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Posted: Today 8:16 AM Re: UNCheat Scandal-Fake LD Diagnoses & Drugs vs. Fake
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As far as I have been told there is no amended NOA. The only reason to amend a NOA is when an issue is reported that would result in an additional L1 or L2 infraction. What UNC-CH has reported would not rise to that level. The only thing new they presented was not even an admission of a violation but the possibility of a very minor violation involving training.
The NCAA can use the additional reporting as aggravating factors with existing NOA if they would choose to do so. If UNC-CH wants an amended NOA they will have to report something that is very serious. If they reported the LD/ADHD scam that would result in an amended NOA as that would be additional L1 charges.
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I might be wrong, but I believe by not responding to the NOA they automatically enter the summary disposition phase. As I understand it, essentially they aren't contesting the charges and are negotiating punishment.
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As far as I can tell this is accurate. I do know that UNC-CH is in some level of negotiation and the NCAA wants to insure that whatever it does will withstand any future challenge from UNC-CH and be helpful in the NCAA litigation in McCants and Jenkins.
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I guess I don't understand. The NCAA is like a parent. They can do whatever, whenever, to their children, and they can also play favorites. And they don't need subpoena power. Whoever started the "well they don't have subpoena power so it's tough" is ignorant of how and why the NCAA operates.
UNC has no recourse, nor does any other school. Now UNC could have something on Emmert and that is why he is going to bat for them and it may very well work out for UNC, but the entity itself (NCAAA) is fine in terms of retribution from UNC. UNC is not suing the NCAA and having witnesses deposed. Not happening, that would be catastrophically bad for UNC. They settled with Willingham, they don't want any more of that. So what other recourse does UNC have against sanctions they don't like? Releasing some damaging info on Emmert? Well good lord, everyone already knows he's crooked.
I feel like UNC has Emmert wrapped around their pinky but that's about it. Emmert may have some faithful minions that worship him but I fell like the hour glass is running out. This notion of the NCAA crossing their "t's" and dotting their "i's" is overkill and they can do it if they wish, but totally unnecessary. Doesn't matter how many lawyers UNC has or how many diatribes Jay Bilas goes on toward them.
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If the NCAA does not follow the process to the letter then UNC-CH would have grounds to sue the NCAA. The NCAA is a private association but that does not give them carte-blanche to do whatever they want. The Penn State case is a perfect example. The Penn State sanctions were greatly reduced (even though Penn State agreed at the time) because the process was not followed.
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As far as I have been told there is no amended NOA. The only reason to amend a NOA is when an issue is reported that would result in an additional L1 or L2 infraction. What UNC-CH has reported would not rise to that level. The only thing new they presented was not even an admission of a violation but the possibility of a very minor violation involving training.
The NCAA can use the additional reporting as aggravating factors with existing NOA if they would choose to do so. If UNC-CH wants an amended NOA they will have to report something that is very serious. If they reported the LD/ADHD scam that would result in an amended NOA as that would be additional L1 charges.
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I might be wrong, but I believe by not responding to the NOA they automatically enter the summary disposition phase. As I understand it, essentially they aren't contesting the charges and are negotiating punishment.
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As far as I can tell this is accurate. I do know that UNC-CH is in some level of negotiation and the NCAA wants to insure that whatever it does will withstand any future challenge from UNC-CH and be helpful in the NCAA litigation in McCants and Jenkins.
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I guess I don't understand. The NCAA is like a parent. They can do whatever, whenever, to their children, and they can also play favorites. And they don't need subpoena power. Whoever started the "well they don't have subpoena power so it's tough" is ignorant of how and why the NCAA operates.
UNC has no recourse, nor does any other school. Now UNC could have something on Emmert and that is why he is going to bat for them and it may very well work out for UNC, but the entity itself (NCAAA) is fine in terms of retribution from UNC. UNC is not suing the NCAA and having witnesses deposed. Not happening, that would be catastrophically bad for UNC. They settled with Willingham, they don't want any more of that. So what other recourse does UNC have against sanctions they don't like? Releasing some damaging info on Emmert? Well good lord, everyone already knows he's crooked.
I feel like UNC has Emmert wrapped around their pinky but that's about it. Emmert may have some faithful minions that worship him but I fell like the hour glass is running out. This notion of the NCAA crossing their "t's" and dotting their "i's" is overkill and they can do it if they wish, but totally unnecessary. Doesn't matter how many lawyers UNC has or how many diatribes Jay Bilas goes on toward them.
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If the NCAA does not follow the process to the letter then UNC-CH would have grounds to sue the NCAA. The NCAA is a private association but that does not give them carte-blanche to do whatever they want. The Penn State case is a perfect example. The Penn State sanctions were greatly reduced (even though Penn State agreed at the time) because the process was not followed.
From last month. Lengthy but rewarding....
Cheated: The Massive UNC Athletic Scandal Exposed
http://www.dcdave.com/article5/160107.htm
Cheated: The Massive UNC Athletic Scandal Exposed
http://www.dcdave.com/article5/160107.htm
Any reason that cesspool hasn't been totally shut down yet? Check this out. It's from a presentation made by B-Rad himself. Among others to keep athletes eligible , he cites the pressure to tag athletes with the AD/LDHD evaluations as a main one. That's reprehensible in and of itself but keep another factor in mind. Those evals come with prescriptions. unx drugs up jocks with adderall ( a PED in this case ) whether they need it or not. Geez Louise , it's like the freakin' Tuskeegee Experiment. Fer cryin' out loud , chain the doors , board the windows , nuke it from space then salt the earth. It's the only way to be sure...
Bubba and Roy whining. unx coulda ended this years ago and could still expedite things themselves. Won't do it. That would mean self-sanctioning sports OTHER than men's soccer and women's basketball. Plus , they'd actually have to concede to the pervasiveness of their corruption. God forbid. BTW , pretty sure Beard is a hole...
North Carolina's NCAA academic case stuck in holding pattern
North Carolina's long-running academic fraud scandal case seems stuck in procedural limbo.
The NCAA charged the school in May with five violations, including lack of institutional control, but there has been little movement since. The NCAA is reviewing information reported by the university in August and could amend the Notice of Allegations (NOA) used to specify violations. Until then, the case — an offshoot of a review launched nearly six years ago — can't advance toward resolution.
"It's very taxing on a lot of people for a variety of reasons," athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's been used against us in recruiting. It has been damaging to the reputation of the university.
"But the Syracuse case was eight years. And we're talking about a case that was closed in 2012, then reopened in 2014, and we're talking about issues that occurred from the 1990s through 2011. It's a unique case."
It's not unusual for the process to linger for years, and some schools don't want to wait before facing anticipated penalties.
Syracuse's case began in 2007 and crawled forward until the school imposed a postseason ban for men's basketball last February. The NCAA added more penalties a month later — including a suspension for Hall of Fame coach Jim Boeheim — for academic, drug and gift violations in multiple sports.
At Mississippi, officials last month confirmed an NOA against the school. That case began in 2012 and led to a self-imposed postseason ban for women's basketball that year. It now includes football and track and field.
And last week, Louisville imposed a postseason ban for Hall of Famer Rick Pitino's men's basketball program amid an investigation into allegations an ex-staffer hired an escort and other dancers to strip and have sex with players and recruits from 2010-14. The school notified the NCAA in August and hasn't received an NOA.
While a self-imposed penalty might mitigate later punishment, cases continue until the NCAA considers them closed.
"People make too much of this idea that somehow there's this strategy that you go ahead and (self-impose penalties) and then the NCAA will leave you alone," said Gene A. Marsh, a Birmingham, Alabama-based attorney who spent nine years on the NCAA's infractions committee and was a former chairman. "That's just not the way it works. ... That's nonsense."
North Carolina's academic case grew from a 2010 football investigation, with NCAA sanctions announced in March 2012 roughly nine months after an NOA arrived. A similar timeline for this case ends this month, and school officials have hoped for resolution by spring.
That looks less likely each day.
"We're waiting on the amended NOA and we have continued to cooperate and we have provided them all the information they have requested and we've had available," Cunningham said. "And we'll continue to do so through the full investigative process."
NCAA spokeswoman Emily James said the governing body won't comment on ongoing cases.
UNC's case centers on independent study-style courses in the formerly named African and Afro-American Studies department. Run largely by an office administrator, they featured GPA-boosting grades and significant athlete enrollments across numerous sports, while poor oversight throughout the university allowed them to run unchecked for years.
A 2014 probe by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein estimated more than 3,100 students were affected between 1993 and 2011, with athletes making up roughly half the enrollments in problem courses.
The NCAA's notice treated issues surrounding the courses as improper benefits, limiting the focus to between 2002 and 2011. It charged that a women's basketball adviser provided improper help on assignments. No coaches were cited, but the institutional-control charge mentioned counselors using the courses to help keep at-risk athletes eligible "particularly" in football, men's basketball and women's basketball.
Schools must respond to NOAs within 90 days, which is often when they self-impose penalties. UNC was near its deadline before reporting additional improper assistance from the women's basketball adviser and possible recruiting violations in men's soccer.
That clock restarts once the NCAA amends or revises the notice. The enforcement staff would have 60 days to respond to UNC's filing, leading to an infractions-committee hearing and a ruling weeks to months afterward.
"I wish there was some way that there could be a speedier (conclusion) but our people are trying to do the best they can do," Hall of Fame men's basketball coach Roy Williams said last week. "The NCAA's probably doing things the way they do them. And it's been very frustrating for me."
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/north-carolinas-ncaa-academic-case-stuck-holding-pattern
North Carolina's NCAA academic case stuck in holding pattern
North Carolina's long-running academic fraud scandal case seems stuck in procedural limbo.
The NCAA charged the school in May with five violations, including lack of institutional control, but there has been little movement since. The NCAA is reviewing information reported by the university in August and could amend the Notice of Allegations (NOA) used to specify violations. Until then, the case — an offshoot of a review launched nearly six years ago — can't advance toward resolution.
"It's very taxing on a lot of people for a variety of reasons," athletic director Bubba Cunningham said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's been used against us in recruiting. It has been damaging to the reputation of the university.
"But the Syracuse case was eight years. And we're talking about a case that was closed in 2012, then reopened in 2014, and we're talking about issues that occurred from the 1990s through 2011. It's a unique case."
It's not unusual for the process to linger for years, and some schools don't want to wait before facing anticipated penalties.
Syracuse's case began in 2007 and crawled forward until the school imposed a postseason ban for men's basketball last February. The NCAA added more penalties a month later — including a suspension for Hall of Fame coach Jim Boeheim — for academic, drug and gift violations in multiple sports.
At Mississippi, officials last month confirmed an NOA against the school. That case began in 2012 and led to a self-imposed postseason ban for women's basketball that year. It now includes football and track and field.
And last week, Louisville imposed a postseason ban for Hall of Famer Rick Pitino's men's basketball program amid an investigation into allegations an ex-staffer hired an escort and other dancers to strip and have sex with players and recruits from 2010-14. The school notified the NCAA in August and hasn't received an NOA.
While a self-imposed penalty might mitigate later punishment, cases continue until the NCAA considers them closed.
"People make too much of this idea that somehow there's this strategy that you go ahead and (self-impose penalties) and then the NCAA will leave you alone," said Gene A. Marsh, a Birmingham, Alabama-based attorney who spent nine years on the NCAA's infractions committee and was a former chairman. "That's just not the way it works. ... That's nonsense."
North Carolina's academic case grew from a 2010 football investigation, with NCAA sanctions announced in March 2012 roughly nine months after an NOA arrived. A similar timeline for this case ends this month, and school officials have hoped for resolution by spring.
That looks less likely each day.
"We're waiting on the amended NOA and we have continued to cooperate and we have provided them all the information they have requested and we've had available," Cunningham said. "And we'll continue to do so through the full investigative process."
NCAA spokeswoman Emily James said the governing body won't comment on ongoing cases.
UNC's case centers on independent study-style courses in the formerly named African and Afro-American Studies department. Run largely by an office administrator, they featured GPA-boosting grades and significant athlete enrollments across numerous sports, while poor oversight throughout the university allowed them to run unchecked for years.
A 2014 probe by former U.S. Justice Department official Kenneth Wainstein estimated more than 3,100 students were affected between 1993 and 2011, with athletes making up roughly half the enrollments in problem courses.
The NCAA's notice treated issues surrounding the courses as improper benefits, limiting the focus to between 2002 and 2011. It charged that a women's basketball adviser provided improper help on assignments. No coaches were cited, but the institutional-control charge mentioned counselors using the courses to help keep at-risk athletes eligible "particularly" in football, men's basketball and women's basketball.
Schools must respond to NOAs within 90 days, which is often when they self-impose penalties. UNC was near its deadline before reporting additional improper assistance from the women's basketball adviser and possible recruiting violations in men's soccer.
That clock restarts once the NCAA amends or revises the notice. The enforcement staff would have 60 days to respond to UNC's filing, leading to an infractions-committee hearing and a ruling weeks to months afterward.
"I wish there was some way that there could be a speedier (conclusion) but our people are trying to do the best they can do," Hall of Fame men's basketball coach Roy Williams said last week. "The NCAA's probably doing things the way they do them. And it's been very frustrating for me."
http://collegebasketball.ap.org/article/north-carolinas-ncaa-academic-case-stuck-holding-pattern
Guessin' this is meant to be sarcastic. Lol...
Letter: Jan Boxill should be Chief Integrity Officer
TO THE EDITOR:
The Daily Tar Heel reported Tuesday that UNC administrators recommended the creation of a new administrative role: Chief Integrity and Policy Officer. Obviously, the post must be filled by a candidate of prodigious integrity.
I respectfully submit former professor Jan Boxill for consideration. Her experience as director of the Parr Center for Ethics has trained her for the job. Moreover, her long experience at UNC will imbue this new position with the dignity it deserves.
Sam Shaw
Senior
History
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016/02/letter-jan-boxill-should-be-chief-integrity-officer
Letter: Jan Boxill should be Chief Integrity Officer
TO THE EDITOR:
The Daily Tar Heel reported Tuesday that UNC administrators recommended the creation of a new administrative role: Chief Integrity and Policy Officer. Obviously, the post must be filled by a candidate of prodigious integrity.
I respectfully submit former professor Jan Boxill for consideration. Her experience as director of the Parr Center for Ethics has trained her for the job. Moreover, her long experience at UNC will imbue this new position with the dignity it deserves.
Sam Shaw
Senior
History
http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2016/02/letter-jan-boxill-should-be-chief-integrity-officer
Interesting comment from this story...
“I don’t know that the doctors really care that much about me,” Williams said. “I just think they don’t want me to die on their watch.”
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1641439-roy-williams-i-m-not-dead-yet
“I don’t know that the doctors really care that much about me,” Williams said. “I just think they don’t want me to die on their watch.”
http://www.scout.com/college/north-carolina/story/1641439-roy-williams-i-m-not-dead-yet
This d-bag was behind the firing of Tom Ross. Political reasons were involved but talk was he and his other "carolina way" co-horts dumped Ross ( in part ) because Tom spearheaded the Wainstein investigation and , well , we all saw how that turned out for unx....
Former UNC Board of Governors chairman arrested after gun found at airport
John Fennebresque was arrested Thursday at Charlotte Douglas International
He was charged with misdemeanor possession of a firearm on city property
The Charlotte lawyer said he didn’t know the handgun was in his briefcase
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article59789671.html
Former UNC Board of Governors chairman arrested after gun found at airport
John Fennebresque was arrested Thursday at Charlotte Douglas International
He was charged with misdemeanor possession of a firearm on city property
The Charlotte lawyer said he didn’t know the handgun was in his briefcase
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article59789671.html
Here's a new article on the scandal from the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/s...t-struggles-with-a-scandals-fallout.html?_r=1
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/13/s...t-struggles-with-a-scandals-fallout.html?_r=1
Even got the LD/ADHD stuff in there too. Some may complain the article is a bit of a re-hash but as such things go , this article was brutal. Basically daring the NCAA not to hammer unx. When it appears in the NYT , people are paying attention and it's articles like this that just may be what's needed to spur the NCAA to do the right thing. They woulda never RETURNED to unx had it not been for public opinion. They had to be shamed into it. Well , here we go. lol. BTW , word is that B-Rad is losin' it! Seriously. Gonna try and go public to refute the AD/LDHD stuff. Keep in mind a presentation HE gave at unx highlighted the pressure to give such evals to athletes. Posted earlier but here it is again...
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