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I've been thorough and consistent in explaining how pointless it is to attempt this conversation with you and how conceding anything never helps. I've pointed out an example within the last page or so. I've told you a 100% one way stance won't work, so you've doubled-down. lol


This isn't my first day here, and I'm usually facing off against multiple conservatives with rare support from anyone else. Not a complaint. Just a statement of fact. I'm plenty confident of my intellect and knowledge of certain subjects. I have never needed validation from anyone here and would have disappeared long ago if I did. As you will continue to see if you keep badgering me about this, is that I am so confident I can ignore your childish insults about how little I know forever. What I've asked for as of yesterday has been a good faith gesture that y'all can even acknowledge solid points from the other side of the aisle. You yourself have acknowledged on this very page that I make "a lot of good points," but it's not really about me and it wasn't specific. It's kind of like adding, "Some of them, I'm sure, are good people," to the end of a statement trashing a group of people.
You haven’t made any solid points other than to say it’s complicated without providing a single example of how. As usual, you engage in moral equivocation/ shades of gray arguments lacking in specifics. You do make good points on occasion but on this topic you haven’t made any, good or bad.
Yes, I hope Israel wins this war and wipes out all the terrorists as I support the lone democracy in the region over radical Islamists who also want to destroy the US and would kill us all if they had the chance.
You seemed to appreciate my compliment earlier; now you’re pretending it was an insult?
 
@Dattier I am willing to give a different video a try if you want to provide one. But I made it 30 minutes into that one and it was unbearable. Terrible format and no one even gets to complete their points. I really did go into it with an open mind and I am sorry, I just don't see any of the ones that I saw making any good points.
 
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Just what does the left offer that is worth listening to? All I see out of the left is that nothing of any substance ever gets offered, but a constant assault on the right and their character does.

I'm genuinely curious. Please give some examples of ideas. What has your candidate offered other than how bad Trump is?
Do you mean the real Kamalie of 2019 who wants to ban fracking and off shore drilling or the media created, say whatever it takes to get elected Kamalie of 24?
I think they should resurrect Cash for Clunkers
 
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Just what does the left offer that is worth listening to? All I see out of the left is that nothing of any substance ever gets offered, but a constant assault on the right and their character does.

I'm genuinely curious. Please give some examples of ideas. What has your candidate offered other than how bad Trump is?
I was referring to the video I posted yesterday featuring 20+ liberals debating Ben Shapiro.

VP Harris has had policy positions available on her website for at least a couple months. I have no doubt you will dismiss every one of them as stupid. I do not believe you even ask that question in good faith. I'm not wasting any more energy than it takes to give you a link.
 
@Dattier I am willing to give a different video a try if you want to provide one. But I made it 30 minutes into that one and it was unbearable. Terrible format and no one even gets to complete their points. I really did go into it with an open mind and I am sorry, I just don't see any of the ones that I saw making any good points.
Thanks for trying, at least. The format did make a sustained, in-depth conversation difficult. The last 10 minutes (starting at 1:26:15) are a sustained 1-on-1 conversation on a topic of the liberal's choice. He's not the best, but closer to the top than the bottom among them.
If I come across something suitable I'll pass it along.
 
VP Harris has had policy positions available on her website for at least a couple months. I have no doubt you will dismiss every one of them as stupid. I do not believe you even ask that question in good faith. I'm not wasting any more energy than it takes to give you a link.
She has it on her website? Can’t even believe you could type this with a straight face. Any person from the machines campaign team could have posted that.

She says nothing in public, or interviews that has to do with helping America. Her ONLY go to is to blast Trump. She’s nothing but an empty vessel, who’s protected by the corporate media.

You’re either a liar, or ignorant, to suggest otherwise.
 
They can’t do anything about crime or the rats on the Subway, but they can come in your home and kill your pets. The judge that signed this warrant, if there even was one, should be disbarred
First the Haitians now this. Our pets are no longer safe. I wish my pets had opposable thumbs so I could teach them how to use a gun
 
For years they have tried to convince people that Trump was racist, misogynistic, and an anti immigrant nazi. He won this election with the help of black Americans, women, Jews and Hispanics. The left lost because they are mentally ill assholes.
 
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For years they have tried to convince people that Trump was racist, misogynistic, and an anti immigrant nazi. He won this election with the help of black Americans, women, Jews and Hispanics. The left lost because they are mentally ill assholes.
These clowns on CNN predictably going to the Kamala lost because America is racist and sexist card, never acknowledging that she is a uniquely bad candidate.
Prime example of how terrible a politician she is: on the View when asked what she would do different than Biden. A predictable question for which she was completely unprepared. Not very bright
 
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For years they have tried to convince people that Trump was racist, misogynistic, and an anti immigrant nazi. He won this election with the help of black Americans, women, Jews and Hispanics. The left lost because they are mentally ill assholes.
That’s the main reason. She also lost Penn the minute she picked Walz over Shapiro. And she’s getting trounced in Michigan anyway after pandering to Muslim voters for the past three months. Classic
 
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Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
 
Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
🤣🤣 wow datt just wow.
 
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Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
Lol. That is not what history will show at all. It will show that being sick, rage-filled d bags loses you elections. The country is tired of the left's shit.
 
Lol. That is not what history will show at all. It will show that being sick, rage-filled d bags loses you elections. The country is tired of the left's shit.
I am very confident and comfortable with my side's place in history. You just prefer a different brand of fecal matter. Our President-elect keeps shoveling it and y'all keep eating it up.

Did you vote for Michele Morrow? Mark Robinson?
 
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A madman skilled at whipping up anger fired y'all up in 2016. The Left was mad his entire first term. During President Biden's one term, y'all were mad the entire time. You also started calling on the Left to answer for his shortcomings and failures, and were largely met with crickets. In part, the candidate we preferred won and we had less reason to be mad anymore. The difference is that for President Trump's first term, y'all stayed furious the entire time, and you'll stay furious for his entire second term. He wants you like that. You're easier to manipulate that way. Contributing, you expected the Left to take it and shut up after 2016 exactly like y'all didn't for President Obama's entire tenure because you're insecure hypocrites.

You're going to get another 4-year lesson in how the Left respects the election outcome but won't bow to your fascism. That's too complicated for y'all to even fathom.
 
I am very confident and comfortable with my side's place in history. You just prefer a different brand of fecal matter. Our President-elect keeps shoveling it and y'all keep eating it up.

Did you vote for Michele Morrow? Mark Robinson?
When your side loses, America wins.

I didn't vote for governor. And sadly the dwmocrat judge I voted for lost. I don't know who Michael Morrow is. I don't vote for people who I don't know anything about. I maybe voted for 6 people and for the Ammendment that keeps non citizens from voting in our elections.

Every undocumented immigrant on day 1, right?
Close the border on day one to stop the flow. Then start by getting the violent criminals and gang members out. Oh the horror.
 
A madman skilled at whipping up anger fired y'all up in 2016. The Left was mad his entire first term. During President Biden's one term, y'all were mad the entire time. You also started calling on the Left to answer for his shortcomings and failures, and were largely met with crickets. In part, the candidate we preferred won and we had less reason to be mad anymore. The difference is that for President Trump's first term, y'all stayed furious the entire time, and you'll stay furious for his entire second term. He wants you like that. You're easier to manipulate that way. Contributing, you expected the Left to take it and shut up after 2016 exactly like y'all didn't for President Obama's entire tenure because you're insecure hypocrites.

You're going to get another 4-year lesson in how the Left respects the election outcome but won't bow to your fascism. That's too complicated for y'all to even fathom.
Dear Jesus. You could write for the Babylon Bee.
 
Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
🤣🤣 wow datt just wow.
Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
We’re called garbage and Nazis and our side is full of hatred and rage?
I wonder if Kamalie can think of anything she’d have done different now
I hope the Dems can find whatever integrity they may have once had and let this man govern without more lawfare and bogus impeachments that would make a banana republic proud
 
I am very confident and comfortable with my side's place in history. You just prefer a different brand of fecal matter. Our President-elect keeps shoveling it and y'all keep eating it up.

Did you vote for Michele Morrow? Mark Robinson?
Fecal matter? Class act this guy.
 
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When your side loses, America wins.

I didn't vote for governor. And sadly the dwmocrat judge I voted for lost. I don't know who Michael Morrow is. I don't vote for people who I don't know anything about. I maybe voted for 6 people and for the Ammendment that keeps non citizens from voting in our elections.
So you acknowledge you don't fully educate yourself. Big surprise.

The amendment did nothing but removed the term "naturalized citizen" from the constitution. Non-citizens already couldn't vote, and we have laws in place to punish those who try. You have barely caught anyone under existing law because voter fraud is well below 20 instances per election. The amendment was proposed in the same bad faith as the hunting amendment and corporate tax cap a few years back: nothing was endangered; they proposed it just to stoke fear in their base, and it worked. The modified, stripped down language (Oh, it also says only 18 year olds can vote now, not 18 and older, you MLing hacks) sets the stage for y'all to redefine what citizenship is and prevent naturalized citizens from voting... but only when it suits you.
 
Close the border on day one to stop the flow. Then start by getting the violent criminals and gang members out. Oh the horror.
Okay, so January 20th, or the first full day, January 21st? Shoot, I'll give you until February 1st. It still won't be done.
 
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Welp! That didn’t go as I hoped, but I’m not very surprised. Not after 2016. Not after all the things that would have sunk far worthier candidates. He could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and kill someone and his popularity would go up.

History will show that your side are the sick, rage-filled d-bags who handed the keys to a narcissist who validated your hatred and rage.

But for now, you won.

I concede.

A down ballot NC race that has a more immediate, direct influence on students and the remainder of my career is that of the State Superintendent for public schools. I haven’t mentioned anything about it here for concern that many of y’all would vote for Michele Marrow just to spite me. She sounds just like several of you the way you spew hatred and lies at public schools; she’s never worked in public schools or even sent her kids to public schools, yet she wanted to be in control of them. Mo Green, who has been a Superintendent in two districts and shown growth in student achievement, won.
Next time, y’all need to throw Obama out there sooner. His scolding was really starting to gain traction. If y’all would have given him more time, I think the “brothas” would have come around.
Now we see why Black conservatives have been bullied and intimidated for decades. Any loss of the Black vote spells doom for Democrats even if it goes from 10% to 15% of just the male vote
 
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Kamala is such a high character person, she didn't even have the decency to speak to her supporters who were at her event last night. The side that's so good at accepting election results suddenly forgets that they spent the first two years of Trump's first term trying to delegitimize his victory with a hoax started by his opponent. Then tried everything they could to keep him from being able to run again this time. And this is the first day since his projected victory. We haven't seen the shenanigans that they are going to pull this time. It's absolutely amazing that anyone would even attempt to convince themselves, let alone anyone els, that their side handles losses with dignity.
 
Okay, so January 20th, or the first full day, January 21st? Shoot, I'll give you until February 1st. It still won't be done.
You don't think he will close the border and begin to get the violent criminals and gang members out of the country? Or are you trying to say the obvious in that it won't all be done on day one? Are you against stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and deporting violent criminals and gang members?
 
So you acknowledge you don't fully educate yourself. Big surprise.
I acknowledging that I don't blindly vote for people I don't know anything about and I am not going to spend my life educating myself of anyone who could potentially run for a political position. Sorry that upsets you.
 
A madman skilled at whipping up anger fired y'all up in 2016. The Left was mad his entire first term. During President Biden's one term, y'all were mad the entire time. You also started calling on the Left to answer for his shortcomings and failures, and were largely met with crickets. In part, the candidate we preferred won and we had less reason to be mad anymore. The difference is that for President Trump's first term, y'all stayed furious the entire time, and you'll stay furious for his entire second term. He wants you like that. You're easier to manipulate that way. Contributing, you expected the Left to take it and shut up after 2016 exactly like y'all didn't for President Obama's entire tenure because you're insecure hypocrites.

You're going to get another 4-year lesson in how the Left respects the election outcome but won't bow to your fascism. That's too complicated for y'all to even fathom.
When was the first four-year lesson? Was that during the Russia hoax or the Ukrainian impeachment farce?
 
I am very confident and comfortable with my side's place in history. You just prefer a different brand of fecal matter. Our President-elect keeps shoveling it and y'all keep eating it up.

Did you vote for Michele Morrow? Mark Robinson?
No. And voted for some dems in local elections. The amazing thing is the progressives are saying the best way forward for democrats is to move to the left even more. I also had no idea until I watched MSNBC this morning that Hispanics hate African Americans and African American males hate women.
 
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I just wish the democrats would come in and bring unity to the country. Unfortunately they'll continue with their "Nazi, garbage" etc naming calling like they've done from the start. I wonder if they'll continue the weaponization of the government to continue to attack Trump or if Biden will do the right thing and call it off? It's time to heal and get this country back on track.

Unfortunately I fear the worst out of the democrats, but hope I'm wrong.
 
Kamala is such a high character person, she didn't even have the decency to speak to her supporters who were at her event last night. The side that's so good at accepting election results suddenly forgets that they spent the first two years of Trump's first term trying to delegitimize his victory with a hoax started by his opponent. Then tried everything they could to keep him from being able to run again this time. And this is the first day since his projected victory. We haven't seen the shenanigans that they are going to pull this time. It's absolutely amazing that anyone would even attempt to convince themselves, let alone anyone els, that their side handles losses with dignity.
Uh, wrong. The results aren't official yet, and the VP is waiting for that to concede gracefully, and later she will peacefully, gracefully preside over the election certification. She'll be the third VP to do so with dignity, grace, and selflessness, following Nixon in '60 and Gore in '00. As for not speaking to her followers, gMLy. You don't care about her supporters. If anything, you just wanna laugh at her somberness.

Hillary Clinton conceded the very night of the 2016 election. There were the customary recounts where it was close, as there always should be. There were emotional objections over the pop vote v EC, as there always will be from the emotional and uneducated. But it's some equivocating crap to act as if it was anything like our President-elect's deceitful 2020 lies and the Jan 6th attempt to overthrow a legitimate election.

Dignity accepting disappointing truths relative to the GOP? Absolutely. 100%.
 
Uh, wrong. The results aren't official yet, and the VP is waiting for that to concede gracefully, and later she will peacefully, gracefully preside over the election certification. She'll be the third VP to do so with dignity, grace, and selflessness, following Nixon in '60 and Gore in '00. As for not speaking to her followers, gMLy. You don't care about her supporters. If anything, you just wanna laugh at her somberness.

Hillary Clinton conceded the very night of the 2016 election. There were the customary recounts where it was close, as there always should be. There were emotional objections over the pop vote v EC, as there always will be from the emotional and uneducated. But it's some equivocating crap to act as if it was anything like our President-elect's deceitful 2020 lies and the Jan 6th attempt to overthrow a legitimate election.

Dignity accepting disappointing truths relative to the GOP? Absolutely. 100%.
Just stop, man. I didn't say anything about conceding. Even though she should have. I said she didn't have the decency to speak to her supporters to say thank you for being here, thank you for your support. I am not attempting to claim that Trump handled 2020 well or that his supporters handled it with dignity. I am mocking you for your terrible attempt to convince yourself that your side has any dignity.
 
You don't think he will close the border and begin to get the violent criminals and gang members out of the country? Or are you trying to say the obvious in that it won't all be done on day one? Are you against stopping the flow of illegal immigrants and deporting violent criminals and gang members?
"Closing the border" or "Stay in Mexico" means asylum seekers are excluded. No one wants violent criminals and gang members here.

I am in favor of vetting immigrants and improving opportunities for legal entry into our country. With an aging population and a lower birth rate, we need labor. That's why GOP Presidents who talk tough about illegal immigration have always turned a blind eye in office. We need cheap, willing, physical laborers to prevent things like crops from rotting in the field, let along keeping prices down.

I don't think he'll succeed at closing the border or at anything that is just tough talk y'all eat up w/ no substance behind it.
 
Just stop, man. I didn't say anything about conceding. Even though she should have. I said she didn't have the decency to speak to her supporters to say thank you for being here, thank you for your support. I am not attempting to claim that Trump handled 2020 well or that his supporters handled it with dignity. I am mocking you for your terrible attempt to convince yourself that your side has any dignity.
Again, you don't care in the slightest about her supporters and whether she spoke to them or not. You wanted to gloat at her demeanor. That's all. You constantly say her supporters are unilaterally stupid, sick, and evil. You don't give a ML that they didn't get any comforting face-time w/ the VP. You're concern-trolling. That's all.
 
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