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Mac9192 said:
It’s America’s house, and the last time I checked, Zelensky isn’t an American. He’s been treated more than fair, and Trump spoke to him EXACTLY how he needed to be treated. Zelensky is a weasel.

As far as America and conscription, doesn’t the Vietnam War count?
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I was trying to distinguish between a formal draft and "conscription of that sort."

I think you accidentally said it the way you really see it the first time: it's Dear Leader's house and he can act however he wants free from any decorum, propriety, restraint, or respectability.
 
Dattier said:
I was trying to distinguish between a formal draft and "conscription of that sort."

I think you accidentally said it the way you really see it the first time: it's Dear Leader's house and he can act however he wants free from any decorum, propriety, restraint, or respectability.
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You're not surprised I defend Trump. I think he said exactly what needed to be said. I'm disappointed you're defending Zelensky, but not surprised.
 
Mac9192 said:
You're not surprised I defend Trump. I think he said exactly what needed to be said. I'm disappointed you're defending Zelensky, but not surprised.
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I think you're going to defend him regardless.

A few issues you might want to get ready to defend:
* halting aid to Ukraine, announced in the last hour or so
* how the CDC is doing with the measles outbreak in Texas
* aggressive tariffs against our closest neighbor & closest ally in Canada and other closest neighbor & pretty close ally in Mexico
* our President's threat to cut funding for colleges that allow "illegal" protests
 
Dattier said:
I think you're going to defend him regardless.

A few issues you might want to get ready to defend:
* halting aid to Ukraine, announced in the last hour or so
* how the CDC is doing with the measles outbreak in Texas
* aggressive tariffs against our closest neighbor & closest ally in Canada and other closest neighbor & pretty close ally in Mexico
* our President's threat to cut funding for colleges that allow "illegal" protests
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Yes, I’m going to defend him almost all the time. Do I like the way he sometimes speaks? No. But I look past words. Washington has been a cesspool for way too long.
The party that has long been against wars/wasteful spending, are the same people whining about Trump helping to end to Ukraine/Russia war. Talk about rich. As I type this, Zelensky has posted on X that he wants to negotiate an end to the war.

On tariffs, it is long overdue. Trump’s purpose is to get more goods made here. Will we pay more for some things? Possibly. I can’t think of the other company, but I’ve heard Honda just announced it’s going to have a factory here instead of out of the country.
What does that do? J O B S.

Not sure what will happen with measles in Texas, nor what you’re expecting.

Trump SHOULD cut funding to universities that allow “illegal” protests. The key word here? ILLEGAL.
 
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Dattier said:
It's not his house.

I saw with my own two eyes how our President spoke to President Zelensky. Saaaaaaaaaaaaw.
I have heard third-hand about Ukrainian men being abducted and forcibly enlisted. Hearrrrrrrrrrd.

The last time the US had conscription of that sort was during the Civil War, which was, of course, the last time a war was fought on US soil. Poland used 12-year-olds during WW2. A bunch of Central African countries are using child soldiers right now.

It's an awful thing, but in an occupied country where those same people may be just as likely to be killed by the invading military, there is important context and extenuating circumstances. It doesn't make it any less awful, but it does make it more understandable and regrettable.
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Zelensky is a greedy little bastard. How much money are you willing to give him?
 
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Mac9192 said:
Yes, I’m going to defend him almost all the time. Do I like the way he sometimes speaks? No. But I look past words. Washington has been a cesspool for way too long.
The party that has long been against wars/wasteful spending, are the same people whining about Trump helping to end to Ukraine/Russia war. Talk about rich. As I type this, Zelensky has posted on X that he wants to negotiate an end to the war.

On tariffs, it is long overdue. Trump’s purpose is to get more goods made here. Will we pay more for some things? Possibly. I can’t think of the other company, but I’ve heard Honda just announced it’s going to have a factory here instead of out of the country.
What does that do? J O B S.

Not sure what will happen with measles in Texas, nor what you’re expecting.

Trump SHOULD cut funding to universities that allow “illegal” protests. The key word here? ILLEGAL.
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That Honda factory is opening next month. Trump didn't do that.
Canada and China have already announced tariffs on American-made products, and Mexico is close behind.
Pay attention to what RFK, Jr is saying or not saying about measles. You'll have to diversify your media because right-wing media is ignoring it.
The key thing are those quotation marks around the word illegal. What epidemic of "illegal"
protests are happening on college campuses? Or is it just anything our President doesn't like? Do you really think he has a clear grasp on what is or isn't illegal?
 
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Dattier said:
That Honda factory is opening next month. Trump didn't do that.
Canada and China have already announced tariffs on American-made products, and Mexico is close behind.
Pay attention to what RFK, Jr is saying or not saying about measles. You'll have to diversify your media because right-wing media is ignoring it.
The key thing are those quotation marks around the word illegal. What epidemic of "illegal
protests are happening on college campuses? Or is it just anything our President doesn't like? Do you really think he has a clear grasp on what is or isn't illegal?
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I said I haven't followed the measles. I've also admitted I don't watch a lot of news, but as usual, nice swing and miss. On the college protest? You asked a question, so I answered it. One "illegal" protest is one too many.

Again though, you've done what you're a master at, which is come up empty.
 
It is so easy to criticize Trump for putting tariffs on our neighbors, but nobody cares that our neighbors have tariffs on us.

I will wait to see if the outcome meets the intent. Which is to encourage businesses and manufacturers to invest in America. If that happens, the short term pain will pay off. If not, then it will go down as a huge failure and will have consequential impacts on the midterms. Either way, I wish people cared equally about how we are treated to how much they care about how Trump treats other countries.
 
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Mac9192 said:
I said I haven't followed the measles. I've also admitted I don't watch a lot of news, but as usual, nice swing and miss. On the college protest? You asked a question, so I answered it. One "illegal" protest is one too many.

Again though, you've done what you're a master at, which is come up empty.
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I bet you can tell me more about how FEMA under the Biden Administration is continuing to fail WNC, though.

Identify one actual illegal protest allowed on a college campus.

GhostOf301 said:
It is so easy to criticize Trump for putting tariffs on our neighbors, but nobody cares that our neighbors have tariffs on us.

I will wait to see if the outcome meets the intent. Which is to encourage businesses and manufacturers to invest in America. If that happens, the short term pain will pay off. If not, then it will go down as a huge failure and will have consequential impacts on the midterms. Either way, I wish people cared equally about how we are treated to how much they care about how Trump treats other countries.
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What tariffs is our President responding to?
 
Dattier said:
I bet you can tell me more about how FEMA under the Biden Administration is continuing to fail WNC, though.

Identify one actual illegal protest allowed on a college campus.


What tariffs is our President responding to?
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Dattier said:
I bet you can tell me more about how FEMA under the Biden Administration is continuing to fail WNC, though.

Identify one actual illegal protest allowed on a college campus.


What tariffs is our President responding to?
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I’ve not been complaining about WNC, and don’t know who is responsible if many up there have not gotten the help they need. But here you go whiffing again.

I didn’t say how many protests are being done. For the third, and final time, if there’s one that is allowed, then the university should be punished. You’re trying to make an argument where there isn’t one.


**What you think about Zelensky now willing to negotiate a peace agreement? **
 
GhostOf301 said:
Where did I say that he was responding to tariffs?
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You said no one cares about the tariffs on us. Are you referring to the fact that Canada and China and soon, Mexico, are instituting tariffs in response to President Trump's tariffs? That's kinda like saying we ought to be mad at the guy we started a fight with for fighting back.
 
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Mac9192 said:
I’ve not been complaining about WNC, and don’t know who is responsible if many up there have not gotten the help they need. But here you go whiffing again.

I didn’t say how many protests are being done. For the third, and final time, if there’s one that is allowed, then the university should be punished. You’re trying to make an argument where there isn’t one.


**What you think about Zelensky now willing to negotiate a peace agreement? **
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Really? You haven't been rocking a big forehead vein about how badly President Biden ruined WNC because he hates America and deliberately wants to destroy it because he's evil, but also dumber than a bag of rocks? Since when? You mean in the last week?

Yes, and I asked for one example of a protest that has actually been illegal as evidence that it's not just our President calling everything he doesn't like "illegal." One example.

Zelensky was always willing to negotiate a peace agreement. The key word is "negotiate."
 
Dattier said:
Really? You haven't been rocking a big forehead vein about how badly President Biden ruined WNC because he hates America and deliberately wants to destroy it because he's evil, but also dumber than a bag of rocks? Since when? You mean in the last week?

Yes, and I asked for one example of a protest that has actually been illegal as evidence that it's not just our President calling everything he doesn't like "illegal." One example.

Zelensky was always willing to negotiate a peace agreement. The key word is "negotiate."
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Dattier said:
You said no one cares about the tariffs on us. Are you referring to the fact that Canada and China and soon, Mexico, are instituting tariffs in response to President Trump's tariffs? That's kinda like saying we ought to be mad at the guy we started a fight with for fighting back.
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No, DATT. I am talking about the tariffs they already had on the U.S.
 
GhostOf301 said:
Datt. Looks like your little buddy is bending the knee.

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He is r-e-i-t-e-r-a-t-i-n-g ithat he wants to negotiate peace. That means he is repeating what he has previously said.

Putin must be very proud of President Trump for using our might to bring an ally to his knees, if that's what this really is.
 
Dattier said:
He is r-e-i-t-e-r-a-t-i-n-g ithat he wants to negotiate peace. That means he is repeating what he has previously said.

Putin must be very proud of President Trump for using our might to bring an ally to his knees, if that's what this really is.
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How is Ukraine and ally, exactly? Maybe an ally to some senators' checking accounts.

Did he bring Zelensky to his knees, or was he already on his knees? I thought you just said that he was just repeating what he has already said.

His words today are a far cry from just yesterday when he said that the war was far from over. You will let this little grifter say whatever he wants because your team thinks he's just the greatest guy ever.
 
Dattier said:
So are President Trump's tariffs a response to those?
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Trump has multiple reasons for imposing tariffs on these countries. One, is to negotiate a better trade deal for America where we aren't getting ass raped by the deficit. One is to change American consumer habits to buy US products. One is to encourage U.S. manufacturing and investments. One is for leverage on illegal immigration and drugs at the border and the manufacturing of fentanyl by China.

Like I said. I will wait to see if the outcome meets the intent to say whether it is a great thing or not. But I think you should be mad at those countries for taking advantage of us for so long. Not at Trump for holding them accountable for it.
 
Dattier said:
Really? You haven't been rocking a big forehead vein about how badly President Biden ruined WNC because he hates America and deliberately wants to destroy it because he's evil, but also dumber than a bag of rocks? Since when? You mean in the last week?

Zelensky was always willing to negotiate a peace agreement. The key word is "negotiate."
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Datt, you're testing my ability to not call you an idiot. Nothing about this is true. Nothing. Either you're trolling, or a liar. Plain and simple. I never said Biden ruined WNC because he hates America. Sounds to me like you're the one about to pop a vein in your forehead. I've never denied my view on Biden's mental competence.

Zelensky was always willing to negotiate a peace agreement? Then why hasn't he? For giggles, let's not give Trump credit for pushing it along. But awful ironic that it is possibly taking place a few days after Trump scolded his ass on live tv.
 
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