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Restore faith in a higher being? Do I need to pull up all the horrifying statistics caused by religion throughout human history to show why that's a ****ing horrible idea?
Btw, if you actually paid attention to what people were saying during the "defend the police" movement you might have learned that it wasn't about doing away with cops or vilifing them. Most people realize that having cops respond to all kinds of different situations in which they probably aren't specifically trained for is a bad idea.
So the idea is to move funding from patrol units and arming our police to be one of the largest military in the world, and putting it towards getting specialists to work with police to respond alongside in situations that they are better prepared for, to help keep the community and the cops safe. It would also include things like extending the training you have to go through to become a cop and helping to remove an undercurrent of racism in a lot of our police forces.
"Defund the police" was just a catchy slogan to help the message spread easier. Doesn't seem like it was that effective though.
Anywho let's get back to this idea that gun violence isn't really a huge deal with kids because it mostly affects kids over 12. You republicans are incredible. You're literally saying we shouldn't even try any form of common sense gun control because the kids dying aren't young enough. Which honestly I guess does line up with the Republican pro-birth stance of completely forgetting to take care of the kids you want to force people to have so, I guess yall are finally developing some logical consistency at least.
You know what, just remove kids from the argument entirely. 48,000 Americans died last as result of guns. Over 20,000 as a result of murder. That number probably doesn't even bother you does it? You probably think "well that's not really that many so who cares". Go ahead and try to count to 20,000 and see just how small of a number that isn't. A lot of people lives are ruined because of guns. No one is saying take all the guns and if they are they're gonna get laughed out of the room. But we have to do something, and idiots such as yourself who want to get all defensive about it and not even try are just that, idiots.
It has to be extremely tiring going through all of these mental gymnastics needed to A. Convince yourself of some of these things and 2. Try and convince others they’re real even when the facts don’t support it. From climate change to Covid vaccines and masks to gun control and defund the police. This society has been brainwashed beyond comprehension and anyone who questions any of the agenda items gets labeled a conspiracy theorist.
The training is for the staff and not kids. Only a liberal like you would report it, for whatever that means. I’m not lying by the way, just something else to get you unhinged.
You're not looking to have a good faith discussion. You're more interested in defending the terrible biases that you cite. You put woords in my mouth and twist it into me saying that I don't care. You are one of the most disingenuous people to post ITT over the years.
Your argument about police does not do anything to prove what I said wrong. It's just more words that lead to dead ends. It is a fact that police don't patrol certain areas anymore. It is a fact that that has led to higher levels of gang and drug violence. It is a fact that gang and drug violence is where the vast majority of teen gun violence comes from. It is a fact that the people who want to terrify the public with their skewed numbers on children gun deaths are the same people who support policies that are directly responsible for the increase in children gun deaths.
You keep reverting back to calling people idiots while you are always the biggest idiot in the room. No matter what room you're in. I don't believe in doing nothing. I believe that correcting societal and culture issues is a much more affective way to combat gun violence. Your stance on religion is from ignorance and hate. If you come from a home with structure and moral beliefs, you are undeniably less likely to enter a life of violence and crime. And as much as you hate people who have faith in their religion, that is where structure and moral beliefs start.
I am not sure he said anything about them being done in a classroom. I think your problem with comprehension is that you are too angry of a person to even take the time to understand the arguments that come from the people you don't like based on their political beliefs. You just recite numbers out of context without questioning the reasons why those numbers are presented the way they are. The article you posted earlier specifically noted that they included 18 and 19 year olds. The vast majority of gun violence is from people ages 17-24. The number drops significantly in the age group 14-17. You get all pissy when we give you these facts as if it means we don't care. These facts matter because they illustrate how misleading it is to say that gun deaths are the leading cause of death amongst children. Whether or not it is technically correct. Again, and again I will tell you that this is done to make society emotional. It, like you, is disingenuous.
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Your dismissal without even considering the educational benefit from facts shows how unwilling you are to use common sense. You're a lost soul and owned by your party.
It is absolutely in the training videos.
Great comeback, come up with that on your own or did msnbc have to write out for you to regurgitate?
You dumbass, I stated it was a training for staff. I never mentioned kids. Other modules include: Bloodborne Pathogen Exposure Prevention, Slips, Trips, and Falls, Fire Extinguisher Safey, First Aid, and Active Shooter. All of this is for staff in the case they have to deal with any of these situations. Yeah, the staff was to discuss school shootings with kids and how many there are. I’m an idiot, “Come on man!”
I missed that line. My bad. Still, the module is spreading misinformation to its teachers. Which is a pretty goddamn huge deal. It obviously works because you believe it.
It was definitely msnbc. Obviously I'm a lib and as we all know lib=a human being totally incapable of forming any opinion or though on their own.
You just say things that aren't true and because you said it, you think it's true. There's no way that you are not trolling us.
The most factual statement you have made yet.
As I said earlier even if you do eliminate anyone over 17 it's still the leading cause of death in kids. And again, just because someone is older than 18 doesn't mean that their lives don't matter. Gun violence against kids is far from the only issue with guns. We have to have gun control.
Wrong my hate for religion comes from my stance on religion and my stance comes from the fact that I've seen it used to steal, rape and murder in the name of God.
Theocracies do not work except for those at the head of the religion. Need a modern example? Take a look at the Middle East. Obviously we can't eradicate religion, and people are free to believe what they want. But it cannot form our nations "moral" backbone because it is so easily abused. And besides, bad people are going to suddenly become good because of religion and good people are good people regardless of whether they have faith.
Let's pretend that the context you deliberately ignore doesn't matter. You want to blame the tools of the violent crimes over the culture and the lack of morals. A big number of an entire generation of teenagers in our inner cities who have no regard for human life. You can keep reciting numbers that are presented in order to make you emotional, but gun violence is not even close to the leading cause when you remove 17, 18 and 19 year olds. This does not mean that their lives don't matter, and when you distract from the conversation by accusing me of not caring because I don't buy into the ideas that delusional people have that would solve the issues, you are being a deliberate asshole. I care about teaching the importance of human life. Teaching to respect right and wrong and how to raise your children to love and respect everyone no matter what your disagreements are. If you have those values, the rest will work itself out.
You pretend to care about gun violence. But you toe the line of your political heroes who want you to ignore, to look the other way, to excuse violence because it comes from a sector of society that has been deemed victimized. If we focused on changing the culture of minorities, and the morals of everyone, the numbers would be much more reasonable to control with common sense gun laws. Until then, you're just going to be using a snow shovel to move flood waters to the other side of a chain linked fence.
Conservatives get accused of having their heads in the sand, and there certainly are some, but the most ridiculous idea is that it is a gun issue and not a culture issue.
Again, you're using your own personal and unreasonable views to dismiss what I am saying. Good hearted people with strong households are not formed by atheists. So in our society, there are rising numbers of rapes, murders and thieves. Can you give me an honest number of how many of those are being done by religious people? You're using outliers, big ones, to justify the hate in your heart. They're also outdated.
Poor @eldritchorifice. He’s got the talking points of the msm almost memorized. I believe something traumatic happened earlier in his life.
A normal person isn’t filled with the hatred he is.
A normal person isn’t filled with the hatred he is.
"If we focused on changing the culture of minorities" and you wonder why Republicans are labeled racist. Possibly it's because well, you are. 31,000 of that 48,000 were white. So tell me again how we need to change minority culture.
"A big number of an entire generation of teenagers in our inner cities who have no regard for human life" I'm gonna need you to back this claim with some stats. Who says they have no regard for human life? Maybe they but they feel the need to be involved in violence to protect others they care about.
It isn't just inner city kids who are feeling disenfranchised either. Plenty of country kids too. Plenty turn drugs, violence or both. Ask me how I know.
Again, you're stupid. https://www.kff.org/mental-health/i...earm-mortality-in-the-u-s-and-peer-countries/
"In 2020 and 2021, firearms contributed to the deaths of more children ages 1-17 years in the U.S. than any other type of injury or illness. The child firearm mortality rate has doubled in the U.S. from a recent low of 1.8 deaths per 100,000 in 2013 to 3.7 in 2021."
"As might be expected, teenagers have higher firearm mortality rates than children. In the U.S., teens ages 18 and 19 have a firearm mortality rate of 25.2 per 100,000, compared to a rate of 3.7 per 100,000 for children ages 1-17 in the U.S. Even so, the child firearm mortality rate in the U.S. (3.7 per 100,000 people ages 1-17) is 5.5 times the child and teen mortality rate in Canada (0.6 per 100,000 people ages 1-19).
If the child and teen firearm mortality rate in the U.S. had been brought down to rates seen in Canada, we estimate that approximately 30,000 children’s and teenagers’ lives in the U.S. would have been saved since 2010 (an average of about 2,500 lives per year). This would have reduced the total number of child and teenage deaths from all causes in the U.S. by 13%."
Again. You are giving false numbers. You have already acknowledged that 20,000 are murders. How can there be 31,000 out of 20,000? The number you need to figure out is the number of murders that are committed by minorities. And of course, your lazy, stupid and out of touch ass will label facts as racist. In order to fix cultural issues, you have to acknowledge that they exist. The number one cause of death for a black male is at the hands of another black male. It is eye opening the number of murders in the black community when you consider they represent such a small number of the population. 6% of the population (black males) are responsible for 60% of gun related homicides. You don't think there is a cultural problem?
Your claim that 'maybe they are murdering people to protect someone they care about'. Just wow. Talk about having your head in the sand. Do you think that gang members and drug dealers, who are responsible for the vast majority of teen involved gun violence, have regard for human life? Again, the fact that you consider rasist, these are hugely represented by black teens,
No shit it is not just the inner city kids. But we are talking numbers here. The epidemic is in the inner cities. They don't represent 100%, never claimed they did. But if you were to try and fix a problem, would you start where it isn't as much of a problem, or where it is a huge problem?
I don't expect you to answer any of these questions honestly. In fact, you will probably single out one fact and respond with a smug and incorrect retort.
Before I get to shitting all over your idiotic, racist rant, I'd like to shout out @timo0402
for being just as much of a racist ****wit as you are but without actually having the balls to espouse his true stupidity. We can see the posts you like buddy.
Anyway, I did not give false numbers. There were 48,000 deaths from guns. 31,000 being white. Nothing false here. Now, what you're suggesting is that the disproportionately high number of murders in black communities is due to culture. You are asserting that black culture is a culture of violence and hate and that my friend is called racism.
The facts are this, there is a disproportionately high amount of gun violence in black communities. Now because you're an ignorant racist who doesn't actually wish to dig any further or put forth any effort into figuring out actual causes, you assert that it is "culture" that causes. As in, black people have a violent culture and the issue is their culture needs fixing.
Now, the truth is that there isn't simply one cause to this problem. The root of it is of course that black communities by and large have never access to the same opportunities that are presented in white communities and homes, due to America's history of slavery and white supremacy that someone still survives today. And when there are less opportunities for legitimate wealth and prosperity or even simply survival, people will turn to illegitimate means. It's sad, it's a real issue and it's entirely preventable.
Back on the topic of gun violence, the other part of these deaths, suicides, are dominated by white men. 54% of all suicides are by gun, and 70% of all suicides are white men. Is white culture an issue too?
Again, incorrect. They tried a bait and switch, and even the cited chart from, you guessed it, states 0-19. You really, really are a moron. You:
- Can’t understand basic biology
- Are completely financially inept
- Now? A completely uneducated clown with firearms.
On a per capita basis, the firearm death rate among children and teens (ages 1-19) in the U.S. is over 9.5 times the firearm death rate of Canadian children and teens (ages 1-19). Canada is the country with the second-highest child and teen firearm death rate among similarly large and wealthy nations.
As might be expected, teenagers have higher firearm mortality rates than children. In the U.S., teens ages 18 and 19 have a firearm mortality rate of 25.2 per 100,000, compared to a rate of 3.7 per 100,000 for children ages 1-17 in the U.S. Even so, the child firearm mortality rate in the U.S. (3.7 per 100,000 people ages 1-17) is 5.5 times the child and teenmortality rate in Canada (0.6 per 100,000 people ages 1-19).”
They don’t even take the time to remove suicide from the data, either. So, so careless lmfao!
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Ahhh, genius, black culture (especially inner city) is more violent. A big reason is the lack of fathers in the home.
Nothing like having a poor, obtuse, white suburbanite leftist screaming “racism”…..😂😂😂
Wow. He is doubling down. I didn't figure I would get an honest attempt to answer a single issue. First off, the most racist people in the country are white liberals. Not even close.
3 Basic elements of culture are language, values and norms. If you can't see that the black culture in America is broken, you are willfully ignorant. Acknowledging culture issues is not racist. Making them up, maybe. Without fixing the culture, your gun violence numbers will never go down.
Your little sermon here is full of sensationalism and falsehoods. So I won't even acknowledge it.
Your numbers are absolutely false because you are including suicides in gun violence. You know that isn't the context of the topic. But to your question. I don't think suicide is a cultural issue as much as it is a societal issue. It's far more proportionate than the murder rate. There are also so many variables with suicide that don't exist with murders. So this is a poor attempt at a got you.
Calling me a racist? Wow. Think that’s it for our resident clown.
I guess he wasn't going to give a logical explanation as to why violence in the black community isn't a cultural issue, anyways. Bummer.
It's so amazing that you can be labeled a racist by bringing facts into a discussion. Thankfully, though. There is a growing number of people with influence in the black community that are not afraid of acknowledging culture problems and are waking up. They will eventually see that it has been the white liberals who started the destructive trends that have torn black families apart. I am seeing it in my community first hand.
He’s an angry deranged individual and he can take that shtick elsewhere. Good riddance.
