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This would be much more enjoyable if you actually understand the basics of firearms. You probably think a civilian AR is an “assault rifle”. 😂
People like Dattier are a big part of the reason…..ready to snap at any moment.
Interesting thread on topic
While there is much more we need to do to put an end to these types of tragedies...the information in the thread shows how distorted the reporting on gun crime is. Focusing on the implement and not the perpetrator distracts from where we should be placing our focus.
While there is much more we need to do to put an end to these types of tragedies...the information in the thread shows how distorted the reporting on gun crime is. Focusing on the implement and not the perpetrator distracts from where we should be placing our focus.
Gun control laws don’t work, have never worked, and never will work. Just stop
You actually found this insightful enough to share? Yikes.
You and your freaks on the left only talk about gun violence when these types of shootings occur. Never mind the fact that they only make up a fraction of gun deaths. The problem is the real gun violence that terrorizes communities across our country on a nightly basis doesn't fit your political narrative. You are not smart enough to come up with a plan to stop these shootings. But you're dumb enough to play the same political card every time one happens. Every day over 100 people in the U.S. die from gun violence. It only seems to matter to you lunatics when the killer fits a profile or uses a certain gun and the victims are in a single location. Save your phony outrage.
Me saying you're a dipshit, and stating that liberals are mentally unstable isn't saying you're the enemy.
Both comments of you and liberals are true.
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Your absolutism should be a red flag to any reasonable people who are otherwise inclined to agree with you.
The outrage used to gin up support for more useless gun control legislation that does nothing to prevent tragedies like this one. But as a liberal keep pretending that the govt can fix everything when it usually ends up breaking stuff.
I can accept that y'all get a kick out of that, but do you really think it's anything more than that?
Yes, it’s really sad. These 2 together are stumbling and mumbling idiots. Biden has never been intelligent, and now his brain has the consistency of oatmeal. But Harris? That bimbo is just plain dumb.
The ironic thing is that the left wanted to (and in some cases did) defund the police. The police failed to act and the system broke down because of their failures. Now is the perfect time to blame the police because they failed to act. If you ever wanted to yell about defunding the police, this would have been it. Instead, they revert back to regurgitating they same tired talking points, shouting at the sky while virtue signaling, and coming up with moronic logical fallacies.
Never, just plain dumb... more absolutism, no nuance, complete oversimplification, broad brush, etc. What you're exhibiting in this single post are true hallmarks of shallow intellect and thinking skills, and unfortunately, this single post isn't an anomaly. Do you even see the irony?
I can respect some of that, once I wade through the partisan stuff.
If you think Texas has defunded anything LEO... well...
Several children and both teachers were already dead by the time the police screwed up, costing more lives. The system failed way ahead of that, and the very poorly marketed calls to defund police didn't even begin on any significant level until George Floyd's murder 2 years ago this month.
One of the many (and any) things conservatives will point to to avoid addressing guns is mental health. Okay. Salvador Ramos had a reputation for aggressive, threatening behavior. What kind of counseling, therapy, or/and psychological services did he receive? What was even available to him? One mental health specialist may have saved every life the police onsite didn't. That's a big part of what "defund the police" really means.
Ah, found something on that, @denverexpat : Snopes
To wit, re: that claim that Norway's death rate from mass shootings was 21 times that of the US, that is based on a SINGLE mass shooting event that occurred in Norway during that entire time, where 77 people were killed. It's an outlier.
Ahhh, so the diffuse nature of shootings is key. The subjectivity here is golden 😂
As a nation of 330 million plus, these events are outliers. It happens too commonly, but not that commonly in the grand scheme of things. We'd rather point fingers and assign blame then come up with common sense solutions. There's no 'meet in the middle' approach among the leaders who are in position to enact such solutions because there's not a desire for common sense. The left has no interest in banning AR 15 type weapons to keep you safe. Their interest is to disarm you as a step in the direction of government rule. These shootings actually help them form the narrative of public safety.
When a two year old gets shot in the face in NYC or a 9 year old catches a stray bullet in Chicago, there's no call to action from the left to do something about gun control. Simple reason? Guns are already illegal in those places and the laws did nothing to prevent those children from being shot. When liberals talk about gun control and tougher background checks, it's just political blabber.
Dattier likes to mock the people who give thoughts and prayers because he's following the lead of his political allies. But he can't give a single logical solution for keeping guns out of the hand of madmen. I think we can all agree that it should be harder for 18 year olds to get high output weapons. But the constitution clearly states their right to bear arms. In order to ammend the laws, there would have to be trust and transparency. So here we are, one side won't give an inch because they know the other side will take a mile. And we have a stalemate.
When a two year old gets shot in the face in NYC or a 9 year old catches a stray bullet in Chicago, there's no call to action from the left to do something about gun control. Simple reason? Guns are already illegal in those places and the laws did nothing to prevent those children from being shot. When liberals talk about gun control and tougher background checks, it's just political blabber.
Dattier likes to mock the people who give thoughts and prayers because he's following the lead of his political allies. But he can't give a single logical solution for keeping guns out of the hand of madmen. I think we can all agree that it should be harder for 18 year olds to get high output weapons. But the constitution clearly states their right to bear arms. In order to ammend the laws, there would have to be trust and transparency. So here we are, one side won't give an inch because they know the other side will take a mile. And we have a stalemate.
Not much to say in the face of this kind of psychosis. Nuh-uh?
What inch has the right been willing to give?
While shaking fist in the air...BAN ALL GUNS!
(pay no attention to this match that is going to set the black market on fire with gun sales)
(pay no attention to this match that is going to set the black market on fire with gun sales)
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Did I give the right any credit for giving an inch? I specifically said they refuse to give an inch.
What logical solution do you have to offer?
@Dattier has no solutions to offer. He proved it when the subject of our incompetent leaders (Biden/Harris) were brought up. He will go down with the sinking ship before admitting his side is ever wrong.
It’s the same old tired act by his side. Avoid the issue by discrediting the messenger.
It’s the same old tired act by his side. Avoid the issue by discrediting the messenger.
Says the guy claiming everyone on the other side is an idiot and brainwashed and that the entire ideology of the other side is entirely evil.
Well. Not everyone on the other side. But with radicals like you, I think Mac has a point. You are clearly an idiot on gun rights. And you have a pretty evil and warped view on abortion. And you spew a lot of nonsense that can easily be argued to be due to being brainwashed. Today's liberal ideology is so twisted, it is almost satire. Which is funny, because you claimed earlier that your posts were satire.Says the guy claiming everyone on the other side is an idiot and brainwashed and that the entire ideology of the other side is entirely evil.
He's also right about you avoiding the actual topic. Someone can give 5 examples of something that goes against your belief system. You find a single flaw in one of the 5 examples and harp on that while ignoring the rest. You can be 20% correct in your arguments, but demand that everyone else be 100% correct in their's.
An example is your response to my post earlier. You chose a portion of my comment to repond to. In an odd way, btw. And in your response, you falsely insinuated that I claimed that the right gave an inch. Even though I clearly said that they won't give an inch. You also refuse to share what you think would be a logical solution to these types of shootings. We all know why. You don't have one. You just want to put all the blame on the right for not giving into the movement to challenge the 2nd amendment. You won't comment on the gun violence that occurs in democrat run cities on a nightly basis where guns are outlawed. Even though they make up the overwhelming majority of gun violence in our country. You won't acknowledge that these types of shootings make up less than 3% of gun deaths in the United States. More people die from hammers than AR 15s. You're just a political sheep with no ability to think independently objective. You mock thoughts and prayers. But thoughts and prayers are a lot more than what you offer.
The same people harping for gun control incessantly are usually the same people who refuse to secure the border where drugs and guns come over in the first place. They refuse to provide police adequate resources to protect our most vulnerable citizens from gun violence. These people are frauds.
Y'all are frequently guilty of the Gish gallop fallacy, and when there are several of you doing it at any given time, I'm not going to waste my time on a wild goose chase responding to every so-called point.
I did not insinuate -- falsely or otherwise -- that you said the right would give an inch. If you said exactly the opposite, I missed it in the morass.
You don't demonstrate any understanding of abortion or my stance on it. Where to begin? Right there. Where to end? After one example: Pregnant people seeking abortions in the third trimester -- at which point a healthy fetus could overcome the complications of premature delivery -- WANT a baby. They are seeking an abortion because something has gone horribly wrong and terminating the pregnancy is the safest, most humane option. The right acts as if there is some evil joy they get out of aborting, and the later the better.
The solution to our mass shooting epidemic begins with bans on military-grade weapons, universal background checks, full registration, waiting periods, magazine limitations, certification & training classes, frequent mental health check-ups, streamlined "restraining orders" temporarily but indefinitely removing a person's weapons, manufacturer liability, strict storage requirements, First Amendment restrictions while open-carrying, full funding for reinforcement, an any number of other things the right won't budge an inch on.
The gun crime in "Democrat-run" cities is a red herring only the right thinks is relevant at all. Poverty in high-density populations leads to higher crime rates. Fix that. That's not a gun problem; that's a poverty problem. Those cities are "Democrat-run" b/c Democrats at least express empathy for the circumstances and give lip service to social programs. All the GOP does is talk about getting tough on crime, which people who are actually IN cities know doesn't fix anything -- it just locks more people up and tears more families apart. But rural constituents eat that "tough on crime" junk up as the cure-all for somewhere they don't live or understand, so the right sticks with that message.
Thoughts and prayers w/o any action is idolatry. I mock idolatry.
Prediction, w/ the understanding that stating a prediction can create the motivation to avoid the prediction: Most of these UNTRIED measures I've suggested will be trashed as unviable sight unseen; y'all will nitpick and microfocus, counter w/ isolated anecdotal examples, & cite empty conservative talking points like sheep. There will probably be multiple people piling on w/o any sign of considering any of those measures. There won't be the slightest acknowledgement of anything to even work with, anything to start with. I'll get called a sheep, idiot, & extremist some more. And then I'll think "What a waste of time that was" and go back to not bothering, and a few months down the road, you'll accuse me of never offering any solutions or answering any questions again.
I stopped reading when she said pregnant “people”
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Ignoring your first paragraph.
I don't demonstrate any understanding of abortion, because I don't typically discuss the topic. I empathize with the tough choices that pregnant women have to make when it is a decision that affects their health. But these types of abortions make up a small fraction of abortions. As far as your stance? I don't really disagree when it is the issue discussed above. But your post talking about thoughts and prayers for "actual living children" demonstrates and evil and twisted view on abortions. Let's not pretend that that was simply satire.
As far as your solutions. I agree with some to an extent. The waiting periods, mental health evaluations, ect ect. What defines military grade? When has a military grade weapon been used in a mass shooting? Vegas maybe? Sure, let's ban those from the civilian population. I'm not following the firat ammendment part though.
The gun crime in those cities is very relevant to the discussion of gun control. The only reason you say it isn't, because it perfectly illustrates the uselessness of outlawing guns. And what a convenient way of brushing the problem off by blaming it on poverty. We're not talking about people stealing bread here, Mrs A.O.C. We're talking about brazen criminals who have zero value for human life. They're not victims of poverty. They are degenerates fighting over territory and drug money. If it is not a gun problem when a drug dealer uses a gun to kill people, then it isn't a gun problem when a messed up teenager with social issues uses a gun to kill people. That makes sense, right? It further proves my point that the left only cares about gun violence when the killer fits a narrative and uses a type of gun. And I will just ignore the empathy part because that's hogwash.
Either way, I agree with some of your points. But others are not very reasonable. Kind of the looks good on paper type deal. It's certainly a better look for you to lay it out whether people agree with you or not than to just snootily say 'thoughts and prays'.
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
– Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
