically ineligible players, this year’s crown is severely tainted because North Carolina (again) used a morally ineligible coach.

Coach Roy Williams, who has done a masterful job of refusing to accept responsibility for what he knew regarding the worst academic/athletic scandal in college sports history, should have been fired long ago.

Over the years Williams’ players were enrolled in fake courses to keep them academically eligible. Williams has actually used the prolonged — and botched — NCAA investigation into UNC’s violations to his advantage.

Williams has essentially played the martyr (a fantasy UNC fans have happily bought into) and this has served as a successful tactic to inspire his players as well.

The longer the NCAA investigation goes on, the shorter peoples’ memories get. Recent media coverage of North Carolina at the NCAA Tournament made few references to the ongoing investigation, and the University and Williams have mounted a successful multimillion dollar PR campaign to keep the attention focused on basketball glory — not shameful cheating.

During an NCAA Tournament, Williams even had the audacity to deny his program had even one iota of culpability in the 18-year-long scandal.

After a vague admission that there were “some mistakes made,” Williams said: “But there were no allegations against men’s basketball. So I’ve sort of hung my hat on that part, and I know we did nothing wrong.”

If that’s true, why was former UNC standout Rashad McCants, the second-leading scorer on the 2005 championship team, enrolled in fake courses in which attendance was not required, making the dean’s list with four As?

“As an athlete, we weren’t really there for an education,” McCants said in one interview ... (in another interview) he also noted that Williams told him, “We’re going to be able to (figure out how to make it happen),” regarding the fact that McCants was not meeting academic eligibility requirements to play basketball.

“The University makes money off us athletes,” McCants said. “And they give us this fake education as a distraction.”

Fake education equals fake NCAA titles.

So, up to this point, Williams and UNC have actually benefited from the scandal.

Any talk that UNC will receive the NCAA “death penalty” for its egregious actions is highly unlikely.

In the last two seasons, UNC has played the maximum 12 games in the NCAA Tournament resulting in the University receiving millions of dollars in compensation through gate and television revenue and from sales of products bearing the UNC logo.

The University has also received priceless media attention worldwide, and the NCAA is riding those Carolina coattails and reaping the benefits as well.

Will the NCAA bite the hand that feeds it? That seems doubtful.

Right now, Williams has managed to turn inside out the adage: “Cheaters never prosper,” but history won’t be so kind to Williams or UNC.

Despite his being a talented coach and recruiter, Williams didn’t play by the rules, and his accomplishments — like those of other sports cheats — will always be accompanied by an asterisk.

Williams and by association, the University of North Carolina, will always be remembered as cheaters.

Patrick O’Neill is a former reporter with The Chapel Hill News who covered Tar Heels sports.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/04/letter-uncs-ncaa-title-was-an-illicit-achievement
 
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"Doggone it, Steve write a protest letter into DTH in protest of these friggin letters!!"

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A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

@NCStateEngineer @drridpath With contacts in the right place, it is easy to add courses after the normal enrollment windows have closed but before classes begin (pt. 1)

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

@NCStateEngineer @drridpath (pt 2) Once courses are on the books, the department can add students through the online system without the Registrar's involvement.

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

@NCStateEngineer @drridpath (pt 3) Ample evidence that Crowder was playing this game but adding regular students as needed to avoid the red warning flags.

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

@NCStateEngineer @drridpath (last part) No one has disputed Crowder was managing her rosters in this manner.

B. David Ridpath‏ @drridpath

Agree on all parts

A Poisoned Ivy‏ @CheatingBlueRam

@drridpath @NCStateEngineer The bifurcation is very troubling. Within the same semester, putting the general population in seated classes and athletes in PaperClasses

https://twitter.com/CheatingBlueRam
 
SMH...

NC representative introduces amendment to keep Pinson, Bradley at UNC for another year

There are Tar Heels fans among the N.C. General Assembly, and they want another shot at a title.

A North Carolina representative introduced an amendment Wednesday to keep Tar Heels men’s basketball players at UNC for another season.

Rep. David Lewis shared a photo of an amendment to House Joint Resolution 921 on Twitter Wednesday after the team was congratulated in a ceremony by the General Assembly. The amendment was to be part of the resolution honoring the Tar Heels for winning the 2017 national championship.

The amendment reads “Whereas, countless Carolina fans would love to see the team repeat its accomplishments by winning another national championship in 2018 and, in order to achieve that goal, players Tony Bradley and Theo Pinson are required to follow the decision made by Joel Berry II to continue playing as a Tar Heel.”

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article148370994.html
 
Before anyone thinks I'm being callous , I just wanna preface this by saying I'm not. I'm sorry this poor guy passed away. Thoughts and prayers to his loved ones and friends. That said , he was a troubled dude and , let's face it , knee-deep in a lot of unanswered questions at unx...

Dentist, UNC grad tied to Tar Heel player has died

The dentist whose promotional photos caused problems for a UNC basketball player in 2013 died over the weekend.

Spencer Howard was a graduate of the dental school at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and the founder of Iceberg Holdings, which designed custom mouth guards for athletes. One of those athletes, Leslie McDonald, appeared in advertisements for the company, prompting UNC to issue him a cease-and-desist letter.

http://www.wral.com/dentist-unc-grad-tied-to-tar-heel-player-has-died/16683094/

More...

http://www.ncdentalboard.org/discipline_action.htm

http://ncdentalboard.org/pdf/Howard, Spencer - Consent Order - Permanent Surrender - 11-21-16.pdf
 
Fats Thomas ( yes , that one! ) worked for this guy...


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So the unx alum/dentist employs a multiple felon while , among other things , supplying high-end mouthguards to unx athletes. An impermissible benefit ( the least of many , one supposes...)

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Anothert unx alum ( and neighbor ) Dr. Won. Big sports fan too , btw...

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Won had his own issues...


Oral surgeon’s dental license revoked after patient’s death

The N.C. State Dental Board of Examiners ruled last week that a Wake County oral surgeon should not be allowed to practice dentistry in North Carolina after “contributing or causing the death” of one of his patients in 2014.

The board, in a discipline order signed July 28, revoked the dental license of John S. Won, an oral surgeon who works primarily in Cary.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/business/article93999317.html

http://ncdentalboard.org/pdf/Won, John S. - Final Agency Decision 7-28-16.pdf


Hansborough's mom had a gig in the dental school ( we all know how that turned out ) and Fats is all kinds of shady. "Prong" criminally under-reported and Howard ( God rest his soul ) was a part of all of it.
 
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