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And it's not just Duke fans here, but on other social media platforms. Why not just support the kid? I'm sure he and Duval thought this through with all available information made to them. Based on what's coming in next season, their opportunities would be limited and could go from second round to undrafted. This may be their best time to leave when you factor in everything. Look at what happened to Melo Tremble. Who? Yeah, he should've left after one year. These players are almost put into "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations. How bout to just saying "Good luck. You're a Dukie for life" blah blah and look forward to the next class. The OAD rule has everyone trying to CYOA (cover your own ass). We don't get mad when coaches do that; why are we mad when players do it? And some fans think mock drafts are set in stone or will not fluctuate between now and Draft Night.
Just like when coaches move on we wish them the best; we need to do the same for the players.
Ok rant over!
Me too. I read an article on DBR I believe it was talking about how valuable he would be to the team and that he is basically a must get at this point. I’m hoping Duke can get him more so than anyone else. I think Cremo should be Duke’s main focus right now!If we get Cremo I have few worries about next year, other than youth.
The irony is we open next season as Title FavoritesIsn’t it fun to replace all five starters? I love the OAD era. So good for college basketball.
That's worked out well for us these past two seasons, amirite?The irony is we open next season as Title Favorites
Rude? No it's true. The kid is making a fine financial decision for the short-term but not a smart one for the future. I hope he has a long career but just like socal said he's not ready
He gone.
We did the past two years and that didn’t turn out too well.The irony is we open next season as Title Favorites
No one here has an obligation to be happy for a one-year rental, especially one who missed open shot after open shot in the S16 and E8 games.It was definitely rude, but it’s not like Gary is going to read it anyway.
And I think Gary would be the first to tell you he’s not ready. Trust me, most of the top picks aren’t even ready for what’s ahead.
Gary is going to make millions and millions of dollars the next 15 years. Whether that is in the NBA, G-League or Bosnia, it doesn’t matter. You’re mad for selfish reasons. That’s it. You could not care less about Gary and his goals. And that’s ok....it really is, but being mad and dismissive about it looks worse on you than it does him.
No one here has an obligation to be happy for a one-year rental, especially one who missed open shot after open shot in the S16 and E8 games.
I think the team would have been off if he had never come to Duke and a couple of the guys who never got off the bench (or in Tucker's case, transferred) got valuable minutes so that they could add a lot to this coming year's team.
There seems to be a serious lack of awareness on this board and with the coaching staff about opportunity costs. Not all of us have 1-year time horizons.
You really shouldn't hold back. If you have an opinion, spit it out please.No one here has an obligation to be happy for a one-year rental, especially one who missed open shot after open shot in the S16 and E8 games.
I think the team would have been better off if Trent had never come to Duke and a couple of the guys who never got off the bench (or in Tucker's case, transferred) got valuable minutes so that they could add a lot to this coming year's team.
There seems to be a serious lack of awareness on this board and with the coaching staff about opportunity costs. Not all of us have 1-year time horizons.
It was definitely rude, but it’s not like Gary is going to read it anyway.
And I think Gary would be the first to tell you he’s not ready. Trust me, most of the top picks aren’t even ready for what’s ahead.
Gary is going to make millions and millions of dollars the next 15 years. Whether that is in the NBA, G-League or Bosnia, it doesn’t matter. You’re mad for selfish reasons. That’s it. You could not care less about Gary and his goals. And that’s ok....it really is, but being mad and dismissive about it looks worse on you than it does him.
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There have been significantly worse declarations: IMO Giles.
Agree it's the NBA - they've made being even a 2nd round pick a very attractive option that few of us would turn down, including myself.No.. I'm not mad at him I'm mad at the system. It's ridiculous and needs to change. They don't need to ever even come here, it's not fair to Duke or to them.
Ha, I don't have "connections." But here in Austin I do meet up with Duke / Fuqua alums all the time. Sample size of 10, most folks don't like the direction of the program.Never said there was any kind of obligation for fans. I just don’t think being a dick is appropriate, either.
Duke definitely wouldn’t have been better without him. You can tell yourself that, though. And Tucker didn’t leave because of playing time. As a grad of Duke, check with one your connections on that.
Lastly, I just don’t think everyone constantly whines and moans. Because we don’t, doesn’t mean we’re always happy with decisions.
I am not an expert but over the past decade or so the developmental league in the NBA seems superior and overseas leagues are no longer a career ender for players aspiring to play/return to the NBAI don't keep up with the NBA but must be a lot of turnover for these players to have a spot.
That's worked out well for us these past two seasons, amirite?
In the case of Trent, I think people should only be truly disappointed if they preferred O'Connell to start in his place this past season and/or there was another recruit [Tucker?] that would have came and still remained for next seasonWe did the past two years and that didn’t turn out too well.
For Bags, Duval, and Trent to get their attention. He'll announce early week from what I understand.Anyone know what Carter is waiting on?
Agree it's the NBA - they've made being even a 2nd round pick a very attractive option that few of us would turn down, including myself.
But I think the staff should do a better job of screening players. Someone one dimensional like Trent, who performs on the court like a mid-to-late 2nd-round pick, the value really comes in their 2nd and 3rd years. If we know we're not going to get that because the player makes it clear they're bolting regardless, perhaps we go after guys who aren't going to be as good in year 1 but who we know will add much more value as they mature. And who, you know, actually want to be student athletes at Duke.
I very much believe the culture of the program has changed these last few years, to the point where even most Duke fans - who a couple of years ago would laugh at UK guys leaving w/o a 1st-round guarantee - are now justifying recruiting guys like Duval and Trent who are going pro no matter what. And justifying going on the grad rental market. Etc. Very mercenary.
Really unnecessary. Same with hour asshole comment about Bagley.Enjoy the G-League pal
As much respect as I have for K. He is not developing these players in one year. Nobody is. He is simply landing recruits that come into college already projected to be in the NBA.It’s pretty obvious why Coach K is doing this. For years Duke was known as a good college program but they didn’t develop you for the pros. So now Coach has focused on making Duke a pro factory. He has accomplished everything possible in college basketball. Now he’s trying to add to his legacy as a coach that produces a lot of pro players that excel on the pro level.
I don’t get the “he is a Duke guy” when obviously they use us to play into the nba? That’s not a “Duke” guy to me. JMHO
As much respect as I have for K. He is not developing these players in one year. Nobody is. He is simply landing recruits that come into college already projected to be in the NBA.
One year in college is not going to make a big difference in how a player excels in the pros.
To your first point, isn't that theory one that we have debunked and argued against for so many years? Now we are conceding that Duke didn't produce pros before in order to give K credit that he doesn't even need.
Really unnecessary. Same with hour asshole comment about Bagley.
He’s more of a ‘Duke’ guy than 99% of this board will ever be.
But if you look at the 19 class, we have Joey Baker, and Girard more than likely coming in who are multi year players. I think Isaiah Stewart will be a multi year player as well as Wendell Moore(If he comes to Duke). The only sure fire OAD that Duke is looking at is Carey, Hurt, Antoine, and Anthony. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that Duke seems like Duke might be switching things up and are trying to get more players that will stick around instead of going head strong into the OAD market like these past years.
I'm sure he can produce a first round draft pick in 6 months.It’s pretty obvious why Coach K is doing this. For years Duke was known as a good college program but they didn’t develop you for the pros. So now Coach has focused on making Duke a pro factory. He has accomplished everything possible in college basketball. Now he’s trying to add to his legacy as a coach that produces a lot of pro players that excel on the pro level.