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If I've only been right here on one thing, that's still one more than you have. You bring nothing of substance. @Dahntay#1 asked you several respectable questions in his last post. But, being shifty as you are, you've dodged it, instead criticizing a part of my response to him.
You probably can beat your students in dodgeball too.
Any opinion that the majority of people would probably disagree with you on. Some examples…
Moon landing not being real
9/11 being an inside job
Earth being flat
Sandy Hook being a hoax
2020 election being rigged
Holocaust denial
Climate change being fake
COVID being a lie
I’m not asking you your thoughts on any of those specifically, nor am I saying I subscribe to any of them. They are merely examples to the types of mainstream “conspiracy theories” I am referring to. I feel pretty confident in saying that we both probably know where the majority of people stand on these theories. So I’m asking are there any types of theories similar to these where you have the minority viewpoint.
Things I'd like @Dattier opinion on. Not what he's read
Politicians make close to 200k a year, but become MULTI millionaires in no time
How much was our media compromised during Covid when they possibly receive big donations from Big Pharma
Four key states stopped counting on election night of 2020, with one candidate winning, only to wake up with the other candidate in the lead. Reasonable for many to doubt the honesty of the election?
Why are so many democrats/liberals outraged with what DOGE is doing, when it's possible we receive a nice check from their findings?
Politicians make close to 200k a year, but become MULTI millionaires in no time
How much was our media compromised during Covid when they possibly receive big donations from Big Pharma
Four key states stopped counting on election night of 2020, with one candidate winning, only to wake up with the other candidate in the lead. Reasonable for many to doubt the honesty of the election?
Why are so many democrats/liberals outraged with what DOGE is doing, when it's possible we receive a nice check from their findings?
I don't believe any of those specifically.
I still think something fishy went on in the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo, but that doesn't really distinguish me from a lot of people on the left. Same with many, many other LEO-involved fatal shootings/chokeholds/etc.
I think privatized prisons since President Reagan have led to influence from those privatizers packaged as "get tough on crime" initiatives and less focus on rehabilitating prisoners, which has fueled higher and higher numbers of incarcerated people and recidivists.
I don't think Oswald acted alone.
I think US interference is more responsible for the failure of many socialist/communist regimes around the world than any flaws in the principles of socialism and communism (which none of those regimes ever did for long without corruption, both internal and external).
I think open container laws are dumb and I love a road beer. If I can drink the same beer in a bar or friend's house then legally drive home, I don't see why I can't have the same amount on the way home.
I don't consider "the left" and "mainstream" to be the same, and I don't think my ideas fit into just one of them, or just both of them, for that matter. I don't pretend I'm inventing the wheel on any of those, either.
Dunno. What do we think? I have a feeling you can guess whether I like it or not. Maybe even why.
Got it. Next, take any one of those conspiracies. You do realize that if it were hypothetically true, you’re not going to able to find out through Google, YouTube, ABC, NBC, NY Times, CNN, etc right? You’re only going to be presented with sources that go along with the mainstream narrative.
It would be like trying to figure out who the best college basketball coach of all-time is with no prior sports knowledge. If every sports publication was run by a UNC sports fan, don’t you think they could easily put out articles and media to make uninformed sports fans think that Dean Smith is the best coach of all-time? What if they also then had the ability to make it almost impossible to find articles and statistics referencing Coach K and John Wooden? And to put the cherry on top, anyone who mentioned Coach K or Wooden is labeled a crazy person who should not be trusted.
Well, that’s exactly how it all works. Essentially you’re only being presented with sources that are to make you believe a certain narrative. So in your mind, you’re thinking “I’m being presented with all of pertinent information, so conclusion is obvious.” The problem is you’re maybe being presented with a third of the information and it would take a timely and concerted effort to actually get to the actual facts. Something that only a small percentage of people will do. They 100% understand this.
That hard to give an honest opinion, huh? You'll claim that it wouldn't be worth your time. That's fine.
I am torn. I don't think it is a good look for our country. But at the same time, the point in this meeting outside of the rare earth minerals was to get to a point of agreement for a ceasefire. Zelenski thinks he can take billions of U.S. dollars with no intentions of paying it back and then lecture the leaders of America in the oval office live in TV on why he won't agree to a ceasefire. Time and a place.
If Putin were taking billions and billions of U.S. dollars and disrespected the oval office, do you not think they'd talk to him that way? Do you see any fault in Zelensky for how this went down?
I saw a premeditated, performative attack on Zelensky where VP Vance repeated an entire statement twice, almost verbatim, because he memorized it ahead of time. I saw our President and VP demanding that they be thanked by a man who has constantly expressed gratitude for the US's help. I didn't see any lecturing from Zelensky. I saw him get ambushed so that our President could play the tough guy for his base.
How about Netanyahu? They take billions more from the US than Ukraine has even thought about.
Our President just took the side of a dictator who invaded a sovereign nation.
Not even apples to oranges when it comes to Israel. Nice try at whataboutism. We actual get something in return from Israel.
He did not take the side of Putin. He demanded respect from Zelensky who decided to take a stand against Trump's goal of reaching a ceasefire live in front of the American media. Vance was right to call him out for that. That is closed door conversation. I think they should have moved on instead of it turning into a shouting match, but Zelensky is no battered pup here.
I do not agree. I do not accept that msm is beholden to some nefarious "narrative" to the point that they will not follow the story. "If it bleeds, it leads."
It is entirely feasible that someone outside msm would be the first to shed light on an issue that is not yet big enough to get the big dogs' attention. In fact, that's usually how it works. The local beat reporter catches a story and if it blows up, the national media start paying attention. That's how Nuke LaLoosh's career really got rolling, from his minor league days with the Durham Bulls until he got called up to MLB. But why is that beat reporter necessarily any more trustworthy and accurate? Yeah, we love the story of the earnest up-and-comer blah, blah, bootstrapping, blah, and root for the scrappy underdog against the big corporate journalism machine, but they can be compromised by their desperate attempts to make a splash just as much. I mean, look how Richard Thornburg bullied his way into the McLane household in pursuit of an exclusive interview and nearly cost Holly Gennaro McLane her life.
I am much more inclined to believe the media are getting used just like we are than to believe they're complicit in pushing false narratives for no discernible gain. And I don't think there's enough political money for them to turn their backs on a big story.
It's closer to apples and a reddish orange than the hypothetical you entertained about Putin.
Where was Zelensky disrespectful? Our President and VP already made it a political spectacle before he even opened his mouth, and when he did speak, it was essentially to give VP Vance a history lesson, who then went on the attack.
Why is that a closed door conversation? Because it embarrasses our President after he misrepresented the situation, also in public?
Sen Graham is our President's lapdog. And other Republicans are calling President Trump out.
We got to see how the sausage is made. This has gone on behind closed doors in the past. Trump doesn't do things like others. It was even reported that Biden would yell at Zelensky over the phone. Trump is playing the long game here. It's obvious that just sending Ukraine money and weapons will not end this. There has to be a different approach.
They get their marching orders from the top. The journalists that we actually see are just doing what they are told. In their minds, they aren’t pushing a false narrative. I mean, you realize that most employees of Theranos and Enron had no idea that their CEOs were crooks right? They are just the “little man” doing their jobs.
If these journalists go rogue, they get fired immediately. If you don’t think they get marching orders from the top, how do you explain this? You think they all coincidentally happened to say the same lines verbatim?
Unrelated. But it has come to my attention that almost over night, the left has replaced the word puppet with lapdog. In unison.
So when Zelensky tries to debate Trump during a press meeting in the oval office, that is not disrespect?
Tell the truth, datt. On one side of your Subaru there is a sticker that says please be patient new driver, and on the other side there is a Ukraine flag. Isn't there?
MSM tells us what they're instructed to tell us. They've been able to control the information on the internet, but several things really hurt them. Biden was one. Up until mid 2024 they had gotten away with hardly criticizing him at all. We had been watching this guy mumble, stumble, and hardly be seen for years, yet all they wanted to do was criticize Trump. Then there was the assassination attempt on Trump, and the second one that was stopped beforehand. That made more eyebrows raise. Then there's Kamala. She was nothing but a disastrous option.
What we were seeing with our own eyes wasn't lining up with what our media was trying to sell. But for years they have been able to gaslight and manipulate us. Thank God for social media, Podcasts mainly. So by the time the election rolled around, enough people had awakened.
Now to people like @Dattier, Podcasts are just something conspiracy theorists like myself subscribe to. But in reality, we are getting more credible info on so many things. MSM is now known for what it really is, Garbage.
