It's not all bad. If we get the Texas guard, that is an experienced backcourt. But he only averaged 9 a game last year. I thought we'd land AJ or Keels tonight. We'll be okay, but we have taken a lot of hits since the season ended.
2022 NBA Draft discussion
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Tbh that Texas guard does nothing for me. Unc and the ram club keep there players, the zags too.
Yeah people are forgetting the only for sure OAD is Whitehead but John went out and got players that will hopefully stick around .
Joey isn’t coming back and I wouldn’t if I was him.
don’t know why everyone thought Duke could get a high transfer portal player . Once again until John shows he’ll use his bench the OAD will scare any transfer away .
next year won’t be Dukes youngest team ever but 2023 sure will be especially if Blake’s and Schutts don’t get any burn this season they will probably hit the portal.
im looking forward to next season and seeing what Scheyer can do and this team.
Please tell me what hits? Hits the fans didn’t expect ? Everyone knew the starting five was OAD. That’s the issue most fans have with not developing a bench, giving your starters a lot of minutes in blow outs and it’s also the repercussions of getting the best talent . All this is on Jon to change which he’s given hints at that he is .
As if I needed once again to learn to learn that it is hard to predict what people will do but I was surprised that both Green and Keels stayed in the draft. Oh well. I still think that Duke could use one more guard, whether the Texas guy through the portal or less desirable, a reclass, Because of what he is said to bring on defense, the Texas guy could work for this year's team. I think. I guess that we will still be talking about this situation for a while because we don't know if the roster is set yet.
Ramey is a four year starter and actually shoots the three pretty well. A 23 year old senior who can defend the perimeter and can shoot? Sounds like a nice plan B to me.
For some but for many it is just as much about the dream of playing in the NBA and the lifestyle as it is about money. I think most of these guys grow up fantasying far more about playing in the NBA than they do about college. As a college basketball fan, I sometimes lose sight of that aspect. Duke will be fine. I don't think the roster is set yet.
Some of you gents are like the high school chick sitting by the phone waiting for the boy to call. I truly believe that our program is about to go downhill. We got a young first year coach, just had almost an entire team leave, our rivals are stacked next year, and we are still trying to fill a roster in June! I mean my gif here we are talking about how we need to “get that kid from Texas”
Duke and Kentucky both depend on o a d that's why nether team will win a championship.
I find this interesting too...but more to the monetary aspect...not sure what the first-rounders get paid but I would think that you could find a second or third-year NBA pro for the same price as a first-rounder or cheaper, and get a known product. If you take this as a money ball type exercise, the first round is a gamble and at a high cost. Forgoing your pick, unless its a generational talent ( LeBron, Kobe, etc) and put the money towards players with proven ability may be a better strategy. This will be an unpopular take here - but Keels and Griffin dont look NBA ready at all...so its years until they can be productive...so why spend that money? NBA is about winning every season..investing time in developing talent when there are plenty of players already out there seems like a bad investment to me..the equivalent of buying a stock on potential vs buying one that has a history of producing ..just my musing with the caveat...I am really not a fan of the NBA....
What do you consider,” Going down hill?”
Duke was just one year removed from not making the tourney prior to this season . IMO , it’s been an issue longer then this year a retaining their players and not just OAD .
kid from Texas is a defensive player. Someone who can come in and defend and show leadership at that end of the floor. Duke just got the number one recruiting class under Scheyer for 22 and so far 23 .
it’s up to the players to play the game on the floor. You can lead a horse to water doesn’t mean it’s going to drink . Also, NIL is good but not every player is going to make money off it .
Duke was just one year removed from not making the tourney prior to this season . IMO , it’s been an issue longer then this year a retaining their players and not just OAD .
kid from Texas is a defensive player. Someone who can come in and defend and show leadership at that end of the floor. Duke just got the number one recruiting class under Scheyer for 22 and so far 23 .
it’s up to the players to play the game on the floor. You can lead a horse to water doesn’t mean it’s going to drink . Also, NIL is good but not every player is going to make money off it .
Every player we have is a role player. We don’t have superstars on this team. I doubt the “Matt Jones of Texas” kid will be much help. I get the need to try and stay positive but the realist in me often takes over
We have 3 of the top 5 recruits coming in and 4 of the top 20. We should be fine, especially if we get additional veteran guard play (Roach and Ramey).
Other than being a streaky shooter Ramey is a good fit. He is a 5th year former 4 star. He is one of the most experienced guards in the country and can play pg as well.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Nil has really done nothing for duke, the ram club 8 miles down the road sure got there kids paid and stayed
That’s the problem. Duke basketball is not supposed to be “fine” this program is better than that
Don't worry we will get one of Keels or Green as I was assured last week. Green must have assumed he was a lottery pick since visiting Duke.
How do you define better than fine? With the addition of another guard, I would expect Duke to have a chance to do well in the post season. That is about all that any fan can wish for. If you are wanting a team full of future NBA players who are also upper classmen, you can forget about it, Those days are long over.
Better than fine would be good. Duke hasn’t had a team of upperclassmen NBA players in 20 plus years. We ain’t asking for that but how bout we return to the days like the 2010 team
You’re missing the point. It’s not the lottery picks leaving that are the head scratchers. It’s the second round to undrafted players. There’s too many to name so I won’t.
Also, not all of Duke's players are "role players". There is a pretty big range between role players and super stars. I would expect some of the freshmen to be very good. As for the 2010 team, that was a rather unique team. I do agree that some players have left that should have stayed but I don't know that anything can be done about it. These guys are going to make their own decisions.
What do you guys think that decision making process looks like for these kids? Despite being in similar situations to many players before them who didn't make the league (insert any number of Duke players who left early only to not make it) they choose to take the chance. Is it people in their ears giving them bad advice? Could they be thinking this is their best shot here and now? Do they just believe they are going to beat the odds?
FWIW I did think Moore would come back, but I never thought Keels would. He gave me the sense that he wasn't really interested in being in college at all. He was just there to play a season of CBB for a top tier program. JMHO.
FWIW I did think Moore would come back, but I never thought Keels would. He gave me the sense that he wasn't really interested in being in college at all. He was just there to play a season of CBB for a top tier program. JMHO.
Top 25 guys at Duke do not return, and if they do return it is due to uncertain draft status. Unless they love Duke like Coleman and Baker. Then they transfer. Just trying to lighten the mood with some levity.
Not to be argumentative, but the 2012-2013 team had a few upperclassmen NBA players. There was Seth Curry, Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly (didn't have a long NBA career but a senior) as seniors who all play or played in the league. The problem with that team, it just wasn't very deep. The other guys were a sophomore Quin Cook, freshmen Rasheed Sulaimon and Amile Jefferson.
Now, if you are saying Duke hasn't had a team like 2010, 3 seniors and 2 juniors starting, then I would agree. That team had 6 guys play in the league.
Ramey .made all Big 12 as a junior. He is a significant upgrade over Blakes and Schutt, and way more experienced than Mitchell. A downgrade from Keels, but that ship has sailed.
I mean ya can’t win em all. Hell the 99 team is proof of that. That championship game still pisses me off btw
I back this statement. He stayed when he could have jumped like the rest leaving for other teams .
