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He could’ve recruited someone in high school too.
Aziz Bandaogo would’ve been my pick but I don’t think we reached out. Can you remind me the names?
I just remember shedrick and udeh
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He could’ve recruited someone in high school too.
Aziz Bandaogo would’ve been my pick but I don’t think we reached out. Can you remind me the names?
I just remember shedrick and udeh
Cincinnati is Bandaogo's 3rd school. Doesn't sound like a candidate for transfer to Duke.
We need to hire a transfer portal specialist. That's your job dude. Give us 2 grown men transfers per year. Put a poster of Theo on the wall of your office. We don't need more freshman next year, other than the guys we have already.
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There were also two more I just can’t remember their names but they weren’t going anywhere.
I also think they were under the idea that Reeves would be further along to the point he could contribute with Stewart coming in and Young and Flip returning .
The portal, posters need to remember the players entering it are looking for playing time or more playing time . Duke really didn’t look like the ideal landing spot for a big this past off season . To posters it did with no proven center but to players it really didn’t .
I really hope there isn’t dysfunction amongst the team. I firmly believe that’s why the 2016-2017 team struggled so much throughout the regular season. Allen’s antics, Tatum playing hero ball. Had 3 alphas with Allen, Kennard, and Tatum. It wasn’t until February they started putting it together.
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I think i was spoiled by transfers like Theo John, Dahntay Jones and Roshown McLeod, because i never thought Duke would have a problem bringing in transfers if there was a need. So when i hear we were unable to get a center, it seems wild.
It's more challenging, but it can be done. We clearly do not put the effort into pursuing transfers that we do pursuing 5 stars. A fairly loaded Kansas team got Hunter. It's the game being played right now. It is what it is. I would imagine playing a Theo type role on a final four team would be appealing to a lot of people. We got lucky with guys coming back, but if reports of internal strife are true we may see a big turnover after this year. That said winning cures all and fortunes can turn around quickly.
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All three of those transfers were special, and starters at their previous schools. It's the role of the transfer with 5 star recruits. Theo was recommended by Wojo, Dahntay was Jay Will's friend, and Roshown was recruited.
McCloud played with Battier, Burgess, and Brand their first year. All top 10 guys. It can be done; but you have to sell guys. There are also international guys. Honestly what we need now is a soph. or junior Stewart. I hope freshman Stewart is enough. last year we had 5 freshman in the rotation so growing pains were expected. Not sure why this year has started so poorly. The staff can turn this around but do we even have a solution right now? With Proctor out the freshman need to grow up fast. Young seems to have regressed and Jon has no confidence in Reeves. A senior Henry Coleman is just what this team needs, but alas he chose to transfer. (and last year's team could have used his toughness) A lot more people would know who he was had he stayed; and he would have started his junior and senior years. Maybe it keeps a Mitchell or Whitehead away; but that could have worked out for him. Oh, well.
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What we need to do is get the team on the same page, everyone to play tougher, and for someone to become a freaking dog.
I liked Theo, but he was a foul looking for a place to happen.
I liked Theo, but he was a foul looking for a place to happen.
I'm beginning to think Coach K just had a calming effect on young teams. Other than the Covid year; were you every really worried about the bottom falling out? It seemed like 2nd round Paulus type years were the worst case scenario; or Mercer first round but we were a 5 seed that year. Uncharted waters. He took a lot of the heat for those young teams. Maybe our guys are just feeling the pressure.
The thing with that Chris is you have to try and sell kids on “waiting their turn”, a lot of these kids don’t want to do that especially if they are a highly touted recruit. Coleman didn’t want to play behind Mark and Paolo as a Sophomore.
Roles Need to be Defined:
I know some feel like it’s the same team we saw that went on the 10 game winning streak before losing to Tennessee, but the team is not the same. Lively as some have noted was the rim protector and the lob threat which allowed Flip to play his natural position at the 4 where he is a mismatch for a lot of opponents, also with Lively this allowed Mitchell to play the 3 as opposed to playing the 4 where he has played the majority of this season giving up strength. Last year the team’s roles were defined and Duke had a bigger lineup. Whitehead and Grandison were reliable scoring threats and pretty good perimeter defenders.:
PG - Proctor
SG - Roach
SF - Mitchell
PF - Flip
C - Lively
Bench:
Whitehead
Grandison
Young
Blakes
This season’s team has been playing smaller to start out the season. Imo Flip and Mitchell are both playing out of their natural positions, hence the doubles on Flip and Mitchell does not have the strength nor outside shooting a Justise Winslow had playing the 4. McCain to me definitely does not belong in the starting 5, it seems like he just tries to force his layups. Idk what the solution is, but maybe the coaching staff tries starting a bigger lineup (2 Guards, 2 Forwards, 1 Center) to match up physically and improve the ball movement similar to what we saw with last year’s team.
My ideal starting 5:
PG - Foster (for now) /Proctor (when he is back to 100%)
SG - Roach
SF - Mitchell
PF - Flip
C - Stewart or Reeves (whomever earns it at practice)
Bench:
Reeves or Stewart (whomever doesn’t start)
Power (to spell Mitchell and/or Flip)
Young (to spell the Center spot, 8-10 minutes/game, gets more minutes if the opponent isn’t athletically overwhelming for him, but Stewart & Reeves should be manning the majority of the Center minutes, growing pains be d*****).
Blakes (to spell Foster and/or Roach)
McCain (to spell Foster and/or Roach)
Roach thrives better as a 2 guard as evidenced by the 10 game winning streak Duke went on before falling to Tennessee last season. Roach should only be the point guard if the other guard on the court with him is either Blakes or McCain.
Duke’s PG Depth Chart should be:
1) Proctor (when he is back)
2) Foster
3) Roach
These are just my observations going back to last season and the start of this season. Let’s see what Coach Scheyer and his assistants come up with moving forward. Let’s Go Duke!
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Grandison a reliable defender ? Never saw that but I’ll agree with Whitehead.
IMO , McCain hasn’t shown any of the hype he was given and he should be the first to the bench .
Mitchell until he continues to show the bull dog mentality that he has should split minutes with Stewart and Power.
Reeves should get minutes now especially if you’re playing for March .
There is time to fix things and it starts with Jon getting on every player.
IMO , McCain hasn’t shown any of the hype he was given and he should be the first to the bench .
Mitchell until he continues to show the bull dog mentality that he has should split minutes with Stewart and Power.
Reeves should get minutes now especially if you’re playing for March .
There is time to fix things and it starts with Jon getting on every player.
I think it will be interesting to see who plays the point with Proctor out. If K were still coaching, I bet he would put the ball in Roach's hands being a trusted senior. And, yes, I agree that Roach is a better 2 than 1, but just my line of thinking. It would not be the first time Duke slid a 2 into the 1 position out of necessity.
Seems to me our freshman guards are underperforming a bit. Yes, I also agree they are 18 year olds playing against 22-23 year olds in some cases. Hopefully they grow up quick!
Seems to me our freshman guards are underperforming a bit. Yes, I also agree they are 18 year olds playing against 22-23 year olds in some cases. Hopefully they grow up quick!
Which is something Jon should have foreseen, recruited for via the portal, and prepared for schematically. OFC
I don't think it's that easy. I think it is very hard for Duke to qualify transfers due to limits on credits being transferred. And not a lot of graduate students want to compete for time with 5 star recruits.
I do agree however that right now, the game is being dominated by older guys. I watched the Houston game the other day and they are grown men. Same with Seton Hall and Baylor last night. I'm really worried about the Baylor game. It's going to be another men against boys game.
I just hope that our freshmen will progress as the season goes on like Proctor did last year. Proctor was much tougher by the time March rolled around. I don't think McCain and Foster were ready for the difference in physicality.
I do agree however that right now, the game is being dominated by older guys. I watched the Houston game the other day and they are grown men. Same with Seton Hall and Baylor last night. I'm really worried about the Baylor game. It's going to be another men against boys game.
I just hope that our freshmen will progress as the season goes on like Proctor did last year. Proctor was much tougher by the time March rolled around. I don't think McCain and Foster were ready for the difference in physicality.
Grandison never got relaxed. It was going to take time for him to switch roles from U of I to Duke. His biggest impact was in the locker room and on the bench. Maturity.
Excellent analysis.
As I continue to say, this comes down to trusting your personnel. Duke have the talent and players. You must play these boys at their natural positions to get the most out of them.
I appreciate the idea of the ball being in Roach's hand, but we need Roach's scoring.
Last year's team never needed Grandison or Whitehead to play at a 100%. Both guys were a luxury to have on the team.
Well we kind of did against Tennessee.
I'm getting tired of getting manhandled by these physical teams, and I suspect Baylor will be more of the same. But we have a decent shot of winning our other upcoming games if the team comes together. I'd play Roach and Blakes together. Maybe Foster, Stewart and Flip. We have a very dull predictable static offense at the moment and we don't have a lot of Banchero type make your own play guys other than Flip and Roach. This team could make a statement by beating Baylor. I suspect we come close but fall short.
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Until we get tougher and start playing as a team, it doesn't matter who we put on the court.
This I agree with. A lot of the K teams at the end of his run I felt like we didn’t run an offense. It was “get the ball to the best player and get out of the way.” Which, when you have a Tatum, Bagley, Zion, or Banchero that will work and you can create things off of that.Well we kind of did against Tennessee.
I'm getting tired of getting manhandled by these physical teams, and I suspect Baylor will be more of the same. But we have a decent shot of winning our other upcoming games if the team comes together. I'd play Roach and Blakes together. Maybe Foster, Stewart and Flip. We have a very dull predictable static offense at the moment and we don't have a lot of Banchero type make your own play guys other than Flip and Roach. This team could make a statement by beating Baylor. I suspect we come close but fall short.
I love Flip, but he isn’t those guys, he still needs plays ran for him and for guys to get him the ball in spots where he can score from (when he tries to do it all on his own, he usually falls down near the basket and we give up a score.)
Forever the Duke play was the high ball screen at the top of the key and our guards work off of that. From Jay Williams to Duhon to Scheyer/Nolan to Tyus, the top of the key 3 was a Duke staple, that is long gone. I’m so tired of our guy’s dribbling into the lane and having no idea what to do. We need to revamp our offense, quickly.
The TN game might've been a lack of preparation on top of the fact they were physically bigger and older.Well we kind of did against Tennessee.
I'm getting tired of getting manhandled by these physical teams, and I suspect Baylor will be more of the same. But we have a decent shot of winning our other upcoming games if the team comes together. I'd play Roach and Blakes together. Maybe Foster, Stewart and Flip. We have a very dull predictable static offense at the moment and we don't have a lot of Banchero type make your own play guys other than Flip and Roach. This team could make a statement by beating Baylor. I suspect we come close but fall short.
Jay and Duhon had Boozer and Shane. Jon/Nolan had Kyle/Thomas. Tyus/Cook had Oak/Jefferson/Winslow. Different types of bodies and experience.
Yeah it was great having Zion, RJ, Bagley, Tatum, JJ. Great scorers. But the problem is the rest of the team is standing around waiting on them to make something happen.
We have to start playing together and tougher. Simple as that. UConn does both of these. Duke doesn't.
We have to start playing together and tougher. Simple as that. UConn does both of these. Duke doesn't.
He was brought in for his shooting capability and made a good defensive play every great once and awhile . I was just never sold on him .
Duke can get grad transfers, but where have they come from? Places like Northwestern, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Illinois and Marquette. No bozo schools.
Don't think they can get undergrad transfers with 1 or 2 years left. Duke requires that 70ish % of credits be earned at Duke to get a degree. Doubt they would accept a student that has no reasonable expectation of meeting degree requirements in the 1 or 2 years they'd be there.
One major off-court contribution. He called the players-only meeting after getting destroyed by Miami.
Some good, constructive posts today. I don't know what the answer is but we do have 6 guys who won the ACC championship. We need effort, toughness, chemistry, and for Jon to make some adjustments. I'd just like to see improvement. We also don't have Proctor, so that can bond a team or make it worse. I suspect we play better, but that may limit our ceiling for the time being. Mitchell playing better will help as well; he's been all over the map so far.
Three more days until we see what changes if any were made. The changes will tell it all IMO and i am being patient.
Gonzaga played Ark. Pine Bluff last night. They were up 28-2. Game over. You can't let these mid majors hang around. I imagine we beat Charlotte, but I'd like to see us flex our muscles a bit. Lose to Charlotte and Jon will have much bigger problems than our message board, but I can't see that happening. If the game is close in the second half our guys will really start to feel the pressure, so best to put them away early.
***Harper commits to Rutgers. Big get for them.
***Harper commits to Rutgers. Big get for them.
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Next two games may be more difficult than we think. Charlotte is #114 on KenPom and Hofstra is #102.
Georgia tech is #128. Oh boy
Georgia tech is #128. Oh boy
Gt is one behind Umass-Lowell which makes sense since they lost to them by three. Lost to Uga by 14 and Cincy by 35, beat Howard by 3. Road games are gonna be Jack and Coke kind of nights this year
If we come out with yet another slow start, both could be trouble. Let's hope the team has bought in so far this week to Scheyer's plan.
OFC
Is it me or does the smallest guy in the rotation have the biggest heart (Roach)? Or is it the Miller Lite talking?
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