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[Dattier]

The "tell me this without telling me this" thing is getting overused here. Also, why are we being weird with a Ben Shapiro video? What's the gain? I don't need to watch the video to know that he dominated Harris supporters. Because Harris supporters are mindless sheep who can't articulate their reasons for supporting her. Mainly due to the fact that there isn't an objective reason to support her to articulate.

I like the Shapiro debates on the history of Palestine and Israel. A lot of the people he debates on that subject provide good thought and knowledge. Of course on most aspects, they both can't be right. I tend to agree with Shapiro, not just because he is a conservative, but because he is more convincing to me. I haven't watched too many of his videos involving American Politics.

This isn't a debate, but I found it to be a solid breakdown on the history of Israel/Palestinian conflicts.

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Yes, well, apologies for using that format twice in 24 hours.

I think conservatives would genuinely enjoy the Ben Shapiro video. My question is whether you would acknowledge any appreciation for anything said by anyone else, as I have clarified a couple times now. I mean, geez, it would almost qualify as a moral victory for y'all to admit he beat them 134-1 because you'd at least be admitting they scored a single point, which is more than most of you ever offer.

Thanks for the video rec. I might get around to it. I trust Shapiro's intellect and knowledge. I do not trust his objectivity. I suspect I would find the video informative, but not as convincing as you do.

 

[Dattier]

But Mommy he called them dumb first. You’re the one who brought their intelligence to the fore. I was going to go with indoctrinated

Uhhh... if you factually called or implied someone is dumb first... and I let that slide... then you try to call me on doing the same thing (ie, telling "mommy"), a "but mommy" response is entirely warranted and logical. Repeat: I didn't whine about it until you whined about my doing it while ignoring that you did the same thing.

Look, if we're going to sling mud here, fine. I'm game. If not, also fine. But don't initiate it, then complain that I'm playing the game the same way.

 

[Dattier]

All the countries surrounding Israel want to destroy it. It’s hard to have a conversation about Israel without acknowledging their unique situation It’s also difficult to discuss the topic seriously when one side throws around words like genocide and apartheid without knowing what they mean. Occasionally, you’ll find an Islamist or Leftist who has some clue about Israel’s recreation in 48 but not often.
67% of historical Palestine is now the state of Jordan. Gaza and the West Bank ( Judea and Samaria) are majority Arab and Israel is majority Jewish. Yes many Arabs were expelled or voluntarily left in 48 after the armies of the Mid East lost the first of many wars to Israel.
The Arabs were offfered a state in 48 along with another state which is now called Jordan. The Arabs got most of the land, Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran once, and they still responded with war.
You hear a lot of talk of occupation from Obama and his ilk. He knows full well Hamas has run Gaza since 2006. So when you hear the Left talk of occupation, this is code for expel the Jews from the only country they haven’t already been kicked out of. Expel if they’re lucky that is. Many would receive a crueler fate. Meanwhile Muslims in Europe are chanting that Jews “ go back to where they come from”. I’m a little confused as to where that is since Muslims also claim Jews have no religious or historical ties to Israel.

For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.

 

[KDSTONE]

For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.

Exaggerated? It’s nonexistent. Half of the alleged 40,000 killed are terrorists according to the IDF. The 40,000 # comes from Hamas’ Health Ministry. The anti- Israel ICJ has already determined there’s no genocide.
Re: the other 20,000 a large % of those are civilians harboring terrorists, civilians storing weaponry in their homes such as was just discovered en masse in southern Lebanon, or civilians used as human shields by Hamas’ design to create maximum casualties to stir up international outrage against Israel. This strategy only works if you have a leftist media like the BBC and CNN willing to cultivate the lies.
The civilian: combatant casualty ratio in Gaza is one of the lowest in modern history and is lower than the US’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the fact that Gazans are used as human shields and Hamas embeds its military operations in schools and hospitals

 

[KDSTONE]

For the record, the rhetoric about genocide and apartheid so frequently used by people on my side of the aisle is largely exaggerated and does not help the discussion. I'll own that and that alone.

Unfortunately, when there’s a terrorist attack in this country again and it’s determined they came across the southern border, your side will have some ‘splainin to do then as well. The Blame Trump for everything game ain’t cuttin it no more ( I wrote that in a fake Black accent Kamala style)

 

[KDSTONE]

Yes, well, apologies for using that format twice in 24 hours.

I think conservatives would genuinely enjoy the Ben Shapiro video. My question is whether you would acknowledge any appreciation for anything said by anyone else, as I have clarified a couple times now. I mean, geez, it would almost qualify as a moral victory for y'all to admit he beat them 134-1 because you'd at least be admitting they scored a single point, which is more than most of you ever offer.

Thanks for the video rec. I might get around to it. I trust Shapiro's intellect and knowledge. I do not trust his objectivity. I suspect I would find the video informative, but not as convincing as you do.

And yet you so often acknowledge good points we’ve made. It’s getting harder and harder to tell if you’re serious or trolling

 

[GhostOf301]

All the countries surrounding Israel want to destroy it. It’s hard to have a conversation about Israel without acknowledging their unique situation It’s also difficult to discuss the topic seriously when one side throws around words like genocide and apartheid without knowing what they mean. Occasionally, you’ll find an Islamist or Leftist who has some clue about Israel’s recreation in 48 but not often.
67% of historical Palestine is now the state of Jordan. Gaza and the West Bank ( Judea and Samaria) are majority Arab and Israel is majority Jewish. Yes many Arabs were expelled or voluntarily left in 48 after the armies of the Mid East lost the first of many wars to Israel.
The Arabs were offfered a state in 48 along with another state which is now called Jordan. The Arabs got most of the land, Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Quran once, and they still responded with war.
You hear a lot of talk of occupation from Obama and his ilk. He knows full well Hamas has run Gaza since 2006. So when you hear the Left talk of occupation, this is code for expel the Jews from the only country they haven’t already been kicked out of. Expel if they’re lucky that is. Many would receive a crueler fate. Meanwhile Muslims in Europe are chanting that Jews “ go back to where they come from”. I’m a little confused as to where that is since Muslims also claim Jews have no religious or historical ties to Israel.

I have found studying the history of Israeli Jews to be very fascinating. But the history of Palestine is even more interesting because of how relatively recent it starts and how different the history is told by opposing sides. When people defend the Palestinians as if they are victims, they know nothing about their history. They are victims, but they're victims of their own people and who they support. They've been forced out of every country they had a significant number of people in because they don't accept the rule of the land and they are obsessed with war. They've caused civil wars everywhere They've been. Of all of the Arab nations who condemned Israel, not a single one accepted Palestinian refugees. Egypt even threatened death to those who tried to cross over. They want nothing to do with Palestinians. Palestinians by large numbers, support Hamas. They are taught at a young age to be radical and to hate Israel. Until there is a major shift in culture where they focus on the betterment of their own people, there will always be conflict. It's a shame. Because they live in a literal paradise, but make it hell.

 

[KDSTONE]

I talk to my gardener about politics all the time as well. Although in the interest of full disclosure, I’m not sure he understands what I’m saying. If he ever considered learning English, he’s probably having second thoughts

 

[GhostOf301]

Yes, well, apologies for using that format twice in 24 hours.

I think conservatives would genuinely enjoy the Ben Shapiro video. My question is whether you would acknowledge any appreciation for anything said by anyone else, as I have clarified a couple times now. I mean, geez, it would almost qualify as a moral victory for y'all to admit he beat them 134-1 because you'd at least be admitting they scored a single point, which is more than most of you ever offer.

Thanks for the video rec. I might get around to it. I trust Shapiro's intellect and knowledge. I do not trust his objectivity. I suspect I would find the video informative, but not as convincing as you do.

I don't know why it is important to give people a cookie for a single good point when the arguments are won or lost based on all the points combined. Of course, this is my opinion. But I will download your video and watch it on my flight on Tuesday if I don't get to it this evening while in my office. Depends on how busy we are tonight.

 

[KDSTONE]

I have found studying the history of Israeli Jews to be very fascinating. But the history of Palestine is even more interesting because of how relatively recent it starts and how different the history is told by opposing sides. When people defend the Palestinians as if they are victims, they know nothing about their history. They are victims, but they're victims of their own people and who they support. They've been forced out of every country they had a significant number of people in because they don't accept the rule of the land and they are obsessed with war. They've caused civil wars everywhere They've been. Of all of the Arab nations who condemned Israel, not a single one accepted Palestinian refugees. Egypt even threatened death to those who tried to cross over. They want nothing to do with Palestinians. Palestinians by large numbers, support Hamas. They are taught at a young age to be radical and to hate Israel. Until there is a major shift in culture where they focus on the betterment of their own people, there will always be conflict. It's a shame. Because they live in a literal paradise, but make it hell.

The other Muslim countries want nothing to do with the “Palestinians” ( concept invented by Arafat; before that the word wasn’t used to exclusively describe Arabs) but they ( with the help of the UN) want them to remain permanent refugees as a weapon in the propaganda war against Israel. The goal is to change other refugees’ status ASAP. With UnRHWA the goal is the status quo. They claim they want the “right of return” when a lot of these people actually moved to the region after 1948. if these refugees were ever moved into Israel it would mean the end of Israel. Most of the 2 million Arabs living in Israel haven’t been radicalized like the refugees have

 

[GhostOf301]

Not really related to the topic, but this guy's has some pretty good content on YouTube Godlogic.

Most of his videos are civil conversations, some are more confrontational. This one is long and there is a follow up. But if y'all are interested.

 

[GhostOf301]

The other Muslim countries want nothing to do with the “Palestinians” ( concept invented by Arafat; before that the word wasn’t used to exclusively describe Arabs) but they ( with the help of the UN) want them to remain permanent refugees as a weapon in the propaganda war against Israel. The goal is to change other refugees’ status ASAP. With UnRHWA the goal is the status quo. They claim they want the “right of return” when a lot of these people actually moved to the region after 1948. if these refugees were ever moved into Israel it would mean the end of Israel. Most of the 2 million Arabs living in Israel haven’t been radicalized like the refugees have

In fact, the majority of Israeli Arabs support the war to end hamas.

 

[Dattier]

Exaggerated? It’s nonexistent. Half of the alleged 40,000 killed are terrorists according to the IDF. The 40,000 # comes from Hamas’ Health Ministry. The anti- Israel ICJ has already determined there’s no genocide.
Re: the other 20,000 a large % of those are civilians harboring terrorists, civilians storing weaponry in their homes such as was just discovered en masse in southern Lebanon, or civilians used as human shields by Hamas’ design to create maximum casualties to stir up international outrage against Israel. This strategy only works if you have a leftist media like the BBC and CNN willing to cultivate the lies.
The civilian: combatant casualty ratio in Gaza is one of the lowest in modern history and is lower than the US’ wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, despite the fact that Gazans are used as human shields and Hamas embeds its military operations in schools and hospitals

If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from.

 

[Dattier]

And yet you so often acknowledge good points we’ve made. It’s getting harder and harder to tell if you’re serious or trolling

Uhhh... relative to how often the entirety of regular conservative posters here acknowledge good points liberals make? Yes, yes, I absolutely do. 100% serious.

 

[Dattier]

I don't know why it is important to give people a cookie for a single good point when the arguments are won or lost based on all the points combined. Of course, this is my opinion. But I will download your video and watch it on my flight on Tuesday if I don't get to it this evening while in my office. Depends on how busy we are tonight.

I explained why: because y'all use such extremist language so regularly that the bar is THAT low for demonstrating a sliver of hope for any middle ground.

 

[KDSTONE]

If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from.

It’s preposterous that Israel is singled out with accusations of genocide when Assad recently killed half a million people and the Left and msm were silent to just name one example I give you credit for distancing yourself from the antisemitic fringe of your party.
Problem is, the former and current de facto leader of your party Obama still engages in anti semitic themes such as the “ illegal occupation” . What occupation is he talking about? Does he not recognize Israel’s right to exist?

 

[KDSTONE]

If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from.

Problem is, you said “ I own that. And only that”. Or some such.
Don’t limit your growth. You’re making progress. You need to push yourself to go further. Think fentanyl and reflect

 

[GhostOf301]

I explained why: because y'all use such extremist language so regularly that the bar is THAT low for demonstrating a sliver of hope for any middle ground.

You explained why it is your opinion that we should give points to the other side. And I explained why it is my opinion that it isn't important to me to do that. Let's not pretend that the liberals in this country are the ones looking for common ground. Truth is, common ground is something that just goes without saying. By a large margin, it is lefties ending friendships, disowning family members and demonizing conservatives in their lives. So getting me to concede a point to some so called Kamala supporters won't really move the needle. But I did tell you that I would eventually get to your video and see what I can do to honor your request.

 

[KDSTONE]

Uhhh... relative to how often the entirety of regular conservative posters here acknowledge good points liberals make? Yes, yes, I absolutely do. 100% serious.

You and Durham usually have told us by the end of the post how brilliant it is so usually you guys have beaten us to the punch. You make a lot of good points, but the policies you support usually are abject failures. We spend trillions on green energy. Where are all the charging stations? Where’d all the $ go?

 

[KDSTONE]

If anyone here ever feels frustrated that I don't seem to be flexible enough, KD provides a prime example of why: I made a concession that included disapproval of certain liberal talking points and it wasn't enough. It's never enough.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming where I get accused of being a sheep who is in lockstep with the very people I just demonstrated separation from.

You separated yourself from the pro Hamas fringe of your party. The ones calling for a ceasefire on Oct 8th. That’s like me disagreeing with something Marjorie Taylor Greene said. You get some credit for taking an obvious stance but don’t go overboard. The cherry on top is when you said “only that” demonstrating that you are in fact in lockstep with them 99% of the time.
Then there’s your poor choice of words, that your side is “exaggerating” Israel’s genocide. Israel is committing a genocide but it’s not that bad? Even when you allegedly disagree with your overlords, you do so in a neutered, both sides of the fence manner. You clearly know very little about the Middle East, so it’s probably best if we just move on to the next topic.

 

[Dattier]

You explained why it is your opinion that we should give points to the other side.

No, it’s not an opinion of why you should do anything. I’m just curious whether you would acknowledge a single point.

 

[Dattier]

You separated yourself from the pro Hamas fringe of your party. The ones calling for a ceasefire on Oct 8th. That’s like me disagreeing with something Marjorie Taylor Greene said. You get some credit for taking an obvious stance but don’t go overboard. The cherry on top is when you said “only that” demonstrating that you are in fact in lockstep with them 99% of the time.
Then there’s your poor choice of words, that your side is “exaggerating” Israel’s genocide. Israel is committing a genocide but it’s not that bad? Even when you allegedly disagree with your overlords, you do so in a neutered, both sides of the fence manner. You clearly know very little about the Middle East, so it’s probably best if we just move on to the next topic.

I should have called it hyperbole, I suppose, rather than an exaggeration. I’m owning only that because I do not trust my words to be accepted within a limited context otherwise. It’s like answering a yes or no question while qualifying your answer as tentative so as to avoid whatever gotcha might be waiting around the corner.

I know the Middle East is far more complicated than obviously partisan people will acknowledge.

 

[Dattier]

You and Durham usually have told us by the end of the post how brilliant it is so usually you guys have beaten us to the punch. You make a lot of good points, but the policies you support usually are abject failures. We spend trillions on green energy. Where are all the charging stations? Where’d all the $ go?

All I was looking for at the moment. I’m usually told that every post I make surpasses my last for dumbest ever X10.

 

[Mac9192]

I should have called it hyperbole, I suppose, rather than an exaggeration. I’m owning that because I do not trust my words

What I did here is what the democrats (led by media) do to Trump on a regular basis.

If they were honest, he’d win at least 48 states Tuesday.

 

[Dattier]

What I did here is what the democrats (led by media) do to Trump on a regular basis.

If they were honest, he’d win at least 48 states Tuesday.

That's your cult-like approval of President Trump deluding you if you think he would ever ever ever have any chance whatsoever at getting even one of California, NY, Vermont, NJ, Maryland, Massachusetts, Illinois, Minnesota, or Delaware.

It's ironic that you used that exact sentence to misrepresent what I said.

 

[GhostOf301]

That's your cult-like approval of President Trump deluding you if you think he would ever ever ever have any chance whatsoever at getting even one of California, NY, Vermont, NJ, Maryland, Massachusetts, Illinois, Minnesota, or Delaware.

It's ironic that you used that exact sentence to misrepresent what I said.

Ironically, that leaves exactly 48 states.

 

[KDSTONE]

I should have called it hyperbole, I suppose, rather than an exaggeration. I’m owning only that because I do not trust my words to be accepted within a limited context otherwise. It’s like answering a yes or no question while qualifying your answer as tentative so as to avoid whatever gotcha might be waiting around the corner.

I know the Middle East is far more complicated than obviously partisan people will acknowledge.

Let me simplify it for you then.
If Israel puts down its weapons no more Israel.
If Iran and its proxies put down its weapons no more war.

 

[Mac9192]

That's your cult-like approval of President Trump deluding you if you think he would ever ever ever have any chance whatsoever at getting even one of California, NY, Vermont, NJ, Maryland, Massachusetts, Illinois, Minnesota, or Delaware.

It's ironic that you used that exact sentence to misrepresent what I said.

You’re nothing but a hack for not having the decency to admit how dirty our leaders and the media are for parading Biden around since 2020, and now for having someone dumber than him to possibly be our next president.

So coming from you, using the word cult when describing a Trump supporter? I’ll wear that with honor.

Seriously, you’re a loser.

 

[GhostOf301]

No, it’s not an opinion of why you should do anything. I’m just curious whether you would acknowledge a single point.

I was going to let your dismissal of everything else I said go. But I don't think you've earned it. Do you dispute that it is the left that is less tolerant of opposing views?

 

[Dattier]

Let me simplify it for you then.
If Israel puts down its weapons no more Israel.
If Iran and its proxies put down its weapons no more war.

Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.

 

[Dattier]

Ironically, that leaves exactly 48 states.

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Okay, that is seriously hilarious. Well played.

I was going to let your dismissal of everything else I said go. But I don't think you've earned it. Do you dispute that it is the left that is less tolerant of opposing views?

I left the rest out because we've gotten into the weeds over all of that before. It's well established that I disagree that the left is less tolerant of opposing views. I have acknowledged that element does indeed exist on the left, as well.

 

[KDSTONE]

Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.

Oh so now you know what it feels like to be a “Palestinian”. You know nothing about this conflict other than your own preconceptions about the “oppressed”.
You mention nothing about Hamas’ charter which calls for the destruction of Israel or the fact that the majority of “Palestinians” support Hamas.
They’ve been offered statehood countless times but turn it down each time because their real goal is the killing of all Jews not a state.
You continue to embarrass yourself discussing a topic of which you know absolutely nothing. You’re trying to fit this conflict into your oppressed/ oppressor narrative and it simply isn’t applicable.
Thanks for bringing J6 up again as well.

Another justification of Oct 7 from a confused Leftist. Rape and beheading civilians is not revolution or resistance. You should be ashamed of yourself. Babies were cut out of their mother’s wombs.
Don’t you dare try to justify that asshole

 

[KDSTONE]

Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.

The majority Muslim areas ( Gaza and Judea, I mean the West Bank I’ll play along) have been governed by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respectively for almost 20 years. Thousands of Gazans are allowed into Israel to work each day despite almost daily terror attacks Most are thwarted before they actually kill Jews. The fact that the msm doesn’t report each event doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Not to mention daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah to the north. What are they resisting exactly? What’s Iran resisting? They’re behind most of this.
You can own this as well. Iran didn’t have the $ to finance these wars until Biden lifted oil sanctions and put billions back into their war machine. They were crippled when Trump left office. So when you reflexively fall back into your tired narratives, it makes me wonder if you actually think the “Palestinians” are oppressed or if you just simply do not know what you are talking about.

 

[Dattier]

Another justification of Oct 7 from a confused Leftist. Rape and beheading civilians is not revolution or resistance. You should be ashamed of yourself. Babies were cut out of their mother’s wombs.
Don’t you dare try to justify that asshole

I literally said I was not passing judgment (here) on either side. I even referred to it as perceived oppression specifically to avoid validating the claims of oppression and ruffling your delicate, snowflake sensibility.

Like I said, no concession toward middle ground is ever enough with you or several other conservatives here. You are so intellectually fragile and insecure that anything short of complete and total agreement feels like an attack. You can't handle anything more complex.

You can give me all the information in the world you think I lack on this topic. If it takes a 100% one side stance -- and you do -- it will fall on deaf ears. Your attempts to simplify a very complicated situation are insulting to those involved and to any rational discussion of it. And the same applies to those people on my side of the aisle who can just as articulately and statistically put forth a 100% pro-Palestine stance.

 

[Dattier]

The majority Muslim areas ( Gaza and Judea, I mean the West Bank I’ll play along) have been governed by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respectively for almost 20 years. Thousands of Gazans are allowed into Israel to work each day despite almost daily terror attacks Most are thwarted before they actually kill Jews. The fact that the msm doesn’t report each event doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Not to mention daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah to the north. What are they resisting exactly? What’s Iran resisting? They’re behind most of this.
You can own this as well. Iran didn’t have the $ to finance these wars until Biden lifted oil sanctions and put billions back into their war machine. They were crippled when Trump left office. So when you reflexively fall back into your tired narratives, it makes me wonder if you actually think the “Palestinians” are oppressed or if you just simply do not know what you are talking about.

You're too emotional to participate in anything but a pep rally for one side.

 

[KDSTONE]

You're too emotional to participate in anything but a pep rally for one side.

As usual you ignore the questions you can’t answer. What isHezbollah resisting? Iran?
The Left refuses to acknowledge that Jew hatred is at the root of this conflict. The Arabs in the region supported the Nazis during the 30s and The Grand Mufti met with Nazi leaders trying to get them to slaughter all the Jews in the region.
In case you’re confused, this is before 1948.
The extreme Left of your party wants to withhold all funding to Israel, which would render them defenseless if the ballistic attacks of April were repeated.

 

[KDSTONE]

You're too emotional to participate in anything but a pep rally for one side.

That’s rich coming from you, someone so desperate for validation of his intelligence that he practically begs for it on a message board.

 

[KDSTONE]

I literally said I was not passing judgment (here) on either side. I even referred to it as perceived oppression specifically to avoid validating the claims of oppression and ruffling your delicate, snowflake sensibility.

Like I said, no concession toward middle ground is ever enough with you or several other conservatives here. You are so intellectually fragile and insecure that anything short of complete and total agreement feels like an attack. You can't handle anything more complex.

You can give me all the information in the world you think I lack on this topic. If it takes a 100% one side stance -- and you do -- it will fall on deaf ears. Your attempts to simplify a very complicated situation are insulting to those involved and to any rational discussion of it. And the same applies to those people on my side of the aisle who can just as articulately and statistically put forth a 100% pro-Palestine stance.

They keep turning down statehood because they refuse to recognize the state of Israel or to live alongside Jews. How is that complicated?

 

[Dattier]

As usual you ignore the questions you can’t answer. What isHezbollah resisting? Iran?
The Left refuses to acknowledge that Jew hatred is at the root of this conflict. The Arabs in the region supported the Nazis during the 30s and The Grand Mufti met with Nazi leaders trying to get them to slaughter all the Jews in the region.
In case you’re confused, this is before 1948.
The extreme Left of your party wants to withhold all funding to Israel, which would render them defenseless if the ballistic attacks of April were repeated.

I've been thorough and consistent in explaining how pointless it is to attempt this conversation with you and how conceding anything never helps. I've pointed out an example within the last page or so. I've told you a 100% one way stance won't work, so you've doubled-down. lol

That’s rich coming from you, someone so desperate for validation of his intelligence that he practically begs for it on a message board.

This isn't my first day here, and I'm usually facing off against multiple conservatives with rare support from anyone else. Not a complaint. Just a statement of fact. I'm plenty confident of my intellect and knowledge of certain subjects. I have never needed validation from anyone here and would have disappeared long ago if I did. As you will continue to see if you keep badgering me about this, is that I am so confident I can ignore your childish insults about how little I know forever. What I've asked for as of yesterday has been a good faith gesture that y'all can even acknowledge solid points from the other side of the aisle. You yourself have acknowledged on this very page that I make "a lot of good points," but it's not really about me and it wasn't specific. It's kind of like adding, "Some of them, I'm sure, are good people," to the end of a statement trashing a group of people.

 

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I've been thorough and consistent in explaining how pointless it is to attempt this conversation with you and how conceding anything never helps. I've pointed out an example within the last page or so. I've told you a 100% one way stance won't work, so you've doubled-down. lol


This isn't my first day here, and I'm usually facing off against multiple conservatives with rare support from anyone else. Not a complaint. Just a statement of fact. I'm plenty confident of my intellect and knowledge of certain subjects. I have never needed validation from anyone here and would have disappeared long ago if I did. As you will continue to see if you keep badgering me about this, is that I am so confident I can ignore your childish insults about how little I know forever. What I've asked for as of yesterday has been a good faith gesture that y'all can even acknowledge solid points from the other side of the aisle. You yourself have acknowledged on this very page that I make "a lot of good points," but it's not really about me and it wasn't specific. It's kind of like adding, "Some of them, I'm sure, are good people," to the end of a statement trashing a group of people.

Just what does the left offer that is worth listening to? All I see out of the left is that nothing of any substance ever gets offered, but a constant assault on the right and their character does.

I'm genuinely curious. Please give some examples of ideas. What has your candidate offered other than how bad Trump is?