From what I gather there was tension all year he didnt play enough from Jackson's dad. I dont think he ever had any intention of returning.
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Lastly, I hate reading into things....but did anyone else think the handshake and mock hug with Jon last night after he was drafted was a little chilly? He also didn't speak to anything about Duke, while all of the other guys had pretty glowing things to say. Again, I'm maybe reading into that a bit....but it was just something I noticed.
I would be pissed if I was Frank. Playing behind Matt Jones last year who was an offensive liability and couldn't rebound from the wing. Frank was good later in the season while Matt Jones was dreadful most of the year.
With Duval, Trent Jr and Grayson coming back Frank probably thought he had to move on especially after the combine.
Frank would have been one of our more athletic players next year. He would have gone in the first round in a weaker draft without a plethora of great guards.
He will still get a guaranteed contract next year like most players picked 31 - 39. He has the talent and the strength and size to make an NBA roster.
Except that Matt Jones was not "dreadful" most of the year. I do think Frank should've been given a bigger role, but he made some mental mistakes, even at the end of the year. His passing kinda sucked. His defense was underrated though. I certainly don't think he earned the right to be so salty toward the program. He comes off as entitled. Positive attitudes are important in team sports. It's one thing to be frustrated with your PT, but are we supposed to believe K is doing it to be mean to the young man? K had his reasons. It's hard to sit here and say K doesn't give guys a fair shot.Spot on observations...OFC
Except that Matt Jones was not "dreadful" most of the year. I do think Frank should've been given a bigger role, but he made some mental mistakes, even at the end of the year. His passing kinda sucked. His defense was underrated though. I certainly don't think he earned the right to be so salty toward the program. He comes off as entitled. Positive attitudes are important in team sports. It's one thing to be frustrated with your PT, but are we supposed to believe K is doing it to be mean to the young man? K had his reasons. It's hard to sit here and say K doesn't give guys a fair shot.
lol I have no problem admitting I was wrong like a few of y'all. Hurt and missed the 1st by 1 pick hmmSo, you ready to rub it in my face?
I can buy this.We all have our views, and I simply feel we would have been even more efficient scoring the ball w/Jackson at the 1. Matt IMO was an ideal sub off the bench for Grayson/Frank/Luke, and as another poster said was ideally suited for a "Nate Britt" type role. His intangibles are immeasurable, but for pure talent and putting the best 5 on the court- it should have been Frank IMO. I think he has a lot of basketball ahead of him, and I think Matt may be a very good coach...OFC
I have nothing to admit I was wrong about. I said from day one, there was a 0% chance Frank would be a 1st round pick.lol I have no problem admitting I was wrong like a few of y'all. Hurt and missed the 1st by 1 pick hmm
I can buy this.
He's no PJ Herringbone, that's for sure.Thanks Denver and I realize its a very sensitive issue. Everybody likes Matt Jones- what a role model for our youth! OFC
He missed it by one pick.I have nothing to admit I was wrong about. I said from day one, there was a 0% chance Frank would be a 1st round pick.
If he would have made it by one pick, Psychosis would have made 14 threads about it, with the first 8 comments in each thread being him talking to himself.He missed it by one pick.
And u were wrong and still are lmaoI have nothing to admit I was wrong about. I said from day one, there was a 0% chance Frank would be a 1st round pick.
I defiantly would have said nothingIf he would have made it by one pick, Psychosis would have made 14 threads about it, with the first 8 comments in each thread being him talking to himself.
Frank had as good of a combine as he possibly could have had and he was still the 31st pick (11th guard).
Kinda like ur doing over missing it by 1 pick lmaoIf he would have made it by one pick, Psychosis would have made 14 threads about it, with the first 8 comments in each thread being him talking to himself.
Frank had as good of a combine as he possibly could have had and he was still the 31st pick (11th guard).
And 47 lmao'sIf he would have made it by one pick, Psychosis would have made 14 threads about it, with the first 8 comments in each thread being him talking to himself.
Frank had as good of a combine as he possibly could have had and he was still the 31st pick (11th guard).
Since that would have been a first, I'm going to call BS.I defiantly would have said nothing
Lastly, I hate reading into things....but did anyone else think the handshake and mock hug with Jon last night after he was drafted was a little chilly? He also didn't speak to anything about Duke, while all of the other guys had pretty glowing things to say. Again, I'm maybe reading into that a bit....but it was just something I noticed.
I still have no complaints about a senior Matt starting over a freshman Frank. Frank was given opportunities throughout the year, and was dreadful in most ACC road games, he finally got it going in March.
The only complaint I have about last season is not giving our bigs more of a chance...Giles, Marques,and Javin mainly.
The problem I have with the Frank debate is he was never truly given the keys to run point until Grayson was injured. I'm just of opinion had he been point from the start with Grayson and Luke as off guards, team would have been more dangerous. Matt, to me, played too much. He was a good team player, glad he played for Duke, but I saw him as a 15-20 minute guy max.I can definitely see the argument for the bigs. I may not entirely agree, but I do think it's something that could be debated.
But Frank? He played 25 minutes per game. He really can't have a lot to gripe about. He proved he's great at initiating his offense, but he wasn't great facilitating for others. No one on our team was....but Frank wasn't even the best. Grayson was better. Luke is a better passer too.
And playing time for next season shouldn't have been an issue. He was going to get 30+ a night almost by default.
The problem I have with the Frank debate is he was never truly given the keys to run point until Grayson was injured. I'm just of opinion had he been point from the start with Grayson and Luke as off guards, team would have been more dangerous. Matt, to me, played too much. He was a good team player, glad he played for Duke, but I saw him as a 15-20 minute guy max.
The team may have been doomed anyway, and this debate meaningless, but I compare Frank as an automatic rifle and Matt as a single shot
The problem I have with the Frank debate is he was never truly given the keys to run point until Grayson was injured. I'm just of opinion had he been point from the start with Grayson and Luke as off guards, team would have been more dangerous. Matt, to me, played too much. He was a good team player, glad he played for Duke, but I saw him as a 15-20 minute guy max.
The team may have been doomed anyway, and this debate meaningless, but I compare Frank as an automatic rifle and Matt as a single shot
Poor shooting is extremely black and white, it's polarizing and it over shadows nearly everything else when it's going great or when it's going poorly. Matt didn't shoot well last year. He did everything else pretty solid and better than Frank.He's certainly more talented. I think we can agree on that. However, the raw numbers just don't equate to him being a clear better fit on last season's team.
Matt had three times the number of steals as Frank. He had more assists than him too, despite Frank playing with the ball in his hands more. (Jayson Tatum even had more assists than Frank.) Frank by far fouled at the highest rate on the team, which clearly caused his minutes to 'only' be 25 per night. Lastly, Frank's assist to turnover ratio was the worst of the seven guys who played our 'major' minutes.
Was Frank both a better shooter and offensive weapon? Yes. Everywhere else he was what many would call a 'raw' freshman when talking intangibles. Like I said, a major contributing factor to his minutes being where they were at had to do with inability to stay out of foul trouble.
It's easy to criticize Frank for his mediocre point guard abilities. What do you think his assists per game would have been had he had the whole season running the point. A talented athlete with good ball handling skills, that didn't do a bad job running the team over the last 6-7 games. Now imagine that same kid being able to be coached as the point guard by the staff back in October. Hard for me to think that a staff this talented, the same staff that coached Tatum to the player he was at the end of the season, couldn't have helped Jackson be a better distributor of the ball. Didn't he start at the beginning of the season, then go to 6th man once Tatum came, then start again at end of season? If so, that's a lot of adjustments made by a player of his caliber, who probably didn't like that.
I can definitely see the argument for the bigs. I may not entirely agree, but I do think it's something that could be debated.
But Frank? He played 25 minutes per game. He really can't have a lot to gripe about. He proved he's great at initiating his offense, but he wasn't great facilitating for others. No one on our team was....but Frank wasn't even the best. Grayson was better. Luke is a better passer too.
And playing time for next season shouldn't have been an issue. He was going to get 30+ a night almost by default.
This sort of fits into this thread. I've been watching wrestling since I was a kid (30+ years) and I'm watching WWE Monday Night Raw right now and as it went to commercial, the announcers said that Lavar Ball and all of his sons are going to be interviewed coming up next on a segment called Miz TV. Monday Night Raw is in Los Angeles. This should be interesting. lol
They might be a good fit because here lately WWE has gotten about as ridiculous as Lavar Ball has been. The only reason I really still watch WWE is because there's not really much else on Monday nights lolMan, I just flipped to the WWE crap. I guess the Balls want everyone to hate them. They're doing a good job of it. I guess if he flops, they're goon a try to get him in the WWE.
They might be a good fit because here lately WWE has gotten about as ridiculous as Lavar Ball has been. The only reason I really still watch WWE is because there's not really much else on Monday nights lol
Frank was CLEARLY the better player at season's end IMO. He earned 2nd team ALL ACC honors during the Tournament, along w/Grayson and Amile. Of course Luke and Jayson both received 1st team honors.
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It's easy to criticize Frank for his mediocre point guard abilities. What do you think his assists per game would have been had he had the whole season running the point. A talented athlete with good ball handling skills, that didn't do a bad job running the team over the last 6-7 games. Now imagine that same kid being able to be coached as the point guard by the staff back in October. Hard for me to think that a staff this talented, the same staff that coached Tatum to the player he was at the end of the season, couldn't have helped Jackson be a better distributor of the ball. Didn't he start at the beginning of the season, then go to 6th man once Tatum came, then start again at end of season? If so, that's a lot of adjustments made by a player of his caliber, who probably didn't like that.
Certainly have to agree w/you per the staff. Counting Coach K we have how many ex pgs on staff??? Lol, it is interesting in retrospect to wonder if it might have made any difference if FJ had been given the ball at the 1 in preseason practice.
Perhaps that was the source of the inner turmoil we heard hints of all season? Frank and/or his dad felt he should have been ahead of Matt?...Merely speculation on a message board by myself, but I think we all know there was some tension. JMO....
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