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Ol Datt prefers making these sideways (cheap) remarks instead of discussing the actual points that we are making. Which, like I’ve said, proves libs, and he’s a poster child, are not interested in addressing them. Dawn Staley was, and is, only looking for a reason to stir the pot.

@Dattier will swoop in with the systemic racism card shortly.
MY example proves ALL libs... Why hide prejudice when you have an entire message board community that will join you in denying it?

My eyes glaze over reading your crap. I've told you before: I won't engage according to your cowardly, stacked rules.
 
MY example proves ALL libs... Why hide prejudice when you have an entire message board community that will join you in denying it?

My eyes glaze over reading your crap. I've told you before: I won't engage according to your cowardly, stacked rules.
Funny seeing someone, who needs mental health breaks from a message board, use the word cowardly.
 
If there are corrections made to the initial responses once it is evident that they were wrong, then they were wrong. If it becomes evident that they were wrong and they double down, then they are lying. It's not the facts that matter. It's the fact that the facts could have been different.
That's generally a pretty good rule. One caveat I would add is that if you're going to be crucified either way, why bend the knee? Y'all can point out how most legit media bit so hard on the original story, but let's not pretend that right-wing media wasn't praying for the backlash just like their viewers. That's not good faith.
 
That's generally a pretty good rule. One caveat I would add is that if you're going to be crucified either way, why bend the knee? Y'all can point out how most legit media bit so hard on the original story, but let's not pretend that right-wing media wasn't praying for the backlash just like their viewers. That's not good faith.
So I take it you fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So let me get this straight. You believe someone that chooses to spend his free time going to a womens volleyball game of all things could randomly shout the n word at an opposing player and no one on the court or in the stands even reacted. In 2022. Not a mean look, not a turn around, nothing. How gullible do you have to be? Or is it that you have a blind spot when it comes to racial justice issues?
 
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Nope, and you actually got it more twisted. Like w/ Mac, there's no good faith here, so this is all the time I'm going to waste on you.
 
Nope, and you actually got it more twisted. Like w/ Mac, there's no good faith here, so this is all the time I'm going to waste on you.
I’ll take that answer as a) very gullible and b) yes I’ve been blinded to see the worst in white people except for myself of course. Fact is, y’all need to keep the race stuff going esp this close to an election
 
Poor Ol Datt. He’s coming unglued. As he should. His wiring is all out of whack. Instead of calling it like it is, the old nut job just digs in deeper.

He’s about to take his ball and go home.
 
Why bend the knee? I would say to give honesty a fighting chance in a society that doesn't care about honesty. We are a broken society that will never get fixed as long as negativity is the only focus. So many good things happen every moment of this life and we can only invest our time in the bad things, or perceived bad things. If nothing bad happens, we make something up that is bad. It's a never ending circle.
 
Poor Ol Datt. He’s coming unglued. As he should. His wiring is all out of whack. Instead of calling it like it is, the old nut job just digs in deeper.

He’s about to take his ball and go home.
Another mental health break in order….
 
Why bend the knee? I would say to give honesty a fighting chance in a society that doesn't care about honesty. We are a broken society that will never get fixed as long as negativity is the only focus. So many good things happen every moment of this life and we can only invest our time in the bad things, or perceived bad things. If nothing bad happens, we make something up that is bad. It's a never ending circle.
See, your saying it was made up is already a violation of that honesty. It's in bad faith. You're assuming intent. If that represents the starting point and context for the conversation, why would Rachel Richardson participate in that?

I saw this video prank where this white guy with a hidden camera went walking through a predominantly Black neighborhood greeting Black people with, "What's up, my neighbor?" Every encounter that made the final edit featured one or more Black person getting really up-in-arms over what they thought he said. When it was all sorted out, some of them laughed, but some of them still seemed a bit bothered by it. Did they all individually "make up" the exact same thing they "wanted" to hear, or did the white dude know exactly what he was doing and get exactly the response he was trying to elicit? And wrt the Black people who were still kinda salty even afterward, isn't it understandable that thinking you heard something really offensive affects you emotionally in a way it may take some time to recover from even if you have been "corrected"? (Especially when someone deliberately manipulated your emotions?)
 
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See, your saying it was made up is already a violation of that honesty. It's in bad faith. You're assuming intent. If that represents the starting point and context for the conversation, why would Rachel Richardson participate in that?

I saw this video prank where this white guy with a hidden camera went walking through a predominantly Black neighborhood greeting Black people with, "What's up, my neighbor?" Every encounter that made the final edit featured one or more Black person getting really up-in-arms over what they thought he said. When it was all sorted out, some of them laughed, but some of them still seemed a bit bothered by it. Did they all individually "make up" the exact same thing they "wanted" to hear, or did the white dude know exactly what he was doing and get exactly the response he was trying to elicit? And wrt the Black people who were still kinda salty even afterward, isn't it understandable that thinking you heard something really offensive affects you emotionally in a way it may take some time to recover from even if you have been "corrected"? (Especially when someone deliberately manipulated your emotions?)
Desperation. So pathetic. You need racism or your massively flawed Leftist agenda fails.
 
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Dattier, some of my policy viewpoints probably would be characterized as left of center by many folks. For one example, I have long been uncomfortable with the war on drugs though I personally don't care for anything except good beer. The war on drugs offends the libertarian streak in me when it comes to controlling one's own body and I question whether it's a sound use of resources. There are other areas in which I would be labeled right of center as in thinking the army needs more divisions. But this wokeness that I have noticed more of late is annoying. I don't mean to join in ganging up on you but for cultural actions, there are cultural reactions. Woke may make some of the left feel good but it hurts it with a very large portion of the population. In these situations, people are loath to admit they made a mistake by jumping on a bandwagon and over time it's going to hurt the very stance they are trying to take. Already has, I think. There is folk wisdom behind that old saying of "crying wolf". Agree with what was insinuated by someone above. When it was not eventually admitted as being an honest mistake than that leads to a different conclusion.
 
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See, your saying it was made up is already a violation of that honesty. It's in bad faith. You're assuming intent. If that represents the starting point and context for the conversation, why would Rachel Richardson participate in that?

I saw this video prank where this white guy with a hidden camera went walking through a predominantly Black neighborhood greeting Black people with, "What's up, my neighbor?" Every encounter that made the final edit featured one or more Black person getting really up-in-arms over what they thought he said. When it was all sorted out, some of them laughed, but some of them still seemed a bit bothered by it. Did they all individually "make up" the exact same thing they "wanted" to hear, or did the white dude know exactly what he was doing and get exactly the response he was trying to elicit? And wrt the Black people who were still kinda salty even afterward, isn't it understandable that thinking you heard something really offensive affects you emotionally in a way it may take some time to recover from even if you have been "corrected"? (Especially when someone deliberately manipulated your emotions?)
For starters. I was not even talking about any particular case when I said, we make something up". Of the issues I spoke of, I would put her case in the "perceived bad things" up until the point that it became apparent that she didn't hear what she thought she heard. I will give her the benefit of the doubt, up until she refused to accept that she was wrong. That's when she lost the benefit of the doubt and became the problem. In no way am I assuming intent. Btw.

The skit, or whatever, that you are bringing up has nothing to do with the scenarios being discussed. But it does bring up the issue of being over-sensitive and/or over-exaggeration regarding racism. Comedy can be crude, ironic and insulting in many forms. Are you going to cancel Clayton Bigsby?
 
For starters. I was not even talking about any particular case when I said, we make something up". Of the issues I spoke of, I would put her case in the "perceived bad things" up until the point that it became apparent that she didn't hear what she thought she heard. I will give her the benefit of the doubt, up until she refused to accept that she was wrong. That's when she lost the benefit of the doubt and became the problem. In no way am I assuming intent. Btw.

The skit, or whatever, that you are bringing up has nothing to do with the scenarios being discussed. But it does bring up the issue of being over-sensitive and/or over-exaggeration regarding racism. Comedy can be crude, ironic and insulting in many forms. Are you going to cancel Clayton Bigsby?
I wasn’t talking strictly about Rachel Richardson, either. Aside from Tawana Brawley and Jussie Smollett, “making it up” is very, very rare. But every time anyone says anything about racism, that “case-by-case” lie Mac was telling a few days ago flies out the window and all the right can talk about is Brawley & Smollett, Brawley & Smollet.

Being wrong is much more common than making things up, and having a difference of opinion/perspective is exponentially more common than both of them put together. The left needs to do a better job of distinguishing between u-r-racist and what-you-said-seems-racist. The right needs to do a better job of l-I-s-t-e-n-I-n-g and l-e-a-r-n-I-n-g.

I brought the skit up to illustrate how it can be pretty low-hanging fruit to get a pretty predictable reaction out of most Black people when you’re deliberately flirting with that line, just like if I avoid saying the word “woman” it’s easy to predict getting a rise out of right-wing extremists. That’s not because Black people make things up or are overly sensitive or anything else negative. It’s because they have very good reason — historically AND currently — to be hyper-vigilant.

As far as I’m concerned, BYU has handled this well from the very beginning. They reacted quickly with apologies, denouncing what was alleged, and what amounts to a temporary suspension of someone while an investigation was completed. (No different from putting an LEO on administrative duty after any fatal shooting while the investigation is completed, imo.) They completed a full investigation in a timely manner and went public with their findings without disparaging Ms Richardson in any way.
 
Dattier, some of my policy viewpoints probably would be characterized as left of center by many folks. For one example, I have long been uncomfortable with the war on drugs though I personally don't care for anything except good beer. The war on drugs offends the libertarian streak in me when it comes to controlling one's own body and I question whether it's a sound use of resources. There are other areas in which I would be labeled right of center as in thinking the army needs more divisions. But this wokeness that I have noticed more of late is annoying. I don't mean to join in ganging up on you but for cultural actions, there are cultural reactions. Woke may make some of the left feel good but it hurts it with a very large portion of the population. In these situations, people are loath to admit they made a mistake by jumping on a bandwagon and over time it's going to hurt the very stance they are trying to take. Already has, I think. There is folk wisdom behind that old saying of "crying wolf". Agree with what was insinuated by someone above. When it was not eventually admitted as being an honest mistake than that leads to a different conclusion.
I appreciate your tone here.

I’m not a fan of libertarianism.

Woke culture doesn’t exist so people can “feel good.”

That woke culture can be annoying (it can) does not validate “roll coal” and the like in response. That’s petty and spiteful. I find the left to be far more sincere and consistent than the right, at least since President Obama has been in office.
 
Dattier, some of my policy viewpoints probably would be characterized as left of center by many folks. For one example, I have long been uncomfortable with the war on drugs though I personally don't care for anything except good beer. The war on drugs offends the libertarian streak in me when it comes to controlling one's own body and I question whether it's a sound use of resources. There are other areas in which I would be labeled right of center as in thinking the army needs more divisions. But this wokeness that I have noticed more of late is annoying. I don't mean to join in ganging up on you but for cultural actions, there are cultural reactions. Woke may make some of the left feel good but it hurts it with a very large portion of the population. In these situations, people are loath to admit they made a mistake by jumping on a bandwagon and over time it's going to hurt the very stance they are trying to take. Already has, I think. There is folk wisdom behind that old saying of "crying wolf". Agree with what was insinuated by someone above. When it was not eventually admitted as being an honest mistake than that leads to a different conclusion.
I align more with you, most likely, as a true Independent- I just can’t stand far-right or far-left apologists like Dattier. Likely a Caucasian SJW, who grew up with a silver spoon, yet needs to justify or validate their feelings by using others as pawns.
 
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I wasn’t talking strictly about Rachel Richardson, either. Aside from Tawana Brawley and Jussie Smollett, “making it up” is very, very rare. But every time anyone says anything about racism, that “case-by-case” lie Mac was telling a few days ago flies out the window and all the right can talk about is Brawley & Smollett, Brawley & Smollet.

Being wrong is much more common than making things up, and having a difference of opinion/perspective is exponentially more common than both of them put together. The left needs to do a better job of distinguishing between u-r-racist and what-you-said-seems-racist. The right needs to do a better job of l-I-s-t-e-n-I-n-g and l-e-a-r-n-I-n-g.

I brought the skit up to illustrate how it can be pretty low-hanging fruit to get a pretty predictable reaction out of most Black people when you’re deliberately flirting with that line, just like if I avoid saying the word “woman” it’s easy to predict getting a rise out of right-wing extremists. That’s not because Black people make things up or are overly sensitive or anything else negative. It’s because they have very good reason — historically AND currently — to be hyper-vigilant.

As far as I’m concerned, BYU has handled this well from the very beginning. They reacted quickly with apologies, denouncing what was alleged, and what amounts to a temporary suspension of someone while an investigation was completed. (No different from putting an LEO on administrative duty after any fatal shooting while the investigation is completed, imo.) They completed a full investigation in a timely manner and went public with their findings without disparaging Ms Richardson in any way.
Very very rare. Nicholas Sandmann Duke volleyball. Countless others that have been listed here in the past month. What do they all have in common: liberal medias rush to judgement without properly vetting the story. Also SJWs like yourself get a chance to enlighten the rest of us re: how racist we all are
 
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I appreciate your tone here.

I’m not a fan of libertarianism.

Woke culture doesn’t exist so people can “feel good.”

That woke culture can be annoying (it can) does not validate “roll coal” and the like in response. That’s petty and spiteful. I find the left to be far more sincere and consistent than the right, at least since President Obama has been in office.
Sincere, consistent liars.”The border is secure” VP Harris, Sept 2022
 
I find the left to be far more sincere and consistent than the right, at least since President Obama has been in office.
This may be your worst take, ever. And that’s saying a lot. You’re either a liar, or just flat out delusional.

Then again, you could be both.
 
Very very rare. Holy shit

What's very very rare is actual impactful racism.
 
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This may be your worst take, ever. And that’s saying a lot. You’re either a liar, or just flat out delusional.

Then again, you could be both.
Typical. You ignore everything else, and can't handle that I have a different perspective clearly phrased as my perspective.

How about instead of my being a liar, delusional, or both, you just need to get out more, or stop being such a coward that you have to vilify a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g you disagree with? Or both?
 
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Very very rare. Holy shit

What's very very rare is actual impactful racism.
Oh, no, I didn't mean any racism was impactful at all to you. I mean, when you have all the white privilege in the world and shut your eyes and turn up the volume on your Rush Limbaugh cassette when examples of racism are right in front of you...

That's basically just, like, the exact opposite of what I said, so... I guess, just...

Hey, when's that baby due?
 
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Sincere, consistent liars.”The border is secure” VP Harris, Sept 2022
She said that this month? And you already know she's a liar? Geez, even the dude who is about to drop his end of the piano down the stairs means it a couple seconds earlier when he's saying, "I got it! I got it!" :rolleyes:
 
Very very rare. Nicholas Sandmann Duke volleyball. Countless others that have been listed here in the past month. What do they all have in common: liberal medias rush to judgement without properly vetting the story. Also SJWs like yourself get a chance to enlighten the rest of us re: how racist we all are
You add one example, then go straight to "countless"? 🤣

If you could list 10,000 and pretend every one as far back as Tawana Brawley 35 years ago, all happened yesterday, that wouldn't touch the personal experiences 45 million Black people in the U.S. could list in half the time. If one in 45 Black people could list only one incident each, it's 100 times more than what you've got.
 
I wasn’t talking strictly about Rachel Richardson, either. Aside from Tawana Brawley and Jussie Smollett, “making it up” is very, very rare. But every time anyone says anything about racism, that “case-by-case” lie Mac was telling a few days ago flies out the window and all the right can talk about is Brawley & Smollett, Brawley & Smollet.

Being wrong is much more common than making things up, and having a difference of opinion/perspective is exponentially more common than both of them put together. The left needs to do a better job of distinguishing between u-r-racist and what-you-said-seems-racist. The right needs to do a better job of l-I-s-t-e-n-I-n-g and l-e-a-r-n-I-n-g.

I brought the skit up to illustrate how it can be pretty low-hanging fruit to get a pretty predictable reaction out of most Black people when you’re deliberately flirting with that line, just like if I avoid saying the word “woman” it’s easy to predict getting a rise out of right-wing extremists. That’s not because Black people make things up or are overly sensitive or anything else negative. It’s because they have very good reason — historically AND currently — to be hyper-vigilant.

As far as I’m concerned, BYU has handled this well from the very beginning. They reacted quickly with apologies, denouncing what was alleged, and what amounts to a temporary suspension of someone while an investigation was completed. (No different from putting an LEO on administrative duty after any fatal shooting while the investigation is completed, imo.) They completed a full investigation in a timely manner and went public with their findings without disparaging Ms Richardson in any way.
We always bring up other race hoaxes when discussing this weeks race hoax because you always comment on how rare they are
 
She said that this month? And you already know she's a liar? Geez, even the dude who is about to drop his end of the piano down the stairs means it a couple seconds earlier when he's saying, "I got it! I got it!" :rolleyes:
Over two million border crossings in the past year so she’s a liar. Not complicated. Your metaphor is not on point
 
Wow, can't believe y'all overlooked this! It was on FoxNews 15 days ago, even.

"Since June, though, pump prices have fallen more than $1.20 per gallon."

The last time anyone mentioned gas prices here at all was June 27th. Tell me more about how it's just the left who ignores things that don't fit their agenda in favor of their go-to topics. Or tell me more about how you hate BOTH extremes (before getting right back to criticizing only the left).

You're in luck, though! National gas prices rose by 1¢ today, the first rise in 99 days. Now you can blame President Biden for it again!
 
Over two million border crossings in the past year so she’s a liar. Not complicated. Your metaphor is not on point
He brings nothing to the table, nothing. All he is is your typical 2022 SJW. Which is a white liberal.

The scariest predator on the planet.
 
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We always bring up other race hoaxes when discussing this weeks race hoax because you always comment on how rare they are
Today marks the 14th day I've participated in this thread since the beginning of August. 14/52. That's about 2 days per week. I don't "always" comment on anything.
 
Wow, can't believe y'all overlooked this! It was on FoxNews 15 days ago, even.

"Since June, though, pump prices have fallen more than $1.20 per gallon."

The last time anyone mentioned gas prices here at all was June 27th. Tell me more about how it's just the left who ignores things that don't fit their agenda in favor of their go-to topics. Or tell me more about how you hate BOTH extremes (before getting right back to criticizing only the left).

You're in luck, though! National gas prices rose by 1¢ today, the first rise in 99 days. Now you can blame President Biden for it again!
Nice try, but as usual, you’re wrong. Gas prices are still much higher than they were 2 years ago.

Biden took no blame for them rising, so he gets no credit for them “falling.”
 
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Over two million border crossings in the past year so she’s a liar. Not complicated. Your metaphor is not on point
You know when a car alarm starts going somewhere nearby and it seems to go on forever? Know what I think to myself when it is finally turned off? "The car alarm off-ness has been secured." :rolleyes:

You quoted her from September of 2022. That's this month.
 
Nice try, but as usual, you’re wrong. Gas prices are still much higher than they were 2 years ago.
Yet no one has mentioned them here at all since June 27th, 12 days into what ended up being 98* straight days of falling prices. (*I said 99 days previously, probs b/c I'm such a liar.)
 
How about instead of my being a liar, delusional, or both, you just need to get out more, or stop being such a coward that you have to vilify a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g you disagree with? Or both?
The scariest predator on the planet.
You don't have enough fingers X toes X teeth to count to the number of times you've doubled-down already.
 
You don't have enough fingers X toes X teeth to count to the number of times you've doubled-down already.
Double down? You’re just a clown, or troll. I stay consistent with my beliefs. Racism isn’t as bad as you try selling it. Of course, you need racism. It’s a diversion from the real issues. Like the border, inflation, how we are perceived across the globe…

You ignore facts, and deny them even when shown you’re wrong. Which is all the time.
 
You know when a car alarm starts going somewhere nearby and it seems to go on forever? Know what I think to myself when it is finally turned off? "The car alarm off-ness has been secured." :rolleyes:

You quoted her from September of 2022. That's this month.
I know it’s this month How insecure the border is has been front and center this month due to Abbott and Desantis sending bus loads of migrants to sanctuary areas where they will be cherished and appreciated and far away from the evil red states. Win for everyone right?
 
Yet no one has mentioned them here at all since June 27th, 12 days into what ended up being 98* straight days of falling prices. (*I said 99 days previously, probs b/c I'm such a liar.)
We don’t make note of the sun coming up every day either. Obvious and predictable. Still way higher than when he took office, coming down for midterms but still high enough to try to push radical green agenda. Failure in Europe, will be a disaster here.
 
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Yet no one has mentioned them here at all since June 27th, 12 days into what ended up being 98* straight days of falling prices. (*I said 99 days previously, probs b/c I'm such a liar.)
If not for Biden, they’d have never risen that much in the first place. Half of the rise in prices occurred before Russias invasion which also would have not happened if Trump were still in office so don’t waste our time with the same old lies and half truths
 
Saying gas prices are down 98 straight days is like me stealing 300 dollars from you, and paying you back 1 dollar for the last 98 days and saying look I gave you $98! Look how good I’m doing. Uhhh well yeah, but you also stole $300 and thus still owe me $202.

Gas prices are still well up over a dollar per gallon on average from the day he took office. Fluctuations occur, but this is egregious. It still costs me at least $15 more every time I fill up. Filling up twice a month that’s a solid $30 more out of my pocket.

For families who drive to and from work, dropping their kids off at school etc. that number is much much higher for them. That’s less money in their pockets every month. And with the ridiculous inflation causing groceries to be much much higher, that’s less food they can afford to put on the table every week, month.

Saying they’ve “come down 98 straight days,” while technically true, is disingenuous and it’s the classic fireman who started the fire wants credit for putting a portion of the fire out.
 
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