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GhostOf301
Dattier said:
Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.
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In your bolded part that you responded to, you purposefully left out an important part of my statement.
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GhostOf301
Dattier said:
Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.
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Why especially? Because they were sent by a federal agency that is supposed to be protecting Americans to stir up the crowd in order to create the maximum optical effect. If they weren't doing what they were told, then why weren't they arrested like everyone else that did the same thing? You can choose to trust the FBI, but they keep giving you reason after reason not to.
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Dattier
Mac9192 said:
They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.
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What has been proven? If they were instructed to enter the Capitol, how come only 4 of them did? Out of more than 2000 total people who entered the Capitol, only 4 FBI CIs did. Where are you getting this info from, that their purpose was to make Trump supporters look bad? How many people were at the rally total? How did 26 FBI CIs -- only 4 of whom entered the Capitol and only 13 more who breached the outside barricade -- how did they make Trump supporters look so bad?
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Dattier said:
Yes. Yes, I would like you to explain why they were there. Thanks in advance.
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Dattier said:
Why "especially"? They weren't FBI employees. They were CIs. They were not authorized by the FBI to enter the Capitol or break any laws.
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They were PLANTED there to make things look worse for the Trump supporters, and they WERE INSTRUCTED to enter the Capitol. This was a coup. Datt, after all that's been proven in the last several months, you still resist what we claim.

This saying isn't the truth all the time, but it's closer to the truth than being a lie: Do you know the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth? SIX MONTHS.
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Dattier
KDSTONE said:
“Hardly an innocent”. And there it is. You ARE in the Murder is wrong BUT camp.
Knew it
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Just like @GhostOf301

KDSTONE said:
If anyone dared say George Floyd was anything but a saint, that person was immediately vilified and yet you impugn this victim’s character without batting an eye. Predictable double standard, the stock in trade of a befuddled Leftist
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The right has made light of George Floyd's death and brought up every victim's imperfections for years. Trayvon Martin shouldn't have approached George Zimmerman; the people around Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have spooked him; Eric Garner was lying about not being able to breathe and died due to preexisting conditions; Botham Jean shouldn't have been high in his own apartment when a Dallas police officer walked into the wrong apt and shot him. And on and on and on.

But a CEO who is indirectly responsible for who knows how many hundreds or thousands of deaths gets a pass.

The double-standard is that only your side is allowed to have a double-standard.
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Dattier
GhostOf301 said:
I have no love for insurance companies or the people who get rich off other people's suffering. That doesn't mean that I support someone's decision to murder them. I do, however, understand the desire to if you were someone directly affected by their wrongdoing. I would have rather seen that man held accountable by the law and have his actions be exposed without the privilege of being a victim. I must say, I know the left doesn't believe in slippery slopes. But there is a laundry list of reasons to support the killers and justify their actions if we want to blame the victims. There's a difference between being innocent according to the law and being an innocent victim of murder.
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Uh-oh! @KDSTONE is gonna lump you in w/ AOC for condemning murder but being able to empathize.

We believe in slippery slopes when it's convenient, just like conservatives don't believe in them when it's convenient.

Historically, change hasn't happened without violence. The establishment benefits from the status quo and won't do anything to change it until they're forced. I have little doubt that had he lived, Thompson could afford lawyers to get him out of nearly any jam. Politicians who accept huge campaign donations from health insurers and pharmaceutical companies aren't going to do anything to change the system. If shareholders are happy, CEOs make more money. One CEO being assassinated in the street is a jarring spectacle, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the lives lost due to health insurers who care more about their own profits than others' health.
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GhostOf301
Mac9192 said:
Read this slowly Datt: I have always said Trump supporters were in the wrong. Personally, I think this was a huge mistake by Trump to have held the rally there. But, I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.
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Yes. Everyone who was involved in violence and who disrupted Congress on January 6th was in the wrong. Including and especially the people put there by the FBI.
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GhostOf301
Dattier said:
What about them? If you're claiming they led the insurrection or encouraged others to riot or that they planned it, you are lying.
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He would be lying if he said that they led the insurrection. Because there was never anything close to an insurrection to begin with. This is made obvious by the fact that not a single person was charged for being an insurrectionist.
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M
Dattier said:
What about them? If you're claiming they led the insurrection or encouraged others to riot or that they planned it, you are lying.
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Read this slowly Datt: I have always said Trump supporters were in the wrong. Personally, I think this was a huge mistake by Trump to have held the rally there. But, I have also always said that there were hacks POSING AS TRUMP SUPPORTERS TOO. Would you like for me to explain why they were there? Deep down, you know. It just sucks to have to admit it.
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K
Dattier said:
I didn't think my response was particularly angry or offended. And calling the only regular liberal a control freak when he wades into this conservative hootenanny is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know anything about the drones. I hadn't heard about it at all until I saw it mentioned here.

If we value different things, we're going to choose different heroes.

The late Brian Thompson was being sued for insider trading and drew strong criticism for instituting policies to deny health insurance claims for the sake of shareholders. He cared more about shareholders than he did about the health of the people who used his company for coverage. That's what's called "soft violence." Look it up. Someone needs a life-saving medical procedure and you deny it, you're essentially killing them. Politicians and corporations commit violence all the time with the stroke of a pen. Hardly an innocent.
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“I don’t know anything about the drones”. Been all over the news for days.
An admission that you get your news from a college basketball message board.
Why do we respond to this cat again?
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K
Mac9192 said:
As msm is losing viewers to social media, fewer are biting on the garbage they're spewing. Rachel Maddow has lost over a million viewers, left wingers like Van Jones, Bill Maher, and several others, are admitting that the public aren't watching them anymore. Joe Rogan is mopping the floor with them.

How about the reports that there was 26? FBI personnel acting as Trump supporters on Jan 6th? There were many of us called liars for saying these things 4 years ago.

We all know the corruption in DC has been there, but now the outlets covering the stories are bigger than the liars that have been squashing the stories.
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Some have called it Trump Detachment Syndrome. His election is too horrific to deal with so the Left has turned off the news entirely. Supposedly, they’re volunteering with local Big Brothers, planting trees, and picking up trash and the like. I’d wager a good many are sitting around smoking dope and listening to their old emo records
Re: the Jan 6 infiltration by the FBI, yet another conspiracy theory is turning into reality
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GhostOf301
Dattier said:
I didn't think my response was particularly angry or offended. And calling the only regular liberal a control freak when he wades into this conservative hootenanny is pretty ridiculous.

I don't know anything about the drones. I hadn't heard about it at all until I saw it mentioned here.

If we value different things, we're going to choose different heroes.

The late Brian Thompson was being sued for insider trading and drew strong criticism for instituting policies to deny health insurance claims for the sake of shareholders. He cared more about shareholders than he did about the health of the people who used his company for coverage. That's what's called "soft violence." Look it up. Someone needs a life-saving medical procedure and you deny it, you're essentially killing them. Politicians and corporations commit violence all the time with the stroke of a pen. Hardly an innocent.
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I have no love for insurance companies or the people who get rich off other people's suffering. That doesn't mean that I support someone's decision to murder them. I do, however, understand the desire to if you were someone directly affected by their wrongdoing. I would have rather seen that man held accountable by the law and have his actions be exposed without the privilege of being a victim. I must say, I know the left doesn't believe in slippery slopes. But there is a laundry list of reasons to support the killers and justify their actions if we want to blame the victims. There's a difference between being innocent according to the law and being an innocent victim of murder.
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