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Official game day thread- Duke va Kansas

If Evans doesn't get minutes this year he won't stay. He needs to crack the rotation. If Jon doesn't trust him this year why would he stay? I wouldn't. We have more 5 star wings coming in. But I think we will see his minutes increase after the big early games. I do think Harris is a different situation as he is not quite as highly rated as Evans is.
 
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If Evans doesn't get minutes this year he won't stay. He needs to crack the rotation. If Jon doesn't trust him this year why would he stay? I wouldn't. We have more 5 star wings coming in. But I think we will see his minutes increase after the big early games.
I'm hoping so as well. There's no reason he shouldn't be getting minutes.
 
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Haven't watched yet, but looks like it was another extremely physical game against a really experienced and talented team. As disappointing as an L is, these games will serve the young kids well come March.

That said, if there is such a thing as the freshman "wall", Coop and Kon are going to hit it. Ridiculous minutes given the depth Duke is supposed to have. Gotta agree with those calling for Evans, Pat and Harris to get some burn. Who cares if they make mistakes in November? Doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
It doesn’t matter what I would have ran. I don’t understand how this is an argument you’re trying to lead with. If you can’t tell the difference with the set play under 3 seconds with the last two turn overs you’ll always have the Duke blue glasses on.
But you’ve failed to answer my question. Who do you give the ball to in the last minute to initiate some offense? Proctor ? Maybe but he wasn’t exactly attacking . Sion? They were on those two in the last minute . They knew we would run through Flag or Kon or should I say we would have to run plays through them .
If I had to run a play . I would have actually went Mal, Brown, Flag, Kon and Proctor the last minute. That’s two post defenders and rebounders who could give a put back or lob. Flag and Kon to drive the lane and Proctor on the outside . Not capitalizing on Hunter being out and continuing to miss free throws and shots cost Duke .
 
When does Jon learn how to run an offense?
To have the talent we have but look like our O consists of playground pickup ball is very distressing. Related to that, I think Foster is going to see more bench time. But even with him out, we still looked like we had just met each other during warmups. As Shey says, not capitalizing with Dickinson out cost us dearly. The so-called biggest team in the country couldn’t take advantage of that?
 
To have the talent we have but look like our O consists of playground pickup ball is very distressing. Related to that, I think Foster is going to see more bench time. But even with him out, we still looked like we had just met each other during warmups. As Shey says, not capitalizing with Dickinson out cost us dearly. The so-called biggest team in the country couldn’t take advantage of that?
Foster looks like someone that should be playing at East Carolina not Duke. He gives NOTHING on the court, he can’t even hit fts. Our backcourt is a mess, shame coach can’t find minutes for evans/harris whose probably figuring out where they’ll be next year
 
Lousy to lose a close one like that against the top ranked team. I did think we showed some poise by not folding when they came out on fire. We definitely had the deer in the headlights look the first 10 mins. I really think we are lacking point guard leadership right now, and I don't think Foster is the answer. I would like to see more Sion. Kon going 0-8 from 3 is disappointing. Poor execution by Flagg and Kon on those final two possession too. IMHO, it's a one possession loss to a very good team in November. I think the Kentucky loss stings more. Had we gone 2-1 vs Kansas, Kentucky, Arizona instead of 1-2, it's a totally different perspective. A win vs Auburn would right the ship.
 
Duke is at once infuriating and electrifying. Flagg is an incredible player. We can only imagine what he would be like as an upper classman at Duke. He would be unstoppable. But he’s the #1 pick in all likelihood. His 3 point shot and youth are his weaknesses.

Love Malik Brown and Sion James. They were out there in crunch time for a reason.

Kon is an infuriating player. He's crafty and skilled with the ball. But the last two games he’s played he’s had so many drives that ended up as turnovers, blocked shots, or missed shots. He is just not quick enough or strong enough to go inside and win consistently against older athletic players on top tier teams. 2 out of 3 drives are basically a turnover waiting to happen (steal, block, or miss). He has to learn to drive and kick. He did that once late in the game and Proctor nailed it. And his shooting was horrible. Sion and Proctor both are able to nail 3s. Kon has to be a facilitator instead of constantly looking for his own shot. SMH. He also has limitations on D.

He put up 14 shots and no one else had double digits. That just can’t happen. Look at the Box score Scheyer! Pass the ball!

Now, the two man game with Flagg was great. Showed his ability to handle and pass (of course having Flagg and no Dickinson helped there).

Maluach didn’t seem himself. He didn’t get a lot of PT. Was his knee hurting? He just wasn’t that presence he normally is. But Brown was playing some great ball.

Really wish Scheyer would use Brown at the 3-4 alongside Maluach and Flagg for stretches. Drives me nuts why he won’t do that. Our defense would be exceptional. Flagg and Brown can guard the 1-4 spot defensively if needed with their length and quickness. The provide matchup problems on offense. But it seems Scheyer is locked into a rotation and can’t imagine anything different. He’s stubborn just like K was on that kind of thing. I’d like to see Brown at the 4 at least some of the time. He’s so good on defense he was pestering PGs last night.

I thought the Dickinson call was borderline getting tossed. But Brown’s head hitting the floor was bad. However he should have been called for a foul on that drive. He elbowed Brown right in the face! He had so many fouls but because he’s an all American and on KU they won’t foul him out. I hate the business where officials let that go. Scheyer also should have called time out in the hook in the first half. But the worst was the officials called a foul on every play after that like they needed to make up for kicking Dickinson out! If you have to do that why kick him out? They were horrible. If that were 1984 K, he’d have been T’d up.

Generally we played well down the stretch. But Kon haas to play better or take him off the court. It’s not that he’s bad, though his shooting was terrible, but he’s too selfish. He’s not Cooper Flagg.

But it was a great close game despite some poor play. If Kon uses his teammates better we win that game. Scheyer is falling into that same trap K did over and over again. An over reliance on two players and they are freshmen. Year after year. And there are two freshmen 4/5 star players getting 40 minutes on the bench. Come on. Smh.

Our veteran transfers played well generally. Gillis has to hit more 3s.
 
Hey at least they finally got a shot off. Not a good one, but it wasn’t just fumbled away…
cooper fumbled away the ball at 1:00 and kon jumped in the air with 7 seconds and turned it over.

jon’s offense isn’t great. he’s not putting players in great positions. but they’re turning it over. if kon and cooper are our best players, they don’t have good enough decision making to execute late u games. they’re freshmen
 
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did we ever lead in that game? felt like ku thoroughly outplayed us and proctor was the only person the kept us within striking distance
 
I agree with Young about playing Mal, Cooper and Brown at the same time, especially when Dickinson ws bullying us down low. I also agree about Jon’s stubbornness - keeps trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole, and relying on 2 frosh, even if it is still November, isn’t a smart move. Too many other good players on that team to be locked in on 2 guys. We did that with Barrett and Zion, and while that often paid off (but in a couple of critical moments didn’t), we didn’t have the supporting cast then that we have now. However, i don’t agree about Gillis. He can’t hit anything from outside and he’s not going to get his shot inside. I just don’t see the value he adds.
 
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Did no one hear last night that Foster has three pins in his ankle and is still learning how to trust and apppy pressure on it ? He stayed at Duke all summer after surgery to rehab it . He’s still getting back in shape and learning to trust it . That’s probably why we are seeing him attack less than before the injury last season where he was playing good .
Mal got less pt because Brown was pestering Hunter and causing him to turn the ball over away from the basket .

As far as the ejection it was very warranted and the right call. You can’t fall on your back then turn to your left and kick someone dead in the head . And yes he knew he was there he practically fell on Brown . Point in case , Brown was really bothering Hunter on the defensive end and was in his head .
 
I liked the play call with Flagg near end of game. Scheyer put him in the high post which is the best spot to have Flagg IMO. Flagg just fumbled it.
I don’t think calling kneupels number on the last play was smart. He should be out there mostly to spread the floor on offense. Kneuppel is a good player but he can’t beat the level of athletic ability in these big games especially on the drive. I will also say either maluach or James didn’t read the play/drive well and didn’t help the set. But again kneuppel should not be initiating offense IMO. I like kneuppel but Jon has fallen too much in love with him based on what he can do against lesser opponents.
I trust Jon will adjust how he uses the players on this team. I love how he has them committed to defense.
 
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That was a tough one. Jon better start winning these big games soon, I am tired of having multiple losses by Christmas (it's 3 years in a row now.) The play calling down the stretch was abysmal. I understand Jon is a players coach, but run a play, everyone in the world knew we were going to ISO, it was too easy to stop.

-Kon's leash is too long. He is below average defensively and if he isn't hitting 3's than he's a liability. His playmaking was solid down the stretch until the final play though. I'm not sure last night was the game to put Evans in (very physical game) but Kon needed to sit some.
-Foster seems to have lost confidence in his shot. Even the 3 he made, you could hear the crowd/bench yelling "shoot." He needs to gain some confidence. Injuries be damned, these guys are making 6 figures, if he's on the floor that means he is good to go. A lot of guys rehabbed in the offseason, he should be 100% ready.
-Cooper: STOP SPINNING IN THE LANE.
-Brown was amazing and our MVP last night.

This team is so talented. But our 2 stars need to perform like stars at the end of the game. It's early, but Cooper/Kon are nowhere near as dominant as Zion/RJ was. This team has many more weapons though than the 2019 team, but 2019 had a 5 time champion on the sidelines.
 
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Foster still not 100 percent makes sense but then why on earth is he starting?
Or why is Roach at Baylor? I am ignorant to that whole situation but if someone would be so kind as to fill me in because he gave the impression he wanted to stay at Duke. If that is true, I can’t think of one good reason why that didn’t happen, not money, not fit. Nothing because lord knows he is the missing piece to this team. Would have been nice to have a grown grad and junior (Proctor) in the backcourt.
 
Still so disappointed in how the two games ended in the last possession. No way around it, both games were blown when it mattered the most.

A win against Auburn gets us to 2-2 during this insanely difficult early schedule which I think you have to look at as a success. Hopefully we click on Friday in our tune up and Cameron is rocking like it’s 2001 Wednesday of next week.
 
I'm honestly not concerned about who leaves/who stays for next year. I want to win the title THIS YEAR. Our whole team could leave and we could still fill out a solid roster through the portal (see UK.) That was a very physical game last night, until the refs decided to call everything after the Dickinson flagrant. I'm not sure that was the game for Evans, he is absurdly skinny.

Regardless, he better get some burn Friday against Seattle. Keep playing him in these easy games and he should at least be ready by conference play for a physical battle. But if I'm Evans, I'd be pretty annoyed by Kon going 0-7 from 3 and I don't get a chance.
 
I'm honestly not concerned about who leaves/who stays for next year. I want to win the title THIS YEAR. Our whole team could leave and we could still fill out a solid roster through the portal (see UK.) That was a very physical game last night, until the refs decided to call everything after the Dickinson flagrant. I'm not sure that was the game for Evans, he is absurdly skinny.

Regardless, he better get some burn Friday against Seattle. Keep playing him in these easy games and he should at least be ready by conference play for a physical battle. But if I'm Evans, I'd be pretty annoyed by Kon going 0-7 from 3 and I don't get a chance.
Agree. It definitely messes with the players psyche. You sit and you try to believe you're doing everything right and be patient and learning. But then on the other hand, you're thinking I can do just as good as the other guy. You don't want to feel that you're just going to play in "trash time" when we're up 20. It's a balance that I don't think many players can handle especially nowadays the way the transfer portal is.

Jon and his staff needs to figure this out. Not just for this year but for the future classes.
 
None of us like Duke losing, and banners aren’t hung in November, BUT, this is a movie we’ve seen before. Jon is following in K’s steps where you ride the young stars. That seems like the right thing to do, but not when they’re just average ball handlers. It’s made worse because our guards aren’t creating enough. Between Proctor, Sion, and Foster, there was a whopping 4 assists.
I know Kon had 8, but we ran that well dry with the 2 man game with him and Cooper.

I also don’t like seeing three guys log heavy minutes. Especially when we all had the impression we were a deep team, and it’s November.
 
None of us like Duke losing, and banners aren’t hung in November, BUT, this is a movie we’ve seen before. Jon is following in K’s steps where you ride the young stars. That seems like the right thing to do, but not when they’re just average ball handlers. It’s made worse because our guards aren’t creating enough. Between Proctor, Sion, and Foster, there was a whopping 4 assists.
I know Kon had 8, but we ran that well dry with the 2 man game with him and Cooper.

I also don’t like seeing three guys log heavy minutes. Especially when we all had the impression we were a deep team, and it’s November.

Mac,

At this point I would be thrilled if Coach Scheyer went back to having Proctor run the offense. He was fantastic towards the end of the 2023 season when he was manning the Point Guard role and the team vastly improved before losing to Tennessee in the tournament.
 
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That was a tough one. Jon better start winning these big games soon, I am tired of having multiple losses by Christmas (it's 3 years in a row now.) The play calling down the stretch was abysmal. I understand Jon is a players coach, but run a play, everyone in the world knew we were going to ISO, it was too easy to stop.

-Kon's leash is too long. He is below average defensively and if he isn't hitting 3's than he's a liability. His playmaking was solid down the stretch until the final play though. I'm not sure last night was the game to put Evans in (very physical game) but Kon needed to sit some.
-Foster seems to have lost confidence in his shot. Even the 3 he made, you could hear the crowd/bench yelling "shoot." He needs to gain some confidence. Injuries be damned, these guys are making 6 figures, if he's on the floor that means he is good to go. A lot of guys rehabbed in the offseason, he should be 100% ready.
-Cooper: STOP SPINNING IN THE LANE.
-Brown was amazing and our MVP last night.

This team is so talented. But our 2 stars need to perform like stars at the end of the game. It's early, but Cooper/Kon are nowhere near as dominant as Zion/RJ was. This team has many more weapons though than the 2019 team, but 2019 had a 5 time champion on the sidelines.
Unpopular opinion I’m sure by Jon is coaching just like K at the end
 
The formula for success in CBB isnt a secret....Inside presence on both ends, PGs that can score and distribute, slashing althetic PF's and some depth for foul trouble..AND have some of these with experience - we are missing a couple of pieces and have been the last few seasons so its groundhog day until JS figures out a team...not a talented squad. You can already see this happening again next year....as a long time Duke fan its frustrating
 
Did no one hear last night that Foster has three pins in his ankle and is still learning how to trust and apppy pressure on it ? He stayed at Duke all summer after surgery to rehab it . He’s still getting back in shape and learning to trust it . That’s probably why we are seeing him attack less than before the injury last season where he was playing good .
Mal got less pt because Brown was pestering Hunter and causing him to turn the ball over away from the basket .

As far as the ejection it was very warranted and the right call. You can’t fall on your back then turn to your left and kick someone dead in the head . And yes he knew he was there he practically fell on Brown . Point in case , Brown was really bothering Hunter on the defensive end and was in his head .
When they showed a close up on Foster last night, I thought he looked like he was going to throw up. You might be on to something Shey.
 
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Jimbo,

I Believe Proctor and Foster both have the edge to them, they’ve both shown it at times. Proctor’s assist to turnover ratio was very good towards the end of 2023. He’s also be playing with a lot of passion to start this season.

Need Scheyer to push the right buttons to get the edges of both Proctor and Foster to be more visible.

Hope Scheyer starts:

Proctor
James
Flagg
Brown (primary defender on Bohmme)
Maluach

Against Auburn. Can’t afford to get to a slow start a week from tonight. Have to punch Auburn from the onset!
 
Unpopular opinion I’m sure by Jon is coaching just like K at the end
I agree K's coaching left a lot to be desired after the 2015 title. However, he still was good for a couple out of timeout baskets a game. The Zion year he drew up the Reddish 3 game winner at FSU with 1 second left, I have ZERO faith that Jon could draw up a buzzer beater at the moment, heck Jon is 0 for 5 with plenty of time left on the clock. We also NEVER turned the ball over at end of game situations with K, right now we aren't even getting shots up.
 
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Need Scheyer to push the right buttons to get the edges of both Proctor and Foster to be more visible.
This is the department Jon is behind on. I like Cooper, and I understand to a point they hype he gets. But as a Duke fan, I almost get tired of hearing how good he is. Heard the announcers mentioning that Jon told Cooper this is why you chose Duke. Isn’t that why most of them come to Duke?

In my opinion, we defer to Cooper way too much, resulting in the others almost bird watching. That has to change. We can’t be a one or two pony show.

This is on Jon. Unless we love constantly hearing about mock drafts.
 
Jimbo,

I Believe Proctor and Foster both have the edge to them, they’ve both shown it at times. Proctor’s assist to turnover ratio was very good towards the end of 2023. He’s also be playing with a lot of passion to start this season.

Need Scheyer to push the right buttons to get the edges of both Proctor and Foster to be more visible.

Hope Scheyer starts:

Proctor
James
Flagg
Brown (primary defender on Bohmme)
Maluach

Against Auburn. Can’t afford to get to a slow start a week from tonight. Have to punch Auburn from the onset!
I think you could be onto something with that starting lineup against Auburn. I do think Coopers natural position is the 3 and Brown has been a big asset. I’m also super high on Mal and he certainly needs to stay in the starting five.

My only concern with that lineup is Brown and Sion are not the best scorers. That’s why I still lean to Kon starting, even though he has shown he is a freshman and makes freshman mistakes. It’s a tough call for Jon, but he’s the one making $8 mil a year not me!
 
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Agreed Mac! Duke has won the National Championship when “tough minded guards with an edge” have been running the offense as opposed to deferring to Forwards running the offense.

91 & 92 - Hurley
2001 - JWill, Duhon, Ewing
2010 - Scheyer & Smith
2015 - Jones & Cook

All the aforementioned Guards got their teammates involved and were intelligent with their decisions. Scheyer knows this so I don’t know why he is deviating away from having any of his 3 Combo Guards consistently initiating the offense.

Right now the pecking order should be for PG duties.

1) Proctor
2) James
3) Foster

James is playing Tough, Proctor is playing with an edge. If Scheyer can get all 3 of James, Proctor, and Foster playing with an edge consistently then this team takes steps forward with their Development.
 
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Agreed Mac! Duke has won the National Championship when “tough minded guards with an edge” have been running the offense as opposed to deferring to Forwards running the offense.

91 & 92 - Hurley
2001 - JWill, Duhon, Ewing
2010 - Scheyer & Smith
2015 - Jones & Cook

All the aforementioned Guards got their teammates involved and were intelligent with their decisions. Scheyer knows this so I don’t know why he is deviating away from having any of his 3 Combo Guards consistently initiating the offense.

Right now the pecking order should be for PG duties.

1) Proctor
2) James
3) Foster

James is playing Tough, Proctor is playing with an edge. If Scheyer can get all 3 of James, Proctor, and Foster playing with an edge consistently then this team takes steps forward with their Development.
The problem with playing Proctor at PG is he is BY FAR our best off-the-ball shooter. I believe he is now over 60% on catch and shoot three's. I don't have the answer, but I feel it needs to be some combo of the 3. It's safe to say we don't have a true PG, but with 3 solid guards combined with Flagg and Kon, turnovers and getting into an offense shouldn't be the problem IMO.
 
Roach wouldn’t be the answer IMO
I disagree here. As @DukeDallas9192011015 said, we don't have a true point guard. Roach has been in. plenty of situations like our last couple losses and he's made shots to win us the game. He'd be our only guard who can actually break down a defense with his driving to the basket. Even if he misses, he'll draw a couple defenders and give the weak side an opportunity for a rebound/put back.
 
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