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[GhostOf301]

We are witnessing the fall of our country in so many ways and no one cares. Empty store shelves, understaffed businesses, hospitals and police departments. Rising crime and drug overdoses and an ever increasing crisis at the border. And there is literally zero call for better leadership from either party. The republicans who are sitting on their hands while this is taking place are just as responsible as the terrible liberal policies that are leading to this fall. How long will this be allowed to happen?



How many are vaccinated or sophisticated?

 

[Mac9192]

The liberals here are a pathetic bunch. There’s no need to sugarcoat it. Puny, and pathetic.
Their (blind) refusal to see what has happened since the old dementia crook has taken office is as bad as what is actually happening.

 

[timo0402]

 

[GhostOf301]

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We have a good friend who is a nurse. She said that most of the nursing staff quit because of the mandatory vaccine. There are two nurses for the entire covid floor at our main hospital and 1 in the maternity ward. Maybe some of these Haitians who are effortlessly walking across the border will fill the positions since they're probably vaccinated and all.

 

[smashmouth5]

Need to find more sophisticated nurses.

 

[denverexpat]

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I read that around 40% of health workers are not taking the vaccine...thats concerning as they are informed and around covid every day in most cases. It would be interesting to find out the root cause of their hesitancy

 

[timo0402]

I read that around 40% of health workers are not taking the vaccine...thats concerning as they are informed and around covid every day in most cases. It would be interesting to find out the root cause of their hesitancy

I’ve spoken to a few different physicians of different backgrounds and they have told me that one of the reasons is that they made a mistake rolling out the vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, which they say leads to more potent variants, rather than just letting natural immunity take its course. It’s above my pay grade there but that’s what I’ve heard.

 

[denverexpat]

I’ve spoken to a few different physicians of different backgrounds and they have told me that one of the reasons is that they made a mistake rolling out the vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, which they say leads to more potent variants, rather than just letting natural immunity take its course. It’s above my pay grade there but that’s what I’ve heard.

It seems that its not really a vaccine, more of a theraputic that lessens the effects of infection.....true vaccines elininate the infection. But we are not allowed to debate that.

 

[KDSTONE]

I’ve spoken to a few different physicians of different backgrounds and they have told me that one of the reasons is that they made a mistake rolling out the vaccine in the middle of a pandemic, which they say leads to more potent variants, rather than just letting natural immunity take its course. It’s above my pay grade there but that’s what I’ve heard.

Sadly many physicians don’t appear to know much about epidemiology or virology. Either they didn’t learn much in the first place or have forgotten what they did learn. It’s somewhat akin to a non lawyer discussing the constitution with an attorney. While the lawyer technically has more training, that doesn’t mean they can’t let politics and personal beliefs lead them down rabbit holes of idiocy

 

[KDSTONE]

It seems that its not really a vaccine, more of a theraputic that lessens the effects of infection.....true vaccines elininate the infection. But we are not allowed to debate that.

Correct. My cat has had her leukemia vaccine and if she went on to contract it anyway, you can bet the vet and I would be having a conversation. Yet, when it comes to human beings and our own bodies we’re just supposed to say “baah” like a good little sheep.

 

[timo0402]

Sadly many physicians don’t appear to know much about epidemiology or virology. Either they didn’t learn much in the first place or have forgotten what they did learn. It’s somewhat akin to a non lawyer discussing the constitution with an attorney. While the lawyer technically has more training, that doesn’t mean they can’t let politics and personal beliefs lead them down rabbit holes of idiocy

That’s correct and the many I spoke with all said they aren’t experts in epidemiology. So when people say “medical experts,” you have to understand where they are coming from.

 

[denverexpat]

irony

AOC’s ‘Tax the Rich’ dress designer accused of owing thousands in unpaid taxes

Aurora James’s company has allegedly been hit with multiple tax warrants

www.independent.co.uk

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

It seems that its not really a vaccine, more of a theraputic that lessens the effects of infection.....true vaccines elininate the infection. But we are not allowed to debate that.

True, in order to be 100%, which in sense would then be a cure it needs to create what is called "sterilizing immunity" which prevents any cells from getting infected...is the flu vaccine not considered a true vaccine as well?

 

[timo0402]

True, in order to be 100%, which in sense would then be a cure it needs to create what is called "sterilizing immunity" which prevents any cells from getting infected...is the flu vaccine not considered a true vaccine as well?

That’s not what they’re saying actually. They’re saying that introducing a vaccine in the middle of pandemic makes things worse. A flu “vaccine” is 35-60% effective.

So my thought on the vaccines is that they seem to be effective in making cases that are contracted less severe. But that’s based on data not on any scientific aspect, which is above my pay grade. But after talking to many docs, again not epidemiologists, but doctors, they seem to think that was a bad move.

 

[Dattier]

What did he do (policy wise) that you didn’t like?

Try real hard to remove your feelings out of the way. I know it’s tough, but do at least try.

You weren't a big fan of school choice, opportunity zones, prison reform and peace deals in the ME?

Actually, prison reform and Rx prices are two areas where I think President Trump did a good job.
"School choice" is code for "re-segregate." I won't engage people who know next to nothing about public school further.

I didn't like... the wall, his court appointees, the anti-LGBTQ+ policies, tax cuts for the rich, refusal to protect DACA, inhumane immigration practices, inadequate response to COVID, rolled back environmental protections, bad for workers' rights, Tax Cuts & Jobs Act, undermined free press, undermined trust in numerous sound institutions, appointed corrupt & incompetent Cabinet members, tried to overturn fair elections, deserved BOTH impeachments for EXACTLY what Democrats said, pandered to racists, pandered to evangelical fascists, violated emoluments law, rolled back loan forgiveness, made it harder to get Food Stamps (you know, for FOOD), created loopholes to avoid overtime pay, corporate agriculture subsidies, rolled back sexual harassment protections, damaged abortion rights...

Several of those could be broken down into 10+ separate things that are terrible enough to warrant individual mention, but it's a waste of time when I'm talking to people who support every last one of them.

And that's without getting into all the things y'all want to trivialize and lump together as just "mean." He lied more than any President in U.S. history. He was more divisive than any President since that guy who finally ended slavery (but President Trump would've been on the other side). Speaking of which, he's R-A-C-I-S-T aml. He embarrassed us internationally. He isn't even a decent human being.

While my position on President Clinton's impeachment has softened over the years, I was never in the camp that dismissed his affair as unrelated to job performance. As a public figure, Presidents' demeanors and private lives have a huge impact on national morale. President Clinton's personal failings undermined national morale. Despite being one of the best human beings ever to hold the office, President Carter's inability to end either the economic recession or the Iran Hostage situation undermined national morale. Despite all the absolutely horrible things President Reagan did, he was a public relations genius and that is part of the job. President Trump did practically everything wrong in that regard in the eyes of everyone except his belligerent, blood-thirsty, maniacal, desperate base.

Now... tell me anything he did wrong, in your opinion, wrt policy.

 

[KDSTONE]

Actually, prison reform and Rx prices are two areas where I think President Trump did a good job.
"School choice" is code for "re-segregate." I won't engage people who know next to nothing about public school further.

I didn't like... the wall, his court appointees, the anti-LGBTQ+ policies, tax cuts for the rich, refusal to protect DACA, inhumane immigration practices, inadequate response to COVID, rolled back environmental protections, bad for workers' rights, Tax Cuts & Jobs Act, undermined free press, undermined trust in numerous sound institutions, appointed corrupt & incompetent Cabinet members, tried to overturn fair elections, deserved BOTH impeachments for EXACTLY what Democrats said, pandered to racists, pandered to evangelical fascists, violated emoluments law, rolled back loan forgiveness, made it harder to get Food Stamps (you know, for FOOD), created loopholes to avoid overtime pay, corporate agriculture subsidies, rolled back sexual harassment protections, damaged abortion rights...

Several of those could be broken down into 10+ separate things that are terrible enough to warrant individual mention, but it's a waste of time when I'm talking to people who support every last one of them.

And that's without getting into all the things y'all want to trivialize and lump together as just "mean." He lied more than any President in U.S. history. He was more divisive than any President since that guy who finally ended slavery (but President Trump would've been on the other side). Speaking of which, he's R-A-C-I-S-T aml. He embarrassed us internationally. He isn't even a decent human being.

While my position on President Clinton's impeachment has softened over the years, I was never in the camp that dismissed his affair as unrelated to job performance. As a public figure, Presidents' demeanors and private lives have a huge impact on national morale. President Clinton's personal failings undermined national morale. Despite being one of the best human beings ever to hold the office, President Carter's inability to end either the economic recession or the Iran Hostage situation undermined national morale. Despite all the absolutely horrible things President Reagan did, he was a public relations genius and that is part of the job. President Trump did practically everything wrong in that regard in the eyes of everyone except his belligerent, blood-thirsty, maniacal, desperate base.

Now... tell me anything he did wrong, in your opinion, wrt policy.

Mac Ghost or topps I’ll let you respond to this fool. I don’t have the time or patience to deal with this troll on a Monday

 

[GhostOf301]

I won't engage people who know next to nothing about public school further.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

That’s not what they’re saying actually. They’re saying that introducing a vaccine in the middle of pandemic makes things worse. A flu “vaccine” is 35-60% effective.

So my thought on the vaccines is that they seem to be effective in making cases that are contracted less severe. But that’s based on data not on any scientific aspect, which is above my pay grade. But after talking to many docs, again not epidemiologists, but doctors, they seem to think that was a bad move.

a vaccine that is 94-96% effective ...bad move?...hospitals are full of way more unvaxxed people as opposed to vaxxed right?

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

that was funny ghost...lol

 

[GhostOf301]

Mac Ghost or topps I’ll let you respond to this fool. I don’t have the time or patience to deal with this troll on a Monday

What? You don't want to respond to someone's sensationalized opinions presented as facts? You don't want to give examples of Trump's policies that you don't like to a coward who refuses to respond to the terrible and embarrassing administration we have now and the shit that is happening NOW in our country? To someone who defends, excuses or rationalizes every terrible democratic policy because they can't for a second, veer off the chosen path that the liberals have paved?

 

[topps coach]

Mac Ghost or topps I’ll let you respond to this fool. I don’t have the time or patience to deal with this troll on a Monday

Hate to quote Biden but the only thing you can say is that you wish it were still High School days where you could take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him

 

[Dattier]

What? You don't want to respond to someone's sensationalized opinions presented as facts? You don't want to give examples of Trump's policies that you don't like to a coward who refuses to respond to the terrible and embarrassing administration we have now and the shit that is happening NOW in our country? To someone who defends, excuses or rationalizes every terrible democratic policy because they can't for a second, veer off the chosen path that the liberals have paved?

Your pants are on fire. I have not defended, excused, or rationalized much Democratic policy at all here.

Citing TWO examples of things President Trump did well is further evidence you’re a liar about my not veering from some imaginary liberal path you made up so you could pretend it was dumb enough you could handle it. It’s also TWO examples of how far ahead of you I am. Here’s another, you immature, childish, childless POF: How do I consistently refer to the 45th POTUS? Can you identify a single instance of my calling him by any other name? How about you? You don’t have the maturity or decency to avoid childish nicknames, but you think you can hang in any type of intellectual discussion. Lol

 

[Dattier]

Anyone care to dismiss the two things I cited that President Trump did well because they’re my “opinion”? No? How about inherently qualifying EVERY assessment you make of political decisions as your own opinion? No again? Then you’re hypocritical to dismiss answers to questions y’all asked because they’re opinions. When it comes to politics, analysis of whether something is good or bad is inherently opinion.

 

[Mac9192]

At least Datt gave 2 examples of things Trump did that he liked. He made a little effort. So I’m not going to bust his chops. A lot of people didn’t like the way Trump spoke, and it blinded them to the point of hatred. You know feelings over facts.

Let’s move along to the current administration. There’s nothing in my opinion that says this President knows the difference between a sneeze and a wet fart.
I want to hear Biden’s good points.

 

[GhostOf301]

Your pants are on fire. I have not defended, excused, or rationalized much Democratic policy at all here.

Citing TWO examples of things President Trump did well is further evidence you’re a liar about my not veering from some imaginary liberal path you made up so you could pretend it was dumb enough you could handle it. It’s also TWO examples of how far ahead of you I am. Here’s another, you immature, childish, childless POF: How do I consistently refer to the 45th POTUS? Can you identify a single instance of my calling him by any other name? How about you? You don’t have the maturity or decency to avoid childish nicknames, but you think you can hang in any type of intellectual discussion. Lol

^^^ This is someone who is responsible for educating impressionable youth. Calls me insulting names. What does POF mean? Then proceeds to whine about nicknames and comments on my maturity and decency.

You have constantly excused this administration. You have defended them by posting crap links to opinion based nonsense about the good this administration has done, including the handling of the pandemic. What a disastrous failure that has been. And you rationalize stupid policies that do more harm to the poor than good. Not to mention your excuses about how Biden has handled Afghanistan.

 

[GhostOf301]

Anyone care to dismiss the two things I cited that President Trump did well because they’re my “opinion”? No? How about inherently qualifying EVERY assessment you make of political decisions as your own opinion? No again? Then you’re hypocritical to dismiss answers to questions y’all asked because they’re opinions. When it comes to politics, analysis of whether something is good or bad is inherently opinion.

I dismissed your questions because, one: I have criticized things I didn't like about Trump many times already. Two: you haven't earned an answer to your question because you have constantly dismissed questions about the current administration. And doing so in a condescending way. Being called a hypocrite by you means as much as a skunk telling me I smell bad.

 

[Dattier]

I dismissed your questions because, one: I have criticized things I didn't like about Trump many times already. Two: you haven't earned an answer to your question because you have constantly dismissed questions about the current administration. And doing so in a condescending way. Being called a hypocrite by you means as much as a skunk telling me I smell bad.

All I recall you saying against President Trump had to do with things you then trivialize as “mean.”

I’ve answered questions asking what President Biden has done that was good and had my answers dismissed as opinion and because y’all disagreed. All I have said in his defense regarding Afghanistan is that he inherited a messed-up situation and that it’s more complicated than the simple, absolutist claims y’all make.

President Biden is not liberal or progressive. Stop asking liberals and progressives to defend him. Y’all were fond of the disclaimer that President Trump wasn’t your first choice, or that you didn’t like him personally, but that you agreed with his policies, or that he was better than Secretary Clinton. Well, President Biden wasn’t my first, second, or third choice, but he was better than the alternative.

 

[Dattier]

The thing about hypocrisy, @GhostOf301 , is that when I call someone hypocritical, I painstakingly spell it out. I don’t just throw it around like, well, YOU.
Next time your tailor comes up to you and sneaks a finger up your bum while you’re in line at McDonald’s, come back and criticize my job performance based on my demeanor here.

 

[KDSTONE]

All I recall you saying against President Trump had to do with things you then trivialize as “mean.”

I’ve answered questions asking what President Biden has done that was good and had my answers dismissed as opinion and because y’all disagreed. All I have said in his defense regarding Afghanistan is that he inherited a messed-up situation and that it’s more complicated than the simple, absolutist claims y’all make.

President Biden is not liberal or progressive. Stop asking liberals and progressives to defend him. Y’all were fond of the disclaimer that President Trump wasn’t your first choice, or that you didn’t like him personally, but that you agreed with his policies, or that he was better than Secretary Clinton. Well, President Biden wasn’t my first, second, or third choice, but he was better than the alternative.

Pres Biden is neither liberal or progressive? He is on record saying that his admin would be the most progressive in history. You like to throw out a couple things you think Trump did well as proof somehow that you can be an impartial, rational human being. If only you had stopped there. As for the wall, it is gaining more and more support across party lines. Most Americans who aren’t obsessed with turning Texas blue realize that the current numbers are unsustainable as it relates to entitlement programs, jail capacity, and public school enrollment Simply unsustainable

 

[GhostOf301]

President Biden is not liberal or progressive. Stop asking liberals and progressives to defend him.

I am not asking you or anyone to defend him. Quite the opposite. I just want an ounce of the criticism of him that you demanded from us over the previous four years. But it's not there. Everything that is happening now from empty grocery store shelves to high prices on needs such as gas, food, retail and about everything else. To the employment crisis not only not being addressed, but enhanced by unnecessary government overreach with the mandatory vaccine for select businesses and industries. To the out of control crisis at the border that is constantly ignored by the same people who were screaming to the sky about it 3 years ago. You guys avoid that at all costs and when pressed you revert to the, but but but what about Trump?

Difference in y'all's bitching about Trump and our bitching about Biden is yours was about fake and sensationalized falsehoods driven by the true divisive side, the left and their right hand propaganda man in the msm. What we're bitching about actually effects real lives.

 

[KDSTONE]

^^^ This is someone who is responsible for educating impressionable youth. Calls me insulting names. What does POF mean? Then proceeds to whine about nicknames and comments on my maturity and decency.

You have constantly excused this administration. You have defended them by posting crap links to opinion based nonsense about the good this administration has done, including the handling of the pandemic. What a disastrous failure that has been. And you rationalize stupid policies that do more harm to the poor than good. Not to mention your excuses about how Biden has handled Afghanistan.

Johnny did you learn anything in school today? Not really my teacher was typing something on his phone all day👏

 

[GhostOf301]

The thing about hypocrisy, @GhostOf301 , is that when I call someone hypocritical, I painstakingly spell it out. I don’t just throw it around like, we’ll, YOU.
Next time your tailor comes up to you and sneaks a finger up your bum while you’re in line at McDonald’s, come back and criticize my job performance based on my demeanor here.

For someone with so many words in their arsenal, you can't read where I point out your hypocrisy.

 

[Dattier]

I am not asking you or anyone to defend him. Quite the opposite. I just want an ounce of the criticism of him that you demanded from us over the previous four years. But it's not there. Everything that is happening now from empty grocery store shelves to high prices on needs such as gas, food, retail and about everything else. To the employment crisis not only not being addressed, but enhanced by unnecessary government overreach with the mandatory vaccine for select businesses and industries. To the out of control crisis at the border that is constantly ignored by the same people who were screaming to the sky about it 3 years ago. You guys avoid that at all costs and when pressed you revert to the, but but but what about Trump?

Difference in y'all's bitching about Trump and our bitching about Biden is yours was about fake and sensationalized falsehoods driven by the true divisive side, the left and their right hand propaganda man in the msm. What we're bitching about actually effects real lives.

Oh, so not defending him is okay now? Why should I GAML about giving you an inch when you give none yourself? You already claim that in less than a year, despite the conditions he inherited, President Biden is already the absolute choice for worst ever. You take the most absolute stances, but claim *my* side is the divisive one. 🙄

 

[Mac9192]

Oh, so not defending him is okay now? Why should I GAML about giving you an inch when you give none yourself? You already claim that in less than a year, despite the conditions he inherited, President Biden is already the absolute choice for worst ever. You take the most absolute stances, but claim *my* side is the divisive one. 🙄

How can you see what’s happened in a short time and think it’s been good? Take politics out of it. Try it.

 

[timo0402]

a vaccine that is 94-96% effective ...bad move?...hospitals are full of way more unvaxxed people as opposed to vaxxed right?

If these vaccines were as effective as they said, we wouldn’t be having as many vaccinated people testing positive. We wouldn’t be needing a booster already and we wouldn’t have cases at near all time highs. So I go back to what the physicians were saying that it’s a bad move to introduce a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic. I had not thought about that before, but it makes sense now, as mutations are through the roof, allegedly due to the introduction of a vaccine in the middle of the pandemic, instead of letting it die out naturally. I’m not an epidemiologist but it makes sense to me.

 

[GhostOf301]

Oh, so not defending him is okay now? Why should I GAML about giving you an inch when you give none yourself? You already claim that in less than a year, despite the conditions he inherited, President Biden is already the absolute choice for worst ever. You take the most absolute stances, but claim *my* side is the divisive one. 🙄

I have said multiple times now that it is too early to say he is the worst president ever. What I have said is the he is the most inept and the least transparent (to this point). Is this where I go your route and say liar liar pants on fire? Lol. Still avoiding the real life things that this administration is screwing up.

 

[Mac9192]

This one here is RICH. Libs everywhere have to be saying “No we didn’t.”

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

We are witnessing the fall of our country in so many ways and no one cares. Empty store shelves, understaffed businesses, hospitals and police departments. Rising crime and drug overdoses and an ever increasing crisis at the border. And there is literally zero call for better leadership from either party. The republicans who are sitting on their hands while this is taking place are just as responsible as the terrible liberal policies that are leading to this fall. How long will this be allowed to happen?

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How many are vaccinated or sophisticated?

that's people coming over from Haiti isn't it....saw that this morning

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

If these vaccines were as effective as they said, we wouldn’t be having as many vaccinated people testing positive. We wouldn’t be needing a booster already and we wouldn’t have cases at near all time highs. So I go back to what the physicians were saying that it’s a bad move to introduce a vaccine in the middle of a pandemic. I had not thought about that before, but it makes sense now, as mutations are through the roof, allegedly due to the introduction of a vaccine in the middle of the pandemic, instead of letting it die out naturally. I’m not an epidemiologist but it makes sense to me.

timo, everything i see and read and my local hospital as a barometer is that vaccinated people in the hospital w/ serious illness, vents, and deaths is microscopic compared to the unvaxxed that aren't so lucky...???

 

[timo0402]

timo, everything i see and read and my local hospital as a barometer is that vaccinated people in the hospital w/ serious illness, vents, and deaths is microscopic compared to the unvaxxed that aren't so lucky...???

Right and we’ve read a lot of reports that suggest that how they’re reporting on hospitalizations may not reflect the actual true reasons why someone is hospitalized. I think that’s why there is so much mistrust with not only the vaccines but also with the handling and reporting of this virus. So like I said, data does suggest that a vaccinated person will more likely experience less severity, but we still have to look into all factors and variables. It’s just not as cut and dry as some want you to believe.