so Dave Clawson stepping down into another role at wake per pete thamel

Mac9192 said:

I said Biden wasn't fit from day 1. FACT
I said Kamala was even worse than Biden. FACT
I said that there were a lot more to Jan 6 than we were told. FACT
I said the msm has been corrupt for a long time. FACT
I said Covid, though real, was a planned virus meant to wreak intentional havoc. FACT

**This one hasn't been proven yet, but it will one day** In Obama's two wins, the most votes he got was 69 million, yet we are supposed to believe that an old man whose mind was already failing, got 81 million. Biden couldn't even fill up a high school gym with supporters.

You still argue every one of these that I mentioned.

I don't claim to be a smart guy. But with our current state of affairs, I run circles around you. Why? Because I quit playing party politics years ago. You haven't.

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* President Biden was and is more fit than you've ever accepted, which is not difficult because you buried the bar underground.
* VP Harris was a far better candidate for 2024.
* There's nothing of significance about January 6th that changes it from anything but a 100% embarrassment for Trump supporters. The Inspector General's report confirms this.
* MSM is compromised, not necessarily corrupt, and they're still world's more credible than the junk you cite.
* There is no evidence that Covid was deliberately released.
* Voter turnout was considerably higher in 2020 due to the broader use of absentee and mail-in ballots. And it was during a pandemic that had most of us locked down to some degree, so all kinds of obstacles and distractions that usually exist didn't. There was also a very strong anti-Trump voting block in 2020; it didn't matter who was running against him.

Everything you stated was an opinion. Not facts. Opinions. Of my responses, #1, 2, and 4 are opinions that I own and stand by. #3, 5, and 6 are rooted in facts and logic. Yeah, I'm not conceding a single one of them as written, but you're so unhinged you don't actually know what I, personally, have argued from day 1, so screw your "still argue."

The first bits of evidence that you're not a smart guy are your extremist hyperbole and loose grasp of what words mean. Calling those statements facts is an obvious example. And the only way you aren't playing party politics is that party politics are actually playing you. You regurgitate every distortion and misinformation nugget you gobble down from the rightwing conspiracy theorists you think are doing real journalism.

We are 1/4th through the men's college basketball season. At this point, what do you like about this season’s Blue Devils? What would you like to witness the Blue Devils Improve on?

Likes: The high level of defense Duke is playing. Scheyer consistently playing 9 guys.

Needs Improvement: Need to stop with the slow starts in games. Need to straighten out the weak pick n roll and back door cut defense. The 3 point shooting needs to improve. Initiate the offense from inside-out to keep opponents honest on the defensive end. Less minutes for Kon, more minutes for Evans. Kon and Evans to improve as Defenders. Brown, Mal, Big Pat, and Gillis to be more aggressive on the offensive end (look to score and if it’s not there then pass it out). More minutes for Big Pat so he can be comfortable once February arrives and Duke has 4 Forwards in the Bigs Rotation and potentially Duke would be able to move Flagg to garner the majority of his minutes from the SF Position (his more natural role).

Go Duke!

GhostOf301 said:

He was not acting from a place of authority in order to punish Neely. He was acting as a good Samaritan in order to protect the woman/people who Neely was threatening to kill. A good Samaritan, not a vigilante. Vigilantes search for situations to insert themselves into. I seriously doubt that Penny was looking for someone to hurt that day.

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I'm not interested in arguing about the textbook definition of what a vigilante is.

Dattier said:

He did not have the legal authority to impose consequences. That's the very definition of vigilantism. What you're saying is that some vigilantism is acceptable and I'll concede that, as well.

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He was not acting from a place of authority in order to punish Neely. He was acting as a good Samaritan in order to protect the woman/people who Neely was threatening to kill. A good Samaritan, not a vigilante. Vigilantes search for situations to insert themselves into. I seriously doubt that Penny was looking for someone to hurt that day.

Dattier said:

I am far, far, far more correct than you are.

We've "pounded" you because you believe ridiculous, false things, like the election's having been stolen and antifa having set up the insurrection. Now you're citing the Inspector General's report as evidence of something it specifically says did not happen.

MSM has a lot of problems. We've discussed them pretty cordially recently. The solution to what's wrong w/ MSM is not to replace them w/ news you like better that is no less biased and far less credible. You're acting like truth and power are the same thing and should be the same thing.

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I said Biden wasn't fit from day 1. FACT
I said Kamala was even worse than Biden. FACT
I said that there were a lot more to Jan 6 than we were told. FACT
I said the msm has been corrupt for a long time. FACT
I said Covid, though real, was a planned virus meant to wreak intentional havoc. FACT

**This one hasn't been proven yet, but it will one day** In Obama's two wins, the most votes he got was 69 million, yet we are supposed to believe that an old man whose mind was already failing, got 81 million. Biden couldn't even fill up a high school gym with supporters.

You still argue every one of these that I mentioned.

I don't claim to be a smart guy. But with our current state of affairs, I run circles around you. Why? Because I quit playing party politics years ago. You haven't.

KDSTONE said:

Very telling and also pretty much a given at this point. A broken clock is right more often.
Typical liberal backtracking: At first it’s: The FBI didn’t take part in Jan 6. Anyone who thinks that is a conspiracy nut.
A few years later: Well, the FBI may have been there, but they weren’t leading the “insurrection”. A couple years from now: Well, the FBI may have led the insurrection but that’s not as bad as that time that Trump…….

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Did everyone who entered the Capitol get charged? Or were there some people who followed others in, but weren't charged because they (wait for it...) didn't take part in the looting and destruction?

The FBI didn't "take part." There were 26 non-payroll CIs on site, instructed not to participate in criminal behavior. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that nearly every political demonstration in DC of thousands of people has a few undercover whatevers among them. Their mere presence is a nothingburger.

And in the bold, you're again speaking something into existence to get all riled up about. Didn't happen.

Mac9192 said:

Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

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I am far, far, far more correct than you are.

We've "pounded" you because you believe ridiculous, false things, like the election's having been stolen and antifa having set up the insurrection. Now you're citing the Inspector General's report as evidence of something it specifically says did not happen.

MSM has a lot of problems. We've discussed them pretty cordially recently. The solution to what's wrong w/ MSM is not to replace them w/ news you like better that is no less biased and far less credible. You're acting like truth and power are the same thing and should be the same thing.

Mac9192 said:

Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

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Very telling and also pretty much a given at this point. A broken clock is right more often.
Typical liberal backtracking: At first it’s: The FBI didn’t take part in Jan 6. Anyone who thinks that is a conspiracy nut.
A few years later: Well, the FBI may have been there, but they weren’t leading the “insurrection”. A couple years from now: Well, the FBI may have led the insurrection but that’s not as bad as that time that Trump…….

GhostOf301 said:

What Daniel Penny did was not vigilantism. He stepped in and protected the public from a deranged, violent threat. He was morally correct in what he did.

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He did not have the legal authority to impose consequences. That's the very definition of vigilantism. What you're saying is that some vigilantism is acceptable and I'll concede that, as well.

GhostOf301 said:

Why especially? Because they were sent by a federal agency that is supposed to be protecting Americans to stir up the crowd in order to create the maximum optical effect. If they weren't doing what they were told, then why weren't they arrested like everyone else that did the same thing? You can choose to trust the FBI, but they keep giving you reason after reason not to.

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The 26 of them were sent in to stir up a crowd of several thousands? According to whom? That's not what the Inspector General's report said. The 13 people who "only" breached the barricades outside were not charged, just like 100s of others who "only" breached the barricades outside. I don't have the answer as to why the 4 who entered the Capitol were not charged. Was everyone else who entered the Capitol charged?

GhostOf301 said:

In your bolded part that you responded to, you purposefully left out an important part of my statement.

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The conditions around your understanding why someone would want to kill a CEO? That part? I purposefully left it out, yes, but because I didn't really think it was that important. Regardless, you're saying murder is wrong... but you understand why some would feel the urge. Which is exactly what AOC said, and exactly what @KDSTONE is wagging his jowls at me about.

Dattier said:

What has been proven? If they were instructed to enter the Capitol, how come only 4 of them did? Out of more than 2000 total people who entered the Capitol, only 4 FBI CIs did. Where are you getting this info from, that their purpose was to make Trump supporters look bad? How many people were at the rally total? How did 26 FBI CIs -- only 4 of whom entered the Capitol and only 13 more who breached the outside barricade -- how did they make Trump supporters look so bad?

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Listen to yourself. For years, the left has shouting that it was only Trump supporters that went in, and you guys called us all liars. You guys pounded us because up until recently, the msm still had major control. THE TIDE HAS CHANGED.

Now you're sitting here claiming it was only 4 that made it in, and 13 that breached the barricade.

But even if you are right on your claim (which you aren't), then something very telling just happened.

WHICH IS:

***YOU WERE WRONG FROM THE START***

Dattier said:

Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.

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In your bolded part that you responded to, you purposefully left out an important part of my statement.

Dattier said:

Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

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Why especially? Because they were sent by a federal agency that is supposed to be protecting Americans to stir up the crowd in order to create the maximum optical effect. If they weren't doing what they were told, then why weren't they arrested like everyone else that did the same thing? You can choose to trust the FBI, but they keep giving you reason after reason not to.

Dattier said:

The NYC BLM leader you paraphrased is advocating for the same kind of vigilantism you're cool w/ when it comes from Daniel Penny.

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What Daniel Penny did was not vigilantism. He stepped in and protected the public from a deranged, violent threat. He was morally correct in what he did.

Mac9192 said:

They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.

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What has been proven? If they were instructed to enter the Capitol, how come only 4 of them did? Out of more than 2000 total people who entered the Capitol, only 4 FBI CIs did. Where are you getting this info from, that their purpose was to make Trump supporters look bad? How many people were at the rally total? How did 26 FBI CIs -- only 4 of whom entered the Capitol and only 13 more who breached the outside barricade -- how did they make Trump supporters look so bad?

Dattier said:

Yes. Yes, I would like you to explain why they were there. Thanks in advance.

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Dattier said:

Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

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They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.

GhostOf301 said:

Yes. Everyone who was involved in violence and who disrupted Congress on January 6th was in the wrong. Including and especially the people put there by the FBI.

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Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.

Mac9192 said:

I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.

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Yes. Yes, I would like you to explain why they were there. Thanks in advance.

KDSTONE said:

“I don’t know anything about the drones”. Been all over the news for days.
An admission that you get your news from a college basketball message board.
Why do we respond to this cat again?

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I learned Michael Jackson died when I overheard kids playing frisbee on Duke East mention it. Does that mean I get my news from teenaged nerds?

KDSTONE said:

“Hardly an innocent”. And there it is. You ARE in the Murder is wrong BUT camp.
Knew it

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Just like @GhostOf301

KDSTONE said:

If anyone dared say George Floyd was anything but a saint, that person was immediately vilified and yet you impugn this victim’s character without batting an eye. Predictable double standard, the stock in trade of a befuddled Leftist

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The right has made light of George Floyd's death and brought up every victim's imperfections for years. Trayvon Martin shouldn't have approached George Zimmerman; the people around Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have spooked him; Eric Garner was lying about not being able to breathe and died due to preexisting conditions; Botham Jean shouldn't have been high in his own apartment when a Dallas police officer walked into the wrong apt and shot him. And on and on and on.

But a CEO who is indirectly responsible for who knows how many hundreds or thousands of deaths gets a pass.

The double-standard is that only your side is allowed to have a double-standard.

GhostOf301 said:

Thank you for this tidbit of history. I do not support the NRA. Anything else?

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The NYC BLM leader you paraphrased is advocating for the same kind of vigilantism you're cool w/ when it comes from Daniel Penny.

GhostOf301 said:

This is an odd post.

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The right hates people for their job titles and champion lowlifes, too, just like you claim the left does.

GhostOf301 said:

I have no love for insurance companies or the people who get rich off other people's suffering. That doesn't mean that I support someone's decision to murder them. I do, however, understand the desire to if you were someone directly affected by their wrongdoing. I would have rather seen that man held accountable by the law and have his actions be exposed without the privilege of being a victim. I must say, I know the left doesn't believe in slippery slopes. But there is a laundry list of reasons to support the killers and justify their actions if we want to blame the victims. There's a difference between being innocent according to the law and being an innocent victim of murder.

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Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.