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On Probation vs. Under Investigation: Final Four marred by schools with scandals...

The Final Four matchups are now set. In one national semifinal, we have Villanova vs. Oklahoma. In the other, we have On Probation vs. Under Investigation.

Also known as the Outside Counsel Billable Hours Invitational, underwritten by Bond, Schoeneck & King. Also known as Questions 1 through 30 for NCAA president Mark Emmert, should he have his annual meeting with the media in Houston. Also known as Syracuse vs. North Carolina.

In college sports’ ongoing game of scandal Russian Roulette, the chamber was destined to come up loaded at some point. And so we have this: a Final Four contest matching a team that played nine games without its coach this season as part of NCAA sanctions, against a program that has been under interminable investigation after what the school itself admits was systemic academic fraud that went on for nearly two decades.

Some of the scandal-scarred are big-time programs that can overcome turbulent times and still manage to make it into the marquee events. Thus we have the Orange and the Tar Heels, who punched their tickets to the Final Four on Sunday.

They also have engaged in some savvy navigation of the NCAA waters to help make this possible. They beat four teams each to make it to Houston, and you could argue they also beat the system.

In mid-August, North Carolina went Four Corners on the NCAA and delayed its endlessly ongoing academic fraud case until after this promising season was complete. Dean Smith would have been proud of the stall ball: The school announced that it found additional violations in women’s basketball and men’s soccer that would delay its response to a Notice of Allegations and thus extend the timetable for the entire case.

Thus a rather awkward Final Four matchup is set – at least it’s awkward for those who want to believe that NCAA crime doesn’t pay. None of the current players were involved in any of the shenanigans at either Syracuse or North Carolina – but both coaches were on the scene when stuff happened. They haven’t enjoyed the trip through the enforcement labyrinth, but it hasn’t stopped them, either.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/on-pro...by-schools-with-scandals-045055152-ncaab.html
 
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Roy Williams and the UNC Tar Heels Can Go To Hell

On the eve of its eleventh anniversary, I took some time the other night to watch the 2005 Illinois Fighting Illini complete an epic comeback against the Arizona Wildcats in the Elite 8. One of the greatest games in the history of the NCAA tournament propelled Illinois to the Final Four, where they would eventually fall to the North Carolina Tar Heels in the NCAA championship game.

Of course, as it turns out, a familiar story was playing out: UNC was playing well outside the rules, as a 2014 re-opening of an older investigation would later confirm. Second-leading scorer Rashad McCants would later confirm that not only did tutors write all of his essays, but he even landed on the Dean's List for a semester during which he never once attended a class. As it turned out, the African-American and Diaspora Studies major largely consisted of sham courses with an end-of-term essay as their only requirements. This had been traced back to at least 1997, during the last days of Dean Smith's tenure as head coach. I'll put aside the irony of Dean Smith's Wikipedia page classifying him as an "American civil rights activist" when practices initiated during his tenure have tarnished the reputation of the entire field of African-American studies, which will surely face criticism for being a "fake major" as it was at UNC. Instead I'll talk about the fallout from a scandal serious enough to gain attention from accrediting bodies.

The most similar case to the UNC scandal was perpetrated by the Minnesota Golden Gophers men's basketball team under Clem Haskins. The NCAA hit Minnesota with major sanctions including the dreaded "lack of institutional control." As USA Today's Steve Weiberg wrote back in 2001:

It was two years ago last March that the St. Paul Pioneer Press began pulling back the curtain on what the NCAA eventually would classify as the worst academic scandal to hit a college athletic program in a couple of decades, revolving around a tutor who wrote papers for at least 18 players over a 5-year period and a coach — Clem Haskins — who allegedly tolerated the practice.

Haskins was forced to resign, as was the athletic director, and the 1997 Final Four appearance was vacated. Scholarship and recruiting restrictions damaged the program considerably. They've been to the tournament just four times since the 1999 scandal, with the first coming in 2005, and haven't been back to the Sweet 16. Haskins was hit with a seven year show-cause penalty.

Although it shouldn't make a difference, some would argue that a top athletic brand would be treated differently, and there's some truth to this. See, the same year Roy Williams got his first title, the USC Trojans football team under Pete Carroll had won the 2004 BCS National Championship (yes, the game was played in 2005), which was later vacated due to players (especially Reggie Bush) receiving substantial payments. To this day, Carroll is criticized for his conveniently-timed jump to the NFL just before the sanctions came.

So, what became of Roy Williams and the Tar Heels? Where are they now that the NCAA charged them with a lack of institutional control last June?

They're in the ******* Final Four!

Somehow, the fact that even more institutional fraud in other sports emerged meant the sanctions were delayed indefinitely. Quite convenient timing, considering that Roy Williams described this year's Tar Heels as "his favorite team of all time". This team will send most of its players to the NBA, and Williams will retire at that juncture. Then and only then will the NCAA consider acting. Even though the University is being sued by former athletes because they received no education, the Roy Williams Basketball Academy has rolled into the Final Four because the NCAA lacks either the authority or the will to step in and say that this is not acceptable.

Of course, they were much more decisive with SMU, which is good, because at least the sanctity of the tournament was preserved by banning a team that was poised to follow up its play-in game loss to UCLA last year with a potential Round of 32 run.

A former UNC football player indicated that the football program's sanctions under Butch Davis were for exactly what the basketball team had been doing. Roy WIlliams is absolute slime, and yet CBS will spend at least one more full-game broadcast ********* him before this tournament is over. Here's a look back at Roy Williams' first NCAA title:

2005 NCAA title team:
Jackie Manuel - AFAM degree
Sean May - AFAM degree
David Noel - AFAM degree
Melvin Scott - AFAM degree
Reyshawn Terry - AFAM degree
Quentin Thomas - AFAM degree
Jawad Williams - AFAM degree
Marvin Williams - AFAM degree
Raymond Felton - No degree
Rashad McCants - No degree

It's entirely reasonable to say that not a single one of those players should have been academically eligible. Regardless of what rules the players and teams should or shouldn't be subject to, the rules are there and most other teams have to play by them. Retroactively vacating the 2005 and 2009 titles would be a nice gesture, but wouldn't really undo the damage. However, the least the NCAA could do is to prevent that slick ******* and his functionally illiterate student-athletes from continuing to benefit from fraud.

Instead, because they're North Carolina, here they are in the ******* Final Four again. Surely the way that the fouls suddenly started piling up against key Providence Friars late in the game was enough of an advantage for a team with UNC's raw basketball talent that they didn't need massive academic fraud to give them an extra boost.

I hope North Carolina gets crushed by the 10th-ranked team in their own conference (Syracuse) and I hope all their players eventually have to use their worthless degrees. I hope Roy Williams gets kicked out of the Hall of Fame and banned from basketball. If you are currently reading this post out loud to an illiterate UNC basketball player, I hope your name turns up in the final ruling and you get exiled along with Roy Williams.

None of that will happen though. The Final Four run of these UNC **** Heels destroys the NCAA's credibility and lays bare their favoritism, and the more lopsided their defeat is, the better off college basketball will be.

If you don't agree with this, I can only assume you're a Tar Heel born and a Tar Heel bred and you love a program that should be dead.

http://www.offtackleempire.com/2016...-cheating-fraud-ncaa-violations-investigation
 
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I like this Marcase dude. Even goes back into Roy's sordid past at KU. Heck , even I had forgotten about Lester Earl and the Sole Influence book. Google "Roy Williams and Tom Grant" sometime. lulz. Gawd , Roy's always been slimey...



Marcase: NCAA nightmare matchup in Final Four

Since the national media won’t have Cal and the Cats to kick around, perhaps they’ll focus on the national semifinal game between Syracuse and North Carolina.

You know, the one program that is currently on NCAA probation whose coach was suspended for nine games earlier this season taking on the other program that is currently being investigated for two decades worth of academic fraud.

And if you think Emmert’s handing the trophy to Boeheim would be downright awkward, imagine what it will be like if he has to present the trophy to North Carolina’s Roy Williams.

Why?

Because Emmert just may not let go of the trophy.

Carolina is currently waiting to see what punishment will be handed down for its academic scandal. Had the investigation been a little quicker — it was first reported roughly four years ago — then this Carolina team, which is favored to win the school’s sixth title, may have been declared ineligible

To be fair, it appears Carolina’s football team will suffer the brunt of the ensuing penalties. And there is rampant speculation the Carolina women’s basketball team is being served up on a silver platter to the NCAA by the school.

Why?

Because of ex-Tar Heel Rashard McCants’ claims the majority of the 2005 national championship basketball team was steered toward the bogus academic classes.

It wouldn’t fit the narrative North Carolina has tried for decades to portray as the “Carolina Way” of having a national championship or two being stripped from the school. It is alleged the fraud began in 1993, which is also the year sainted ex-Carolina coach Dean Smith won his second national title.

For years, Williams has been portrayed as an Andy Griffin-type, complete with his “aw-shucks” interviews and a sappy Coca-Cola commercial shortly after he left Kansas to return to Carolina as head coach.

Ask some longtime LSU officials about Williams and you might get a different response thanks to Williams’ role in the Lester Earl saga in 1997 that left the Tigers’ basketball program on probation, resulted in Dale Brown’s retirement and saw Earl transfer from LSU to Kansas.

Or better yet, read all about it in “Sole Influence,” an excellent book by Dan Wetzel and Don Yeager, and tell me again how Calipari and one-and-done basketball players are ruining college basketball.


http://www.thetowntalk.com/story/sp...e-ncaa-nightmare-matchup-final-four/82349952/
 
@starnewsacc is Brett Friedlander. He's a hole. Another example of a NC-based journalist wettin' himself when a NATIONAL writer dares critique the "flagship..."

 
Forde gets in some shots at Roy/unx...


Final Four Likability Index: Who rates highest?

If your program last won an NCAA tournament title during the Obama administration, add no points for freshness.

If your coach looked like a dork in his regional championship hat, deduct five points.

If your coach is a country bumpkin who wore his regional championship hat sideways like he's straight street, add two points for audacious absurdity.

If your school's program used to be like AFAM-ily, deduct 10 points.

If your coach's first name contains just three letters, add three points.

If your program's most famous alum has become a tragicomic Internet meme, deduct two points

If your school once had a star guard named Jordan, add 23 points.

If your school is perennially accused of having the conference office kowtow to you, deduct one point.

If your school wants to blame all its NCAA troubles on women's basketball, deduct 20 points.

If your school sent Yogi Ferrell's cute little sisters home, deduct two points.

If your school's coach cannot string together two sentences without a "dadgum" or a "frickin," deduct two points.

LIKEABILITY SCOREBOARD – FINAL SCORE: Villanova 33, Oklahoma 28, North Carolina 23, Syracuse 21.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/final-four-likability-index--who-rates-highest-213204543.html
 
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Since this is a UNC thread I'll put this here. Why is UNC and The UNC System named in this suit. I'm not looking for opinion just fact. This isn't the Brickyard.

I got the answer.

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Okay, 76, I`ll play. What is the answer? And are you sure it is the correct one? I imagine 87 knows and can state it eloquently. My own personal guess is that UNC and the UNC system enabled the cheating of athletes system so they must be sued with the NCAA.

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I believe because ofTitle IX and federal funding the UNC System is a main target of any discrimination suit.

UNC-Cheats is in a lot of situations that could affect their funding. Academic/athletic fraud, Pell Grant fraud, trouble with SACS now this.

Maybe a way to get the State government and the BOG moving on the Carolina academic fraud is to sue the whole UNC System over academic/athletic fraud. The government and each university would not want that so maybe they would sacrifice UNCheats athletics in a settlement.

Does this have any merit? Any possibility?

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Greenberg went from mocking the cheats a few weeks ago to reading from the PR script right from the Martin report. That's no accident. He go his orders from his employer to fall in line. Remember Giglio standing up and asking those tough questions in those early pressers? But he got castrated and taken off that assignment. Gravely and the other locals.....they all fall in line and tow the company line.

On another note from TOS, there is the belief that Emmert is the one who is preaching leniency for the cheats (1 yr ban) while the others believe he is corrupt and want something closer to 2-3 yr ban? Anybody else heard/confirm this?

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Just finished speaking with my friend at Learfield Sports and he says UNC expects to hear something by the end of May.
 
Column: Final Four matchup as much about scandals as baskets

...North Carolina, a school embroiled in one of the biggest NCAA academic scandals ever for enrolling athletes in sham classes and having tutors write their papers to keep them eligible.

There are some people, cynical as they might be, who believe the university found a way to delay upcoming NCAA penalties because the Tar Heels were loaded with talent this year and had a good chance to make the Final Four.

The Carolina coach will tell anyone who will listen that the basketball program is clean, and that most of the problems with the sham classes over a span of 18 years were with football and other athletic programs.

Left unsaid by Williams was that a university investigation showed 167 enrollments by basketball players into the African and Afro-American Studies program at the center of the scandal since he was named coach in 2003.

Players didn't need to go to classes in most cases because there weren't any. All they had to do was write a paper — or have someone write a paper for them — to get credits to remain eligible.

For those who care about real student-athletes, though, it just won't feel right to celebrate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...p-as-much-about-scandals-as-baskets/82393640/
 
This is unrelated to the scandal, but just goes to show the glaring difference between UNC and Duke. Truly proud of my alma mater for standing up for equal rights. Truly shameful that UNC "needs more time" to examine a law that inherently discriminates on its face:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...orth-carolina-law_us_56fad302e4b014d3fe246009

University of North Carolina President Margaret Spellings said Tuesday the school system is still working to understand a controversial anti-LGBT bill that was introduced, passed and signed into law last week.

In Spellings’ first statement about the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act, or H.B. 2, she refrained from criticizing the law, but said the university system still has a “commitment to providing a safe, secure and inclusive environment” for everyone in the campus community.

. . . . . . .

Duke University said, “we deplore any effort to deny any person the protection of the law because of sexual orientation or gender identity.”
 
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For Carolina and Syracuse, not all the fun is pure

All that was missing was an asterisk.

Two, actually.

One tagged to the top of the huge bright-orange "S" that now holds court on the Texans' humongous football home. Another tacked to the side of the powder-blue "NC" that's newly added to the glass exterior of NRG Stadium, next to the eye-catching logo and words we've all been waiting for: NCAA Final Four Houston 2016.

Syracuse*

North Caroina*

*-Dirty

Or cheaters, depending on how busted your bracket is or how hard you're pulling for "V" or "OU."

( Williams: )"I'm very proud of the fact we have no allegations against men's basketball. I like that part." Hmm.

We'll see.

College sports' all-knowing governing body is still investigating a nearly two-decade athletic horror show put on by a public school in Chapel Hill, N.C.

Academic fraud. Brawn over brains. Athletics run amok. All in the name of a few more yearly W's and another collection of kids to push into the sink-or-swim pipeline of sports life.

Williams takes all this very personally. He should.

While the NCAA idly twiddles its fat thumbs, the Tar Heels' longtime coach has his legacy, family and immediate future tied to the idea that No. 1 UNC has never needed to cheat to win. Five national titles and 19 Final Fours. The college of Dean Smith and creation of Michael Jordan. As far removed from UNLV, SMU, Connecticut and all the misguided screwups as can be.

Right?

It's easy to forget who cheated and who didn't, who lied and who covered up when the games are still so good.

You're not supposed to lie, cheat or break the rules. Everyone who cares knows that if you do, you're not supposed to get away with it.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...hp?t=b839d72649438d9cbb&cmpid=twitter-premium
 
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Lmao...just had a friend text an article that said Roy talks about the basketball progam is free from allegation. I love my friends but they're delusional and blind at the same time.
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Uhhhh , no...

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Rivals eager for UNC to be punished for scandal are getting what they want, slowly

You want North Carolina to suffer, and you want it now. Well, maybe not you, personally, but someone you know wants North Carolina to feel it. Or, at the very least, someone you’ve encountered through the realm of social media. Nothing positive happens with Tar Heels basketball without someone on Twitter taking a snarky swipe or lamenting the glacial pace of the NCAA’s examination of the university’s athletic program.

You’ve been aware for years — how many years now? Could it really be four years? — that there were practices within the academic structure at UNC that the school’s own investigators termed “aberrant” and that multiple examinations have shown ultimately benefitted a large number of the school’s intercollegiate athletes.

And nothing has happened publicly since ( unx received the NOA in May 2015. ) There is a reason for this, and it’s not that the NCAA has put this investigation into a four-corners stall. The pace of the process has been maddening to the Tar Heels’ rivals and opponents, but here is what all of them are missing:

Carolina is suffering. It doesn’t look like it, not with the Tar Heels traveling to Houston for the 2016 Final Four. It looks on the surface like they are living it up in Cabo with an open bar and daily massages. But the longer this goes on, the longer this goes on. Every day it continues is one day more the Tar Heels will not be permitted to get past it.

This, if you care not for North Carolina or what happened there, is your dream scenario.

If you think the Tar Heels have paid no price to date for these academic/athletic issues, you need to know about Harry Giles, Bam Adebayo and Dennis Smith. Each is a top-10 basketball prospect in what recruiting analysts and coaches believe is one of the deepest and most gifted classes in the past three decades. It may be the best since 1979, when James Worthy, Isiah Thomas, Dominique Wilkins and Ralph Sampson left high school.

Giles, Adebayo and Smith all grew up in North Carolina. You know what used to happen with elite basketball prospects who grew up in the state and were wanted by the Tar Heels?

It didn’t start with them. Last spring 6-9 forward Brandon Ingram was deciding on a college. He is from Kinston. That’s where Jerry Stackhouse grew up. Ingram, as we know, became one of the nation’s best freshmen this season at Duke.

If this process continues through the summer and into this fall, as it certainly could given our position on the calendar, then Williams could head to July’s Peach Jam event in South Carolina, an event he’d loved attending not all that long ago, aware the best players will be hearing more conjecture from other recruiters about the possibility their careers would be impacted by any potential sanctions imposed upon North Carolina basketball.

At the moment, it doesn’t matter whether there will be a postseason ban or scholarship reductions for UNC basketball. It only matters that there might be.

When it was due to respond to the allegations the NCAA presented last May, North Carolina answered that it had discovered additional issues that would require NCAA examination.

It has been surprising that whatever those additional issues might be required nearly a full academic year to examine, but it hasn’t had a positive impact on the basketball program

A price is being paid by coach Roy Williams, who has faced persistent questions about this situation and will hear still more as he arrives at his eighth Final Four as a head coach,

“Coming down to Houston, hopefully people will focus on the game, my players, what they're accomplishing, not the other stuff we don't have any control over. I'm really hopeful that will be the story down there.”

It probably won’t be, at least not until Saturday’s Carolina-Cuse game begins and for the few hours after it’s over. Then the conversation will return to whether the NCAA is moving too slowly in resolving the Carolina case. It’s not going away until it goes away.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...y-williams-recruiting-final-four-marcus-paige
 
THIS says everything ya need to know about priorities at the flagship. Can't copy/paste entire article because it's behind a paywall. Suffice to say , it's disgusting enough in it's brevity. The BOT bemoans the high cost of what? Lawyers? PR? Hush money? Roy's APR bonus? Nope. The hand-wringing is over...wait for it...here it comes...the high cost of complying with FOIA requests. That dadgum "transparency." And Carol talked about it so much. "Moving forward an' all? What a sheet hole...

UNC trustees irked by open-records costs.

As far as a couple of UNC-Chapel Hill trustees are concerned, it’s getting too darn expensive to comply with all the public-records requests that are targeting their campus of late.

http://www.heraldsun.com/news/unc-t...cle_2962710a-f60c-11e5-998f-3b443796492d.html
 
Here it is. Another source. Gawd. Exactly how many types of disgust do ya feel reading this crap? Duckett , btw , was a manager on some Dean Smith basketball teams back in tha day. Here he is whining like a little girl. Even wants to "stomp the ground." Guess he wants to fall down an cry an' scream too. What a beach. You just KNOW he's perennially drunk on "carolina way" Kool-Aid. McMahan wants to start charging people. unx recently admitted to paying over 10 million dollars for lawyers and PR. That's fine , I guess. Gotta protect those banners , right? But "transparency?" Nope. Too expensive. Pathetic. As soon as anyone ( Duke fan or otherwise ) finds something to like about that athletic program and those involved with it , feel free to post it. Won't hold my breath though....



As far as a couple of UNC-Chapel Hill trustees are concerned, it’s getting too darn expensive to comply with all the public-records requests that are targeting their campus of late.

Because the university in answering them has to screen out some information about employees and students that’s confidential under state or federal law, it’s had to go about “building a big institution within the institution” to handle them, trustee Chuck Duckett complained during the board’s most recent committee meetings.

That means paying hiring additional staff, temps to go through documents one by one, or in some cases full-time workers to process and pass along the information.

“At some point, you have to stomp the ground and say, ‘No, this is not right, enough is enough,’” Duckett told other members of the board’s external relations committee.

Another trustee, Ed McMahan, added they might have to ask state legislators to “clarify the law to say the people requesting [records] have to pay for them.”

The complaints surfaced after UNC’s vice chancellor for public affairs, Joel Curran, updated members on the university’s compliance with requests for the data that went into former federal prosecutor Ken Wainstein’s investigation of the so-called “paper classes” scandal.

All told, that means processing about 5 million pages’ worth of emails and other documents, Curran said.

UNC so far has released three big batches of documents, totaling several hundred thousand pages, and more are on the way. A briefing slide said more than 30 “full-time outside temps” are going over what’s left for things the law says have to be redacted.

The paper-classes scandal was a long-running fraud in the former Department of African and Afro-American Studies that allowed athletes, fraternity members and other students to earn easy grades in a course for turning in but a single, short paper.

The scandal, as Wainstein defined it, was that the courses were bogus, the grading being done for the most part by a department secretary instead of a faculty member.

The sheer volume of material comes because the scandal played out over two decades, and because a lot of people were involved, at least tangentially.

Wainstein and his investigative staff used computer searches to home in on the most critical documents; to ready them for public release, the university’s people have to go through them by hand.

And, as Duckett noted later, the records-request issue’s become bigger than just the scandal-related documents themselves.

“It’s not Wainstein per se that’s the issue,” Duckett said.

UNC gets new records requests on a near-daily basis, many on matters having nothing to do with paper-classes fraud.

And while many come from media groups, quite a few don’t.

The N.C. Department of Environmental Quality, for example, filed a big one earlier this month looking for material on any ties between the UNC School of Law and outside groups involved in a long-running pollution-permit lawsuit.

State public-records law allows agencies to charge the “actual cost” of copying a document, or, in cases requiring a lot of computer or clerical work, the actual cost of the necessary computer time or labor.

UNC-Chapel Hill, N.C. State University, UNC-Charlotte, East Carolina University and likely other campuses in the 17-campus UNC system all have policies on the books saying an $18-an-hour charge should kick in if the answer to a complex request takes more than four hours to prepare.

“We’re not asking for a new policy,” Duckett said. “It exists. We just don’t enforce it.”

The trouble is, the paper-classes scandal’s left the Chapel Hill campus under a microscope. And a lot of people, notably partisans of rival athletic programs like N.C. State’s, aren’t convinced Chapel Hill’s leaders have come clean about it.

In those circles, suspicion endures that even Wainstein’s investigation was narrowly focused, to tie off the scandal short of academic departments beyond Afro-American Studies and to protect the memory of longtime men’s basketball coach Dean Smith.

Pose that argument to Duckett, and the frustration comes through.

“What part have we not come clean about?” he said. “There’ve been seven investigations; we’ve opened up all the emails, [released] Wainstein and the documents behind it. Does it mean we’re not being forthcoming because they’re not finding what they want to find?”

And on that front, it’s not just public-records requests that get campus leaders torqued up.

Chancellor Carol Folt, for instance, spoke up during a December system Board of Governors committee debate to complain about the special reports it asks campuses to file on athletics-program admissions, academic performance and finances.

They “have a lot of overlap” with those the campuses already had to create for the NCAA, she said.

“You could simplify by using the ones we’re already producing,” Folt told the board’s education-policy committee. “You could save a huge amount of effort by doing that and find you’re not losing any information.”

But that drew a rebuttal from system board member Craig Sousa, an East Carolina graduate who said the reporting mandates established after the paper-classes scandal should stand, given “our duty to be vigilant.”

http://www.greensboro.com/news/scho...cle_131fb6f6-de87-5ddc-a3b7-65ffb54f4306.html
 
Dad2ze said:
If Crazie4life reads this he can verify. I blasted him with the articles that BlueDevilicious out on Twitter. His response was "Roy knows better than the Internet." SMH
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It's not "the internet." It's the NOA sent to unx by the NCAA. What Roy is doing is exactly what everyone at unx is doing...they're following the PR playbook. It's semantics...word games. Perfect example: Normal non-delusional people say "fake classes." unx'ers say , "Not fake classes. Easy. The classes required no attendance or daily/weekly assignments but a paper WAS required at semester's end." What they fail to mention is...

1) Classes with no attendance are generally referred to as "Independent Study." These classes are for students who EXCEL in their academics and often require MORE work than the typical classroom setting. Also , professors aren't crazy about offering them and there's a limit ( rightfully so! ) on how many they can offer during a given semester. Like I said , they can require more work for both student and teacher. unx used 'em for one reason. To keep idiot jocks as far AWAY from a class as possible....AND they gave 'em out like Halloween candy. They perverted the entire concept of Independent Study just to keep morons eligible. That's not the same as "easy."

2) That paper required? Often it was "re-cycled" , plagiarized , written poorly for an undeserved high grade , written by a tutor , drop-kicked , scattered , smothered and covered , whatever. Again , not nearly the same as "easy."

3) Classes with no syllabus? Classes with a profs name FORGED to 'em? Geez Louise , even a hole should be able to see these were nowhere NEAR "easy." They were frauds...fakes. But unx'ers play word games to make it appear less like the scam it was.

That said , what Roy's doing is this: He's saying that the charges are against ASPSA...academic support for athletics at unx. He's not wrong. For the sake of NCAA sanctions though , he's not 100% right either. Yes , academic support clearly was at fault. But who benefited? Who benefited disproportionately to the rest of the student body? Well , the NOA states it very clearly...football and men's and women's basketball. Roy and unx'ers just overlook/ignore all that. The ASPSA was a de facto part of the athletic department. They also overlook/ignore that the NCAA isn't alleging academic fraud. It's impermissible benefits...which it is... times TEN!
 
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unx'ers never change. Remember how they used to bust on Duke's lack of NBA players? Once Duke started adding some , it was "unx has more." Duke kept adding. Quality rose too. unx'ers: "Ours are still better." Duke's numbers AND quality surpassed unx's. "Ours have more titles." I know it's an idiotic thing to hang your hat on and it in no way proves unx's superiority in the NBA but they're grasping at straws here. I think even some of them know it because most of 'em say , "I don't watch the NBA anyway" when the subject arises. Anyway , that preamble is to give some context to the folllowing quote. The one positive about them being in the Final Four is the onslaught of negative coverage unx is gettin.' Instead of fielding softballs in Houston all week , Roy is answering uncomfortable questions and threatening reporters. Pretty cool. Anyway , check this hole. While acknowledging the inquisition , he takes great pains to clarify exactly WHO is conducting it...



IOW , he perceives the negativity to be coming from non-sports media ( or "hacks" as he calls 'em ) while sportswriters ( No idea how he made the distinction between the two. He's a hole. Whaddya want? lol ) aren't. And just for the record , he's wrong but I thought this was amusing. I can hear 'em now..."The true sports guys left us alone. Only the "hacks" bothered us." Never change , tarholes. Never change. lulz
 
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Rumors of the end of The Great Unpleasantness by the end of May. Let's review the process.

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Step 1: Reporting of Violations. Check

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Step 2: Investigation by NCAA. Check

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Step 3: Issuance of a Notice of Allegations, when warranted. Check

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Step 4: 90 days later, Univeristy responds to NOA. Nope. UNC self reports more violations, return back to Step 1.

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Step 5 (eventual): 60 days later, NCAA staff responds to UNC's response. Pending.

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Step 6: 30 - 60 days later, UNC has it's date with the NCAA Committee on Infractions hearing panel. Pending.

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Step 7: Immediately following, Committee on Infracations deliberates the case. Pending.

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Step 8: 30 - 60 days later, Committee on Infractions publishes their findings. Pending.

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Somehow in the next 60 days, we have to work through as much 270 days of process. Unless...

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UNC responded in Aug, has had their hearing, and is awaiting the CoI's findings.

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If the later is the case, how long has UNC been sitting on the NoA response they promised to release to the public?

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@uncodaro @JSGoldGloves @NinjaTarHeel Question, are the 400,000 pages of released public docs innuendo or might they be considered, facts.

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@JSGoldGloves Just think, only 4.5 million more records promised to be released. Dissection of scandal will last for years.

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@JSGoldGloves And the documents will live forever on the Internet as there is no telling how man copies have been archived for later use.

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@JSGoldGloves Can the NCAA afford to let UNC of their hook, as Ninja suggests, risking something else being discovered in the docs?

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There's more but ya get the idea. BTW , might wanna refer to CBR's eventual sanctions primer whether for your own use or to respond to any idiotic "Roy/basketball not named" nonsense. Good stuff...

http://cheatingblueram.blogspot.com/2015/11/uncs-eventual-sanctions-information.html
 
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It's not "the internet." It's the NOA sent to unx by the NCAA. What Roy is doing is exactly what everyone at unx is doing...they're following the PR playbook. It's semantics...word games. Perfect example: Normal non-delusional people say "fake classes." unx'ers say , "Not fake classes. Easy. The classes required no attendance or daily/weekly assignments but a paper WAS required at semester's end." What they fail to mention is...

1) Classes with no attendance are generally referred to as "Independent Study." These classes are for students who EXCEL in their academics and often require MORE work than the typical classroom setting. Also , professors aren't crazy about offering them and there's a limit ( rightfully so! ) on how many they can offer during a given semester. Like I said , they can require more work for both student and teacher. unx used 'em for one reason. To keep idiot jocks as far AWAY from a class as possible....AND they gave 'em out like Halloween candy. They perverted the entire concept of Independent Study just to keep morons eligible. That's not the same as "easy."

2) That paper required? Often it was "re-cycled" , plagiarized , written poorly for an undeserved high grade , written by a tutor , drop-kicked , scattered , smothered and covered , whatever. Again , not nearly the same as "easy."

3) Classes with no syllabus? Classes with a profs name FORGED to 'em? Geez Louise , even a hole should be able to see these were nowhere NEAR "easy." They were frauds...fakes. But unx'ers play word games to make it appear less like the scam it was.

That said , what Roy's doing is this: He's saying that the charges are against ASPSA...academic support for athletics at unx. He's not wrong. For the sake of NCAA sanctions though , he's not 100% right either. Yes , academic support clearly was at fault. But who benefited? Who benefited disproportionately to the rest of the student body? Well , the NOA states it very clearly...football and men's and women's basketball.
Roy and unx'ers just overlook/ignore all that. The ASPSA was a de facto part of the athletic department. They also overlook/ignore that the NCAA isn't alleging academic fraud. It's impermissible benefits...which it is... times TEN!
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Roy brought Wayne Walton with him from Kansas to act as his shill with the academic side of things .....that kept Roy at arms length with this mess. But he knew.
 
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Roy brought Wayne Walton with him from Kansas to act as his shill with the academic side of things .....that kept Roy at arms length with this mess. But he knew.
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The sad thing is so many media members in this state buy into this notion of "no allegations against MBB."
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Questions and answers on the UNC scandal

Q: Men’s basketball coach Roy Williams says there are no NCAA allegations involving men’s basketball. Is that true?

A: No. The NCAA’s case against UNC alleges men’s basketball players received impermissible benefits by receiving special access to the fake classes, largely through the efforts of academic counselors in the athlete support program. Men’s basketball is among the three programs that primarily benefited from the special access. The exhibits along with the notice cite examples of that access, including men’s basketball counselor Wayne Walden working with Crowder to put athletes in the classes. Williams brought Walden to UNC from Kansas. The notice does not accuse Williams or the coaches of wrongdoing, but the fake classes aided his players, particularly those on the 2005 championship team.

Q: Weren’t these legitimate, but easy classes?

A: No. Deborah Crowder, the former administrative manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department, was not a professor. She didn’t have a master’s degree, let alone a Ph.D. She created and graded the classes on her own, though at some point in the scheme department chairman Julius Nyang’oro became aware of them.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69263072.html
 
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I've done my best to get the message out there that things are not as they are portrayed in the media. The Carolina media, internally, we've done a really good job trying to get that message out there. Unfortunately, we've had some push back, um, some failure to cooperate from some outside media outlets, some national media outlets, which is unfortunate.

When I was here, I would say well over 95% of the guys I played with were academically eligible.

Contrary to popular belief, we had no choice but to go to class. We had these things called "class checkers" that were actually paid by the athletics department to make sure we were in class. They would show up with a roster, they did it for both football and basketball players, and if we weren't in class there were consequences the next day. Usually Coach Conners would have us on the field at 5 am and we would run until we got the message that we had to be in class.

http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1656649-ask-mike-my-academics-at-unc

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! All kinds of unintentional comedy there but I busted a gut at that last quote. At unx the punishment for not going to class is...not going to class!!!! Those poor football players. Relegated to spending MORE time on their sport. That'll teach 'em. What a sheet hole. lollers
 
Welcome to the NCAA Final Four, where 'cheating' isn't cheating and everything's swell

Also not considered cheating, at least not yet, is having your program involved in a two-decade system of academic fraud using no-show or no-work classes through the African and Afro-American Studies Department. Carolina's case has been rolling around for years, but the NCAA, which at first deemed the case out of its purview but has since reversed course, still hasn't gotten around to making any real charges.

It's infuriated fans around the country who figure actually educating the players should carry a little more urgency than, say, whether an agent bought a future pro an impermissible slice of pizza.

Every Final Four has a brush with uncomfortable reality. It's tougher to hide this year. CBS has made Carolina vs. Syracuse the prime game Saturday Night. (Referees: Bond, Schoeneck and King.)

This is still a topic because when Williams won his first NCAA title in 2005, it was one tear-filled feel-good moment. Man, CBS could hardly contain itself over that one. Ol' Roy finally won the big one, dadgumit. Of course, that UNC team featured seven players who earned degrees from the African and Afro-American Studies Department and thee others who didn't graduate at all.

At the time, the NCAA referred to all of them as "student-athletes."

One of the guys who didn't graduate was junior star Rashad McCants, who in the fall semester of that championship season failed two classes: algebra and psychology. (Don't ask why a college junior was taking algebra, let's just assume it was very challenging version of algebra.) With his eligibility on the line, McCants enrolled in four of the now discredited classes in the spring and, while winning the championship and declaring for the NBA, managed straight A's in every one of them – a 4.0 GPA to go with his 16.0 ppg. McCants says the classwork was all a joke. In an interview with ESPN he described his academic career as "almost a tragedy."

On Monday, the NCAA still referred to all the players as "student-athletes."

"All that other stuff that sometimes I call 'junk' has been talked about too much."

Even if some are arguing that Syracuse and Carolina show that cheating – er, "junk," er, "rules being broken" – pays.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/welcom...heating-and-everything-s-swell-005415078.html
 
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/lo...ndal/article69262627.html#storylink=mainstage

This article almost deserves its own thread. UNC caught lying to the NCAA yet again. Just insane. I wonder how the pigs are going to spin this?

UNC-Chapel Hill, which is under investigation for fraudulent classes involving athletes, has maintained that students were not subjected to a limit on independent studies until the 2006-07 academic year.

That stance appears to have narrowed one key part of the NCAA’s investigation.

But a new document released by the university in March shows that the limit on independent studies started before 2003. Other evidence suggests that the limit was in place since the early 1990s.

In response to a long-standing public records request from The News & Observer, UNC provided a 2003 faculty report that proposed numerous curriculum changes.

Deep within the report, the authors cited a 12-hour independent studies limit. Noting that curriculum changes can’t happen if they run counter to General College and Arts and Sciences guidelines, the report said: “That might mean, for example, considering whether to reaffirm the current rule that an Arts and Sciences student can count toward graduation only twelve hours of independent study.”

The start date of that 12-credit-hour limit is critical because the NCAA considers that athletes who exceeded it received an impermissible benefit.

Going back further than 2006 would add well more than 100 athletes to the list of 10 that the NCAA said exceeded the independent study limit through classes that had no professor, never met and yielded a high grade for an end-of-class paper.

For example, records show many athletes on the 2005 men’s basketball championship team took multiple fake classes, which were directed and graded by a clerical employee in the African studies department – including a star player who took 12 hours’ worth in the spring semester when the team won the title.

The independent studies limit represents one prong of the investigation that deals with fake classes. Another involves athletes steered to the fake classes from 2002 through 2011, which the NCAA considers an impermissible benefit.

UNC officials offered no explanation for the statement about independent studies within the 2003 report, which involved the work of dozens of faculty and was approved by the Faculty Council that year. Chancellor Carol Folt and Provost James W. Dean Jr. forwarded interview requests to a spokesperson, who offered no further information.

The document surfaced as the men’s basketball team seeks another national championship. Coach Roy Williams’ Tar Heels are the favorites in the NCAA’s Final Four, which starts Saturday.

[UNC academic scandal explained]

‘Special studies’
The curriculum report buttresses other documents that show UNC had a long-standing policy of limiting independent studies to the equivalent of four courses. Many faculty have also confirmed the limit.

In October 2014, the N&O reported that UNC’s undergraduate bulletins cited a 12-hour limit for “special studies” going at least as far back as the early 1990s. It typically takes 120 hours of academic credit or more to complete a bachelor’s degree. Faculty viewed those special studies as independent studies.

Those undergraduate bulletins, however, also had an outdated description of correspondence classes offered to nontraditional students, calling them “independent studies.” Aninvestigative report by Kenneth Wainstein in 2014 into the fake classes found the language confusing enough to raise the possibility that there was no clear standard.

But Wainstein noted that every witness asked about the 12-hour limit said it had been in place before 2006. Among them: Deborah Crowder, the department secretary for the African studies department.

She hatched the classes in 1993, Wainstein reported, after receiving complaints from academic counselors for athletes about the rigor of the department’s independent studies. Six years later, she began disguising them as lecture classes to keep students who had taken several of them from running afoul of the limit.

“Crowder – and nearly all the faculty we interviewed – believed that students were limited to 12 hours of independent study credit toward the 120 hours required for a Chapel Hill degree,” Wainstein’s report said. “Rebranding these independent study paper classes as lecture classes avoided the danger that the administration might someday question the record of a student who took a number of these courses.”

A semantic difference?
The investigation by Wainstein, a former top lawyer in the U.S. Department of Justice, found several employees in the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes complicit in the scandal. His probe triggered the return of the NCAA and the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools Commission on Colleges.

UNC told both regulatory bodies in 2015 that the independent study limit did not begin until the 2006-07 academic year. It cited a change in the undergraduate bulletin’s description of special studies to include independent studies.

“Until Fall 2006 there was no defined limit on the number of independent study courses that could be applied toward an undergraduate degree,” UNC officials said in correspondence to the accrediting commission last year.

Jay Smith, a UNC history professor and leading critic of the university’s handling of the scandal, said he largely assembled the 2006-07 undergraduate bulletin in his role as associate dean for undergraduate curricula.

“There was no change in policy,” Smith said. “It was just a shift in language used to describe the policy.”

In June 2015, The N&O requested any documentation about changes to the 12-hour special studies limit in 2006.

Repeatedly, the university said it had none. Then in March, a university spokesman sent a digital link to the 2003 report and pointed to a page noting the 12-hour credit limit.

UNC also told the accreditation commission that a graduation coordinator from 1988 to 2008 “did not limit the number of independent study courses that could be applied toward graduation of any students.”

The university did not identify that person, but other records show it was Betsy Taylor, who retired in 2008. Taylor told Wainstein she was aware Crowder was offering classes that didn’t meet but assumed they were supervised by a professor. It was unclear whether Taylor was asked about the 12-hour limit. She could not be reached by The N&O.

Richard Cramer is a former associate dean for the Arts and Sciences college and a sociology professor who retired in 2014. He told The N&O that year that as far back as 2002, he checked seniors’ transcripts to make sure they did not exceed four independent study courses so they would be on track to graduate. He said he would have been unaware of those disguised as lecture classes.

Waiting on the NCAA
The question of the independent study limit could come into play as the NCAA considers how and whether to punish UNC for what the NCAA says are five serious violations.

The NCAA’s notice of allegations, issued last May, appears to accept UNC’s contention that the limit started in the fall of 2006. The notice said from the fall of 2006 to the end of the 2010-11 academic year, 10 athletes exceeded the limit, which was an impermissible academic benefit under NCAA rules.

But if the limit has been in existence much longer, it could capture 140 more athletes who had exceeded it, according to a spreadsheet in the NCAA’s exhibits. The spreadsheet identifies students who had enrolled in more than 12 hours of independent study and “anomalous courses” from mid-2000 to mid-2011.

That presumably would include Rashad McCants, whose transcript shows he took nothing but fake classes in the semester during the championship run. He had taken seven others prior to that semester, making a total of 11, or 33 hours.

During the 2004-05 national title season, records show the team accounted for 35 enrollments in fake classes.

An NCAA spokeswoman said the association couldn’t comment during an investigation. The accreditation commission also declined to comment.

The NCAA case was delayed when UNC said in August it had found additional potential violations involving the women’s basketball program. It now appears the NCAA won’t hear the case until well after the men’s basketball tournament.

Jay Smith was among those interviewed in the NCAA investigation. The notice cites his position on the 12-hour independent study limit. Smith told The N&O that he confirmed to the NCAA that the limit had been in place long before the start of the 2006-07 academic year.

The accreditation commission placed UNC on probation last year, a rare step for a major research university. The commission will decide in June whether to extend that probation for a second year.
 
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Move along little troll.;)

PS: Tell UNC to get some integrity.
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Ever notice how those who DARE to critique unx are the ones who "need to get a life?" The glorious "flagship" is caught with both hands in the cookie jar after YEARS of lyin' about the bs "carolina way" and the Tarhole Nation is pizzed at who? Dean? Roy? The players? The complicit educators and administrators who perpetuated the most egregious scam in NCAA history? Their own fans who defend this crap? No. The holes get their panties in a bunch over those who talk about it and seek accountability. And before any unx'ers post lemme say that firing underlings , spending millions in PR & scapegoating damn-near everyone EXCEPT those most responsible doesn't qualify as "accountability."
 
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Ever notice how those who DARE to critique unx are the ones who "need to get a life?" The glorious "flagship" is caught with both hands in the cookie jar after YEARS of lyin' about the bs "carolina way" and the Tarhole Nation is pizzed at who? Dean? Roy? The players? The complicit educators and administrators who perpetuated the most egregious scam in NCAA history? Their own fans who defend this crap? No. The holes get their panties in a bunch over those who talk about it and seek accountability. And before any unx'ers post lemme say that firing underlings , spending millions in PR & scapegoating damn-near everyone EXCEPT those most responsible doesn't qualify as "accountability."
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