Oh Jesus... comes blazing in with blatant insults, calls names, and then tries to turn it around? Cry me a river.
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Oh Jesus... comes blazing in with blatant insults, calls names, and then tries to turn it around? Cry me a river.
Speaking of insults, I believe you came at Mac9192 first by calling him a dick. You may be sincere, but you do come across as a "self absorbent know it all." I enjoy reading different views, but I will refrain from reading any more of your posts. Oh yeah, Drew Brees spoke from his heart and should have never felt like he had to apologize for how he feels about the American Flag and his country. I guess those against him feel like all of his charity work was for show. I'm out!
Thanks @dukesince91. I’ve told myself talking politics is a dead end, but I dove in. Guess I’ve been itching to talk something on this board, I just happened to talk on things that are extremely touchy. I think @TheDude1 is a decent guy. His confidence is high on politics. Personally, I think he’s delusional, where he probably thinks I’m dumb in these matters.
It is crazy times. I still don’t understand why they’re making Floyd out to be a hero, and have had multiple funeral gatherings, even covered on tv. I think Biden sent a video message to the family today in Houston. All the while, David Dorn has been an afterthought during this same time.
I've searched every page of this thread for that, and can't find it.
Not only have I NOT found me calling Mac a dick... I found all of this that I have said in this thread:
Brees said something that hurt many people, including his friends and teammates, even though that was not his intent. I am glad he is man enough to accept that it hurt people and apologize for that, and that his teammates accepted it.
So quotas are a very difficult thing.
It sucks for the white folks or whomever misses on a college spot or a job or whatever, because of quotas.
But maybe I'm reading it wrong
Some people are reluctant to acknowledge it, but there are some massive, fundamental issues in the African American community as a whole (and yes, obviously discussing something as huge as "the African American community" minimizes individual differences).
Second, I never claimed I know everything involved.
Its a BIG topic, with a huge number of factors and centuries of cause and effect. That makes it hard to discuss.
Ill be damned if I have any real answers though!
We are doing better, but man, there is a long way to go, and honestly I doubt we will ever really end it... but we can make it better for sure.
So I was thinking back to what you were asking... and listen, I dont' have any answers, I'm a bunch of years away from current research...
The beauty of it is that I genuinely think we are in as good a place as we've ever been, current shit show notwithstanding. I think the majority of people want the right thing to happen
I WILL agree that Al Sharpton... not a fan.
David Dorn was killed by murdering criminals.
...people who are clearly on the other side of the spectum, like Mac or Pisgah, I liked shooting the shit with. I have always said I am sure we all agree on way more than we disagree with, and that we could all sit and have a drink together and talk basketball...
In the end, I look at each poster here as a person, not just as some random internet face, and I value the conversation between us exactly because of that. It doesn't always go smoothly, there are times I wish I had said something differently or hadn't given in to frustration, and there are DEFINITELY times it depresses the heck out of me, but overall I think its worth it, and I try to add to the conversation rather than detract.
There are a number of people on this forum with more conservative views who are worth engaging with
People face to face, one on one, tend to be better to each other.
Yes, I think (Drew Brees) did speak from the heart, and I don't think he meant to hurt anyone. From what I know of Brees, he is a good dude. He realized that what he said really hurt a lot of people, including friends, who made that pain clear very passionately. He didn't backpedal; he listened to what people he cared about said, apologized for causing pain in people he cared about, and said he would remember this. That's a man, right there.
These things suck, but we as a nation will come out of it better.
Man, I didn't even post anything yet, and I'm already getting attacked? WTF?
How about this; I won't nitpick it and show everyone why I'm the smartest person in the room, since I don't think that is true.
But I WILL take what you wrote seriously and respond to each point thoroughly. Because your words matter, and I will take them seriously.
I hope that is okay.
There are plenty of things we can find middle ground on... in fact, I think most of us have far more in common than different.
So are there some benefits (to being a minority)? Sure... if you can check a minority box on a college application, that helps!
So! @dukesince91 ... I'm sorry if I was a touch sarcastic here and there... it IS the internet, after all, and this is a touchy subject, and I am only human... but I've taken you literally and seriously, for everything you've posted. I literally took 20 minutes out of a really busy day to respond, and looked up stats and everything to give what I am saying some factual support. And I did it because I believe everyone posting here is a person worth interacting with, including you.
I hope the middle ground we found... that racism will always exist, that there ARE some benefits to being a minority, that we agree that black lives matter... can be enough that you can take seriously my points where we DON'T agree.
Because as much as I disagree with @Mac9192 , I still f'ing value him as a PERSON, and value interacting with him, and value his beliefs, and believe that we are all decent people at heart and it is worth discussing, no matter how hard it gets or how angry we get or how upset we get.
That's a VERY generous reading of that story (from Miserplex about her teacher)... you ask me, that teacher was f'ing horrible, full stop.
So all of that in a single thread... apologizing to people (including you) and saying pretty-non-traditionally-liberal things like "Quotas are tough" or "I don't think Drew Brees meant anything bad" and "I don't like Al Sharpton" and saying "I don't have any answers" and saying that I do not think I am the smartest person in the room and that we as a country are in a better place than ever, and literally bold-facing that I value Mac and saying that I value the opinions of most of the conservatives here... hell, I even defending Miserplex or whatever in her story about her teacher AFTER she went after me...
... all of that, and I come across as a "self absorbent know it all."
Come on, man. That's just unfair.
It sounds like people he actually knows, likes and respects (current and former teammates) may have actually reached out to him and had real conversations with him, explaining how the protests were never about the military, veterans or those who currently serve. Crazy as this is going to sound, maybe through listening he learned and changed his perspective about something.
Thanks, I think?
Listen man... there is a LOT I don't know about.
But politics and race and history... it is the thing I've been most interested in my ENTIRE LIFE. I mean... other than women
When I was six I was reading biographies of Erwin Rommel.
When I was like 8 I literally had to get held back by my parents in the West Village after I went after a homeless guy for giving a mixed race couple a hard time.
In second grade I made my best friend when some asshole called him a "chink" and I went over the table after the kid.
In elementary school I was the guy who ran the Student Council campaigns for literally every kid in my grade, even the ones who were running against each other, because I love that shit.
My man cave is full of relics from the American Civil War, which is the era that I have always been fascinated by... and there's a lot that goes with that.
My three degrees were literally in Religion, African American Studies, and History, because these are things I've always been interested in.
Black frat, black football team, black school... none of it purposefully because of people being black, but man, I've been around black folks a lot.
I know that people get pissed at me because I write really long winded shit that involves a crap ton of history, and I know that sometimes I get super frustrated at when things go sideways. I think most of the issues are the problems of the internet, because I don't think I've ever had a serious disagreement in my "real" life.
But I appreciate that you get I am a decent dude.
Geez, @TheDude1, I was going to apologize for calling you a jerk, but I unblocked you and wow! You can you dish it out, but you can't take it. Here's your river:
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You've been very rude to me in the past and I let it go. If you keep posting mean-spirited things like you do, it's only a matter of time before someone says something. I am sorry for the name calling. That was wrong of me. If you think I'm going to put up with your BS of insinuating I'm stupid, you're wrong. It takes a lot to make me angry and you've crossed a line with me. I'll make you a deal. You leave me alone and I'll do the same.
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You've been very rude to me in the past and I let it go. If you keep posting mean-spirited things like you do, it's only a matter of time before someone says something. I am sorry for the name calling. That was wrong of me. If you think I'm going to put up with your BS of insinuating I'm stupid, you're wrong. It takes a lot to make me angry and you've crossed a line with me. I'll make you a deal. You leave me alone and I'll do the same.
Thanks, I think?
Listen man... there is a LOT I don't know about.
But politics and race and history... it is the thing I've been most interested in my ENTIRE LIFE. I mean... other than women
When I was six I was reading biographies of Erwin Rommel.
When I was like 8 I literally had to get held back by my parents in the West Village after I went after a homeless guy for giving a mixed race couple a hard time.
In second grade I made my best friend when some asshole called him a "chink" and I went over the table after the kid.
In elementary school I was the guy who ran the Student Council campaigns for literally every kid in my grade, even the ones who were running against each other, because I love that shit.
My man cave is full of relics from the American Civil War, which is the era that I have always been fascinated by... and there's a lot that goes with that.
My three degrees were literally in Religion, African American Studies, and History, because these are things I've always been interested in.
Black frat, black football team, black school... none of it purposefully because of people being black, but man, I've been around black folks a lot.
I know that people get pissed at me because I write really long winded shit that involves a crap ton of history, and I know that sometimes I get super frustrated at when things go sideways. I think most of the issues are the problems of the internet, because I don't think I've ever had a serious disagreement in my "real" life.
But I appreciate that you get I am a decent dude.
Thanks, I think?
Listen man... there is a LOT I don't know about.
But politics and race and history... it is the thing I've been most interested in my ENTIRE LIFE. I mean... other than women
When I was six I was reading biographies of Erwin Rommel.
When I was like 8 I literally had to get held back by my parents in the West Village after I went after a homeless guy for giving a mixed race couple a hard time.
In second grade I made my best friend when some asshole called him a "chink" and I went over the table after the kid.
In elementary school I was the guy who ran the Student Council campaigns for literally every kid in my grade, even the ones who were running against each other, because I love that shit.
My man cave is full of relics from the American Civil War, which is the era that I have always been fascinated by... and there's a lot that goes with that.
My three degrees were literally in Religion, African American Studies, and History, because these are things I've always been interested in.
Black frat, black football team, black school... none of it purposefully because of people being black, but man, I've been around black folks a lot.
I know that people get pissed at me because I write really long winded shit that involves a crap ton of history, and I know that sometimes I get super frustrated at when things go sideways. I think most of the issues are the problems of the internet, because I don't think I've ever had a serious disagreement in my "real" life.
But I appreciate that you get I am a decent dude.
Which frat?
He is by far from the only one who thinks that. There is a lot of political/social/economic stuff we do not always see eye to eye on, but there is one thing that binds us - GTHCGTH. Your posts are very enlightening to me, and sometimes change inducing. Don't back off.Thanks, I think?
Listen man... there is a LOT I don't know about.
But politics and race and history... it is the thing I've been most interested in my ENTIRE LIFE. I mean... other than women
When I was six I was reading biographies of Erwin Rommel.
When I was like 8 I literally had to get held back by my parents in the West Village after I went after a homeless guy for giving a mixed race couple a hard time.
In second grade I made my best friend when some asshole called him a "chink" and I went over the table after the kid.
In elementary school I was the guy who ran the Student Council campaigns for literally every kid in my grade, even the ones who were running against each other, because I love that shit.
My man cave is full of relics from the American Civil War, which is the era that I have always been fascinated by... and there's a lot that goes with that.
My three degrees were literally in Religion, African American Studies, and History, because these are things I've always been interested in.
Black frat, black football team, black school... none of it purposefully because of people being black, but man, I've been around black folks a lot.
I know that people get pissed at me because I write really long winded shit that involves a crap ton of history, and I know that sometimes I get super frustrated at when things go sideways. I think most of the issues are the problems of the internet, because I don't think I've ever had a serious disagreement in my "real" life.
But I appreciate that you get I am a decent dude.
Alpha Phi Alpha.
They needed some non pledges in their house, and I was good friends with the president. Had a GREAT room.
(All of the frats were in on-campus housing.)
So shit... that is like the second super-nice thing you've said lately. Listen, I actually really, genuinely appreciate it.
These conversations do sometimes wear me down a bit... and I never MEAN to come off as being as asshole or anything (well, outside of when it gets personal and it seems that the person is just mean and aggressive and it's obviously "internet-go-time")... I honestly join in on them because I want to try to... I don't know, to help? To educate? (I know that sounds terrible, but I am a teacher at heart!) To find common ground?
Whatever, I definitely don't get into them to fight, and I hate when it goes that way... it literally bothers me, like in real life
But man, when we have a "come together" moment... I really like those. Because while we are just internet names on a forum in one way, we are all just... people. End of the day, I think all of us would get along just fine if we sat and had a beer.
Hey, if I say something that comes off wrong, just tell me, I'll try to get it together.
Okay, enough rambling. Gotta go play 2k with a Kentucky fan.
(At least it isn't a UNC fan!)
We can agree to disagree on Obama and Trump. Obama is far from perfect. I have many issues with his presidency. Arrogance wasn't one of them though. Trump leadership style is rooted solely in arrogance, deceit, and divisiveness though. With that said, I hope things are well your way! Stay safe!
For the record, threads like this are driving away a lot of posters. It would probably be wise to take this stuff to a different forum. There are plenty of free forum hosts to accomplish this. Then we could actually talk about Duke Basketball or make fun of the cheaters.
You could also just ignore threads that veer too deeply into politics and be active on the basketball threads. You chose to post; no one forced you to do it.
Upon reflection I am now somewhat saddened Drew Brees "walked back" his earlier thoughts on OUR flag. I know I originally endorsed his earlier apologies, etc....However if I was betting house money I still think he focuses on both grandfathers fighting for our freedoms during times of war.
Certainly Kaepernick has been allowed
to kneel during our song of natural admiration for our flag. Why shouldnt Brees be allowed to express hIs TRUE VIEWS. Heaven forbid the Brees couple went overboard in my opinion apologizing: Brees issued two apologies on twitter, and even his wife once on Instagram! Overkill.....Kaepernick and Brees should be treated as EQUALS, not one's view SUPERIOR to another. OFC
Certainly Kaepernick has been allowed
to kneel during our song of natural admiration for our flag. Why shouldnt Brees be allowed to express hIs TRUE VIEWS. Heaven forbid the Brees couple went overboard in my opinion apologizing: Brees issued two apologies on twitter, and even his wife once on Instagram! Overkill.....Kaepernick and Brees should be treated as EQUALS, not one's view SUPERIOR to another. OFC
Hart, Brees is allowed to express his own views. That's never been in question.
But he has to be prepared for people to respond to his views.
THAT is what happened. He said something. People got upset. He realized that what he said, the way he expressed it, really hurt a lot of people, including a lot of people that matter to him, and a massive part of the city that cheers for him.
I think it was quite good of him to say what he said. Nobody ever told him he cannot respect the flag. Nobody ever forced him to say he didn't care about his family service. People just said that the way he phrased it showed he wasn't understanding, and he said that he did understand and he was sorry that his wording made it seem that way.
This is part of what he said:
“In an attempt to talk about respect, unity, and solidarity centered around the American flag and the national anthem, I made comments that were insensitive and completely missed the mark on the issues we are facing right now as a country.
“They lacked awareness and any type of compassion or empathy. Instead, those words have become divisive and hurtful and have misled people into believing that somehow I am an enemy. This could not be further from the truth, and is not an accurate reflection of my heart or my character.”
All of this is true. He meant to speak on respect and unity. Given what is going on, the way he phrased it was a bit insensitive and missed the mark on issues we are facing right now. His words weren't terribly aware, and they didn't display any empathy. They became divisive, and misled people into thinking Brees was against them. He is not, and wants to make that clear.
I don't see anything there that is bad.
And the idea that Brees is considered inferior to Kaep... dude, the guy was blackballed from his career, attacked by an entire arm of media, and got countless death threats. Come on now.
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Its Hart not "Borden." Dude,
please be a bit more less condescending as others have asked, ok....
Mr B we know you can do it...
Sorry pal this is one time I must agree with our "Commander-In-Chief." Have a good day, I really like you and respect your highlight your intellect greatly. I did think the letter to your students yesterday posted was cool, but smacked a touch of self-promotion. Oh by the way Kaepernick did pretty well- cashing in on his stance with Nike...
OFC
I just think we're upside down right now. Brees meant no disrespect, and in my opinion, he should have simply said I meant no disrespect to anyone, just that this is how I feel about the flag. He folded though. Say what you mean, and stick to it. Kaep has held firm, even taking fire from many. Whether I agree with him, he has taken a stance.
Rev Sharpton was his normal 'fan the flames' yesterday in Houston. That man likes the camera more than a swimsuit model. Did he even know Mr Floyd? Yet there he is, championing another wrongful death of a black man by the police, and a white one at that.
Has anyone seen the video of the cops in Atlanta, and their altercation with the 2 students?
Rev Sharpton was his normal 'fan the flames' yesterday in Houston. That man likes the camera more than a swimsuit model. Did he even know Mr Floyd? Yet there he is, championing another wrongful death of a black man by the police, and a white one at that.
Has anyone seen the video of the cops in Atlanta, and their altercation with the 2 students?
Brees did fold like a cheap suit and I can understand the disappointment of POTUS for his doing so. I am sure as Dude noted, Kap received plenty of "death threats" as Dude referenced for his stance. However I do admire Kap's courage for staying with it. We need that right now, AND a much better divisive world. However I must say I do think Brees would have been subjected to much the same had he gone the Kap route- OFC
I don't really get this comparison. Both men were "allowed" to express their feelings in the medium of their choosing. Brees was not fined, arrested, or jailed. His twitter privileges were not revoked and he did not lose his job. But, words have consequences, sometimes good, sometimes bad and if you are going to use such a public platform, you have to be ready for others to weigh in. As The Dude pointed out, Kaepernick faced far more serious consequences for his stand (and for those who think he was disrespecting the military, google Kapernick and navy seal. you might be surprised what you find out). As to the idea that Brees "folded like a cheap suit," that may well be. Isn't it also possible that he listened to the opinions of people he respected, i.e. his teammates, was confronted with different perspectives and learned from them? That is really what we all should be doing right now, and yes on both sides of the political aisle. So maybe we should be applauding Brees for being a mensch.
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Sorry Hart, I just got the name wrong... going into this same thing a bit on the national board
Absolutely nothing I said was meant to be condescending. Was it the "Come on man?" I was just meaning that you are saying that Kaep is being treated like his opinion is superior... but I don't see this being the case, given the death threats and the blackballing from his job and the President himself attacking him.
Yes, Kaep did make money. Nothing wrong with that.
And I'm sorry you found the letter to be self-absorbed.
This, times a million.
If ANY of you had friends respond in a hurt way like that to something you said, I promise that you would take a similar stance.
At least, I hope you would.
It isn't about bowing down or folding or the PR or whatever... Its just being decent.
SDevada no disrespect for your right to your opinion at all....Thats why we are all here. Enjoy your day, and thanks for taking time to read my posts. I am glad it moved you to convey your own thoughts! OFC
Sorry Hart, I just got the name wrong... going into this same thing a bit on the national board
Absolutely nothing I said was meant to be condescending. Was it the "Come on man?" I was just meaning that you are saying that Kaep is being treated like his opinion is superior... but I don't see this being the case, given the death threats and the blackballing from his job and the President himself attacking him.
Yes, Kaep did make money. Nothing wrong with that.
And I'm sorry you found the letter to be self-absorbed.
ALL is good sir! Good post, I can somewhat understand your views. I do think however Kaepernick's stance is now seen as far "superior." It just makes some of us elderly folk upset the protests come during our salute to our flag. I love it when bands, the color guards, etc unfurl those HUGE beautiful red white and blue symbols honoring our military heroes across a football field.
OFC
Thought people might find this interesting.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-nfls-tangled-ties-with-the-national-anthem-dont-run-deep/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-nfls-tangled-ties-with-the-national-anthem-dont-run-deep/
Fascinating! We don't often think about the PR side of our military... interesting that they paid for that!
No problem... I mean, I think that Kaeps stance is sort of a "bigger" one in that it is about a societal problem and not a personal thing so much, so in that way it gets more attention, but I feel like half the country agrees with each guy and half disagrees, you know?
Hart, can I ask a question, because something you said has sort of stuck with me...?
What about my letter to my kids seemed self absorbed? Was it me posting it, or what I wrote?
It all boils down to money. People act like we've been doing this for years in the NFL. Now Baseball is a different story.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/history-national-anthem-sports_n_5afc9bcfe4b06a3fb50d5056
I have a question for those upset by Kaepernick's peaceful kneeling to protest racial injustice. What should he have done differently? Do you stand at home when the anthem is played? Do you wear any clothing with the flag on it? How do you feel about blankets, bikinis, shirts, shorts, sunglasses, beer labels/koozies made to resemble the flag? The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Do any of you support the flying of the confederate flag? I find it a bit odd when a great deal of the same people who express outrage at Kap for kneeling are also the ones I encountered who hold the confederate flag near and dear to their heart. Not saying anyone here is like that. However, it is a flag that represents a militarized succession of the United States whose purpose was to fight to have their right to keep slaves. Literally represents an army that fought against the United States and yet we have many who hold on to it with "pride". Then many years later it was championed by the KKK and flown consistently during the time of Jim Crow. We've seen it fashioned by many hate groups since then as a way of championing their hate based causes. Today neo-Nazi groups often display it alongside swastikas and other race hate motifs. And yet, I always hear about "southern pride" when speaking of the flag. Being from the south I feel no pride when I see that flag flying. I guess my point is, where is the outrage over something that is truly disrespectful to the American Flag? Why are we all not in agreement that the confederate flag belongs in a museum only? The flag's history is rooted in hate and defiance towards everything the American flag stands for.
Posting the entire letter. Honestly I had no interest in it.Besides I am sure you are an outstanding educator and I applaud you for it, quite candidly. Dude I needed no proof of it....OFC
Chalk it up to weakness... miserplex took a “wise” shot at something that means a lot to me, especially in the week that I’m saying goodbye the young people I spent the year with and then had this whole covid thing happen with.... Been a tough time. Just my response, if that makes sense.
Oh man, don’t even get me started.
I have more battle flags of the ANV in my house than anyone, anywhere..
(And have to point out that it is the battle flag of a specific army, not the Stars and Bars national flag, that gets flown)
... and holy shit, the idea of flying the battle flag that was flown over troops who LITERALLY KILLED AMERICAN SERVICEMEN...
... I just don’t get it, unless you hate our nation and our military, in which case... you may proceed, governor.
My argument is that it shouldn't be flown outside of a home, on a car, on a flag poll in front of a business/gov't building, etc. People wear it around where I live like a badge of honor. Yet they get upset over the black man peacefully kneeling at a football game? I don't get it. I know the history of the different flags used during the war btw. I take issue with the one the racists decided would represent their violent hateful interests and then the South embracing it nonetheless. In Germany you don't see swastikas flying everywhere, on shirts, on license plates along with the German flag, etc. We have that here. I can't tell you how many licence plates I have seen that include the American Flag along with the confederate flag. Why?
I don’t see eye to eye with some of you here on a these issues we’ve been debating for a few days now. I am not sure that BLM is truly after equality. I think they are profiting off other blacks experiences.
Nothing has been made about the 2 Atlanta policemen fired a few days ago for excessive force on the 2? black students. The policemen are black. No one can convince me if they were white, this would get more pub. It would piggyback the Floyd story.
I agree with you guys about the Confederate flag.
Nothing has been made about the 2 Atlanta policemen fired a few days ago for excessive force on the 2? black students. The policemen are black. No one can convince me if they were white, this would get more pub. It would piggyback the Floyd story.
I agree with you guys about the Confederate flag.
Just to be clear, I was totally agreeing with you
It shouldn't be flown anyway. It is the battle flag of a traitor nation that killed American soldiers.
Just to be clear, I was totally agreeing with you
Oh i know man. We're good bro. Agreed.
I understand, and agree with, protesting against actual police brutality. But the protest should be limited to that, especially in a country, unlike many others, which protects the right to protest against authority. However, Kaepernick's protest was not so limited, by his own admission, and, in fact, it disrespected our country AS A WHOLE. In addition, reports that he and his girlfriend were admirers of the black panthers prevented me from having any empathy with his message. If his message is that he hates everything about America, let him stew until he rethinks things. If I were a club owner, I would not want him, even now, absent some indication that he acknowledges that, as an American, there is still a lot that he needs to be thankful for. I just think it is sad that Kaepernick's name is cited in connection with what is unquestionably a righteous protest. OFC.
