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Dahntay#1 said:
Not trying to hijack the convo you guys are having but I do have questions. Do you trust the media? Do you think they don’t purposely lie to the public to fit their narratives? Do you think the media and journalism work the same way they did 30 or 40 years ago?

The answer to all of those seem pretty obvious to me. But if I’m following what your saying you may see it completely different and actually trust what the media tells you. Do I have the right?
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I think the media is definitely compromised, but more from who owns them or supports them with ads than from partisan politics on the part of individual journalists. I don't expect them to be completely without bias because that's pretty much impossible. And there are lots of journalists and media outfits out there who maintain high levels of integrity despite bias.

I wouldn't say I trust them, but I also don't believe most of them purposely lie very often to fit a predetermined narrative. I don't take much at face value anymore. I vet and cross-reference pretty much everything I read.
 
The biggest problem with the media is that journalists more resemble activists and the majority of viewers on the left and right put more value in prime time opinion-based figureheads that confirm their views for them. Sean Hannity is obnoxious and kisses the ass of the republican party. Probably can't get the taste of Trump's ass out of his mouth. But man, look at how many lefty loonies their are on other networks. They outnumber the looney righties 6 to 1. And they definitely purposely lie. A lot.
 
Mac9192 said:
Another one of your of "out of touch with reality" posts. You have been indoctrinated by the Educational System. It's great that you're educated. The problem is you're just not very intelligent. Every now and then, you'll show glimpses of a little intelligence, but not very often. Who you hang out with on a daily basis most likely doesn't help. Too many in education have no real world experience. This also makes you not willing to, or unable to, think for yourself.

Your last several posts prove it.
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Part of what you call "indoctrination by the Educational System" is "learning sound strategies and processes." Education has "indoctrinated" me to believe I should vet sources, apply critical thinking and textual analysis to what I read, view, and hear. If learning how to think for myself means, somehow, that I'm indoctrinated and don't think for myself... uh... yeah... you might want to workshop that criticism a bit more.

I'm the first to acknowledge the limits of my knowledge. I have worked in public education full-time since I got out of undergrad 29+ years ago. My part-time private sector work experience as an adult has all been education-related, too. And my wife is in ag, so I know a good bit about that, too. You'll notice I have little to say about economics beyond the philosophical. (Well, you would notice, if you actually paid attention to who I am instead of inventing a caricature of me that's not as intimidating.)

You talk in absolutes constantly, mac. You don't understand nuances. You never pause to consider whether new information might be valid; you instead rush to judgment and dismissal if it challenges what you wish was true, and trumpet it when it confirms your existing views. You are fond of calling me a sheep, but never vet your media sources or demonstrate any kind of critical thinking skills to back up what you think. You think complexity is suspicious, like everything is simple to understand and everyone understands everything the exact same way unless they are evil, dishonest, stupid, and other absolute judgments. You constantly tell me what I know to be true as if you can read my heart and mind... but I'm the arrogant one. You demonstrate no critical thinking skills... but I'm not very intelligent. I'm the only regular leftist here and apply valid, crucial academic skills at every turn... but I'm the one who can't think for myself.

Of the regulars here, it's a toss-up between you and kdstone for who I think is the dumbest. Maybe I'm forgetting someone... For you to claim I'm not very intelligent just confirms for me that I'm doing something right.
 
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GhostOf301 said:
The biggest problem with the media is that journalists more resemble activists and the majority of viewers on the left and right put more value in prime time opinion-based figureheads that confirm their views for them. Sean Hannity is obnoxious and kisses the ass of the republican party. Probably can't get the taste of Trump's ass out of his mouth. But man, look at how many lefty loonies their are on other networks. They outnumber the looney righties 6 to 1. And they definitely purposely lie. A lot.
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Uhhhh... and yet FoxNews reaches way, way, way more viewers. Conservatives are very proud of that when it suits their purpose, so your made-up 6 to 1 ratio doesn't really matter. There are more mentally ill unhoused persons ranting on street corners in America's Democrat-run cities than there are Sean Hannitys on FoxNews, but so what?
 
I agree about Hannity. I agree with a lot of what he says, but think he's not tough enough on Republicans. Bill O'Reilly is very good, but he doesn't believe it's true until he announces it. Joe Rogan has surprisingly made himself into someone worth listening to.

The best line though has come from Steven A Smith. Not long ago he said he was tired of listening to Hannity, Megyn Kelly, and Officer Tatum say stuff, and be proven correct.
 
I think the majority of networks lie, either by omission or by grossly exaggerating events to form public opinions. You don’t realize how much they lie until you actually take the time to properly research their claims.

Most of the media is one sided. They are given their marching orders from the top. I saw a video one time where at least 50 different news channels were literally repeating the same exact lines. Not same topics, but same lines verbatim. So if you cross reference something said in the media, and all sources used for referencing have the same ideology, you’re wasting your time.
 
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Dattier said:
Uhhhh... and yet FoxNews reaches way, way, way more viewers. Conservatives are very proud of that when it suits their purpose, so your made-up 6 to 1 ratio doesn't really matter. There are more mentally ill unhoused persons ranting on street corners in America's Democrat-run cities than there are Sean Hannitys on FoxNews, but so what?
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Well, that fact would support my claim that the loons on the leftists propaganda networks outnumber the loons on fox. You're team is losing fans because of how looney they have become. It's only the hardcore jersey wearers like you that still think they have an ounce of dignity left.
 
dukesince91 said:
I taught for 29 years and believe me, I saw a lot of fruit cakes in the teaching profession.
I never claimed to be intelligent, but I always thought I had a little bit of common sense. Many teachers were jealous of me teaching P.E. They would make comments about how I had it made. How you’re lucky you can wear shorts and sweats to work. I just would tell them that they just got in the wrong line and could have made the same choice I made. A lot of teachers would complain about the pay , but weren’t willing to work an extra job to help make ends meet. They enjoyed all the holidays and summers off, but bitched about the pay.
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We've talked about this some before... Were you in NC? Were you an NEA member?
I'm very involved in union work. I like how common sense is defined within the union: it's what the majority of people accept as true. It's neither an endorsement nor an indictment of whether it is true or not, which is different from the more common idea that it means what is logical. In union terms, if the common sense is inaccurate or harmful, the goal is to shift it, creating a new "the common sense."

The idea that teachers should have to work second jobs is toxic. We are terribly underpaid. There is no other profession requiring the same level of education, certification, and recertification, with as much responsibility, that is paid anywhere near as badly. Yay for summer vacay, but that doesn't change that we are very underpaid, and NC is among the worst. We can love our jobs and do our jobs and still want working conditions to improve.

I think jealousy of PE teachers is insulting to PE teachers. It's based on really trivial things like sweatpants and the perception that it's "easy." Considering the physical health crisis going on now and our understanding of how physical health affects mental health, PE/Health is arguably the most important content for students to learn today.
 
GhostOf301 said:
Well, that fact would support my claim that the loons on the leftists propaganda networks outnumber the loons on fox. You're team is losing fans because of how looney they have become. It's only the hardcore jersey wearers like you that still think they have an ounce of dignity left.
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When did they last pull more viewers than FoxNews?
When have I ever gone in hardcore for msm?
 
Dattier said:
Part of what you call "indoctrination by the Educational System" is "learning sound strategies and processes." Education has "indoctrinated" me to believe I should vet sources, apply critical thinking and textual analysis to what I read, view, and hear. If learning how to think for myself means, somehow, that I'm indoctrinated and don't think for myself... uh... yeah... you might want to workshop that criticism a bit more.

I'm the first to acknowledge the limits of my knowledge. I have worked in public education full-time since I got out of undergrad 29+ years ago. My part-time private sector work experience as an adult has all been education-related, too. And my wife is in ag, so I know a good bit about that, too. You'll notice I have little to say about economics beyond the philosophical. (Well, you would notice, if you actually paid attention to who I am instead of inventing a caricature of me that's not as intimidating.)

You talk in absolutes constantly, mac. You don't understand nuances. You never pause to consider whether new information might be valid; you instead rush to judgment and dismissal if it challenges what you wish was true, and trumpet it when it confirms your existing views. You are fond of calling me a sheep, but never vet your media sources or demonstrate any kind of critical thinking skills to back up what you think. You think complexity is suspicious, like everything is simple to understand and everyone understands everything the exact same way unless they are evil, dishonest, stupid, and other absolute judgments. You constantly tell me what I know to be true as if you can read my heart and mind... but I'm the arrogant one. You demonstrate no critical thinking skills... but I'm not very intelligent. I'm the only regular leftist here and apply valid, crucial academic skills at every turn... but I'm the one who can't think for myself.

Of the regulars here, it's a toss-up between you and kdstone for who I think is the dumbest. Maybe I'm forgetting someone... For you to claim I'm not very intelligent just confirms for me that I'm doing something right.
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The only credit I'm willing to give you is that you're not a bad basketball poster, but when the subject is politics/social issues, you're extremely dense. It's nothing short of a lie when you say you know you have limits on your knowledge. Because if that were true, you would do what sdevada did, and hide out like she has done, or you would simply quit talking politics and social issues.

A lot of what I do post IS in absolutes. Biden was absolutely mentally unfit to be President. We all saw what he was doing, and heard the gibber coming out of his mouth. For years. Sure, if you watched news on tv NOT named Fox, Newsmax, or OAN, you didn't see any of this. Corporate media hid it all. This is absolutely the truth.

I'll say it again, the night of the debate absolutely exposed Biden AND a lot of the media. No amount of evidence will ever be enough to convince you though. Your pride handcuffs you.

How's that for absolutes?
 
Mac9192 said:
The only credit I'm willing to give you is that you're not a bad basketball poster, but when the subject is politics/social issues, you're extremely dense. It's nothing short of a lie when you say you know you have limits on your knowledge. Because if that were true, you would do what sdevada did, and hide out like she has done, or you would simply quit talking politics and social issues.

A lot of what I do post IS in absolutes. Biden was absolutely mentally unfit to be President. We all saw what he was doing, and heard the gibber coming out of his mouth. For years. Sure, if you watched news on tv NOT named Fox, Newsmax, or OAN, you didn't see any of this. Corporate media hid it all. This is absolutely the truth.

I'll say it again, the night of the debate absolutely exposed Biden AND a lot of the media. No amount of evidence will ever be enough to convince you though. Your pride handcuffs you.

How's that for absolutes?
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It just came to me that you may not actually be arguing in bad faith about Biden. It seems you actually didn’t see what others saw until debate night. You only watch left leaning media and they were purposely hiding that from you.

So that begs the question: If they hid from you the fact that the President of the United States was mentally incapacitated, wouldn’t it probably mean they are hiding other things from you as well?
 
Dahntay#1 said:
It just came to me that you may not actually be arguing in bad faith about Biden. It seems you actually didn’t see what others saw until debate night. You only watch left leaning media and they were purposely hiding that from you.

So that begs the question: If they hid from you the fact that the President of the United States was mentally incapacitated, wouldn’t it probably mean they are hiding other things from you as well?
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Help me out here. I'm not following you, or did you mean to quote @Dattier?
 
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