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Some of us have been critical of him at times (anyone that did including myself was dead wrong) I keep seeing people say “he was born on third base” that didn’t help ANYONE that has ever followed “the man” all these same folks said Duke would fall off when K retired.. guess what.. we’re in a final four in year 3, went to the elite eight in year 2. We have owned our rival, won the ACC tourney twice, regular season once. Jon is currently tied for the most wins in the first 3 years of a career (I believe he’ll pass it by 2 and win the natty) it’s clear K made the right call with his retirement announcement and choosing Jon. Has to scare the rest of the nation to have a 37 yr old in this position

Let’s go duke!
 
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His game day prep has been insane and probably the most underrated part of his coaching that nobody outside of Duke will notice.

His rotations/sub patterns have been phenomenal all year and we are out of the 7/8 man rotations. He had the balls to start Sion over CFOS.

He is really good with his timeouts. Called a few this year when we almost got a backcourt. Called that one yesterday when Bama found something. Jon wasn’t having it and immediately switched in Maliq for Pat.

And damn we are running beautiful offense this year. I think that was the slight knock the first two years was ball movement with a slower tempo. And this two man game with KK/Coop/Rese with Mal….beautiful to watch.
 
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I agree with all that has been said above. I’ll confess I thought his offensive scheming was weak, but he stuck to his guns and was able to get the team behind him. Now they call their own plays and can adapt on the fly. Probably the most growth I’ve ever seen in a Duke team over the course of a season, going back to 1971.

It’s pretty clear his players love him as well. I’m feeling really good about the future of the program under his leadership.

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First off, Coach K is a genius! The man just gave the university he loves so much the greatest parting gift: Jon MF'ing Scheyer!

I never understood the criticism of Jon. The man had to get his feet under him having never been a coach before. He had to find his own way and look how quickly he's done that. Jon was always the right choice and K knew it. The 2nd part of that is there probably isn't more than 2 days that go by that Jon and K don't talk. Jon having K as a sounding board and continued mentor is an unbelievable asset.
K allowing Jon to be his own man and his own coach is a testament to how much trust and love they have for each other.

Now there's unfinished business in San Antonio!!

LET'S GO DUKE!!!
DDMF!!!
 
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pisgah101 said:
Some of us have been critical of him at times (anyone that did including myself was dead wrong) I keep seeing people say “he was born on third base” that didn’t help ANYONE that has ever followed “the man” all these same folks said Duke would fall off when K retired.. guess what.. we’re in a final four in year 3, went to the elite eight in year 2. We have owned our rival, won the ACC tourney twice, regular season once. Jon is currently tied for the most wins in the first 3 years of a career (I believe he’ll pass it by 2 and win the natty) it’s clear K made the right call with his retirement announcement and choosing Jon. Has to scare the rest of the nation to have a 37 yr old in this position

Let’s go duke!
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Pretty amazing. Tied for most wins the first three seasons for a head coach at 89.

-2022/23, 27-9, ACC Champs, 🏆, tough round of 32 loss to Rick “foul em for 40 mins, the refs won’t call them all” Barnes. Very good first season!

-2023/24, 27-9, fair to say a disappointing regular season vs expectations of who came back and didn’t win anything in the ACC but was 20 minutes from the Final Four and after taking out top seed Houston, I was convinced they would beat NCSU,. “Good but just not good enough” was kind of the story of that team.

-2024/25, 35-3 so far, ACC RS & Tourney Champs 🏆🏆, and the fourth Duke Coach to reach the Final Four 🏆 with hopefully more games to play.


Duke hangs a conference banner in two of Jon’s first three seasons and is now in the Final Four. No Duke coach has ever started off this hot three seasons in. Not even the great Vic Bubas who did win the ACC Tournament in his first season in 1959/60 and won two games in the NCAA’s. Bubas went 22-6 in year two (3rd in league) and 20-5 in year three and finished 2nd in the league but you had to win the ACC tournament back then to go to the NCAA’s and Wake those two years was just a little bit better. Vic’s 1962/63 and 1963/64 Final Four teams owned the ACC. (4th and 5th year into his tenure)

Jon is without a doubt the right man for Duke and guys seem to love to play for him. A different approach than K, which is fine. Every Coach has to make it their own and put their own stamp on it.
 
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You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken sh%#, so being at Duke helps. Jon is one smart guy though. His halftime adjustments prove that, and he had the team so prepared for Alabama.

He also understands the climate we are in, and has adapted to it.

I’m in no way calling last season a failure, because it wasn’t. But he knew he had to have a different roster. One that was built to be a Final Four caliber team. This proves he’s not afraid to make some tough decisions.
 
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I think it is ok to be a critic of some of his adjustments during games. He is in year 3 of a 40-year contract. Yes, I said 40 years. Jon will be here for a while. We were all critical of K at times during his tenure. I think it is ok to be critical of him but I don't think I have ever read a post here that he was bashed. Just think...in 5 years Jon will have more Nattys than Dean. Take it to the bank.
 
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I (like most) were a bit worried about Jon's passive demeanor during games, I remember in year 1 when we got robbed at UVA (Flip got fouled before the buzzer) and Jon didn't go crazy at the refs. K would have had a field day. Jon's offensive sets and playcalls were also questionable, even this year, remember in early December when we scored 28 points in the first half against Incarnate Wood? What about scoring 68 total against George Mason? Not to mention the end of game "clear out and let Cooper do it all" play calls against UK and Kansas.

Regardless...Duke obviously made the right hire. The Nov/Dec growing pains were worth it to get to the monster that we currently are. Offensively and defensively, seems like Jon is playing chess while other coaches are playing checkers.
 
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I think it is ok to be a critic of some of his adjustments during games. He is in year 3 of a 40-year contract. Yes, I said 40 years. Jon will be here for a while. We were all critical of K at times during his tenure. I think it is ok to be critical of him but I don't think I have ever read a post here that he was bashed. Just think...in 5 years Jon will have more Nattys than Dean. Take it to the bank.
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I agree with all of this. If he wins it this year he has a significant head start on what will be a historic career
 
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I am a huge fan of Scheyer. And was surprised, but open to the idea of him being Duke's next coach. This year aside, in both of his first two seasons, the team was better in February than they were in December. Pro and con type years. The pros were better than the cons despite what the haters will say. So to me, with that in mind, I feel like that will lead to more confidence. And this year shows that. We don't know if Duke will play their last game on Saturday or Monday. But damn I want them to win and Scheyer to have this achievement in only 3 years. I don't want him to be the guy who is always chasing it.
 
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I agree with all of this. If he wins it this year he has a significant head start on what will be a historic career
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I agree he’ll have a great career, but 3 wins in 5 years is a tall order. Wooden is the only coach to have done that. I’m not sure how Rupp’s were spread out.
We’d all be ecstatic, but in theory winning 3 in 5 years would have been easier when your best players stayed at least three yrs e. g. 9192. Uf 06-07. Coaches practically have to build a roster from scratch each year. Even if you’re UNC and you don’t have much NBA talent you have to fight off poachers like with Cadeau although they may have told him not to let the door hit ya
I’d be thrilled if Duke wins two titles in the next decade honestly. After 86 and 90 I’d have never believed that 6 or 7 NC’s was remotely possible
 
Things look great now but I am old enough to know things can turn in a hurry. 10 years since a title. Win 2 more and we are back on top of the mountain. The years between 94 and 99 seemed like an eternity. But this has been a great ride this year
 
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pisgah101 said:
Some of us have been critical of him at times (anyone that did including myself was dead wrong) I keep seeing people say “he was born on third base” that didn’t help ANYONE that has ever followed “the man” all these same folks said Duke would fall off when K retired.. guess what.. we’re in a final four in year 3, went to the elite eight in year 2. We have owned our rival, won the ACC tourney twice, regular season once. Jon is currently tied for the most wins in the first 3 years of a career (I believe he’ll pass it by 2 and win the natty) it’s clear K made the right call with his retirement announcement and choosing Jon. Has to scare the rest of the nation to have a 37 yr old in this position

Let’s go duke!
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The ACC was the weakest in the last 25 years. Kentucky beat Duke on a neutral floor and they finished 6th in the SEC. Duke was good, but they definitely were not the best team in the country.
I do think Scheyer is a good coach, but then again he had the best talent in the country.
 
Jon will learn from this, still a great coach and perfect for Duke moving forward. I just feel for the players due to their only shot. Still can’t believe how that one ended, 9 points with 2 minutes left, 6 points with 30 seconds left. Just didn’t make the winning plays down the stretch. Even with the few bad calls that was a game Duke should’ve won.
 
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I’ve been reading all the negative posts about Jon on several different sites. It’s amazing how opinions can change in only a few days. He goes from being the perfect choice for the job to he wasn’t ready for the job. I still think he’s going to win several championships in his career. He values defense and seems to relate really well to this generation of players. I think he’s using a lot of K’s philosophies and is slowly adding his own. He played some zone in several games this season to disrupt the offensive flow of our opponents. I can’t count the number of times I wanted Coach K to switch things up. We know he knows how to construct a team. I think he has a winning formula now, it’s going to be interesting to see how next year’s team is constructed. I know we’re all down after the way we lost the game, but I trust that Jon will learn from this and he won’t let it happen again. I still think we’re lucky to have him as our coach.
 
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I’ve been reading all the negative posts about Jon on several different sites. It’s amazing how opinions can change in only a few days. He goes from being the perfect choice for the job to he wasn’t ready for the job. I still think he’s going to win several championships in his career. He values defense and seems to relate really well to this generation of players. I think he’s using a lot of K’s philosophies and is slowly adding his own. He played some zone in several games this season to disrupt the offensive flow of our opponents. I can’t count the number of times I wanted Coach K to switch things up. We know he knows how to construct a team. I think he has a winning formula now, it’s going to be interesting to see how next year’s team is constructed. I know we’re all down after the way we lost the game, but I trust that Jon will learn from this and he won’t let it happen again. I still think we’re lucky to have him as our coach.
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This. Amazing post.
 
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dukesince91 said:
I’ve been reading all the negative posts about Jon on several different sites. It’s amazing how opinions can change in only a few days. He goes from being the perfect choice for the job to he wasn’t ready for the job. I still think he’s going to win several championships in his career. He values defense and seems to relate really well to this generation of players. I think he’s using a lot of K’s philosophies and is slowly adding his own. He played some zone in several games this season to disrupt the offensive flow of our opponents. I can’t count the number of times I wanted Coach K to switch things up. We know he knows how to construct a team. I think he has a winning formula now, it’s going to be interesting to see how next year’s team is constructed. I know we’re all down after the way we lost the game, but I trust that Jon will learn from this and he won’t let it happen again. I still think we’re lucky to have him as our coach.
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With the coaching carousel, it's great to know we have one that 100% bleeds Duke basketball! I would like to have seen him change it up when we couldnt score to at least disrupt UH's defense and give them something else to think about...even for a possession or two....Evans, Pat with Malauch and Flagg go big...just something. I think it would have also given the rotation rest to be fresh for the frantic last few mins...although no one predicted those. JS proved he can get teams to buy into defending so lets hope next years team does too....just need it for one more game next year!
 
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Jon had accolades and praise all week. He can take a little criticism about what happened. He is in the big chair making the big money. You blow a 9 point lead in 2 minutes there are going to be questions. Jon will learn from this. But I agree it is staggering how the press turned on us. But to be fair it was a very public and dramatic meltdown. I still think we had a great year, but that was a painful end. The year UNLV boat raced us in the finals was painful as well, but we won it the next year. The difference is we had 4 starters back. Jon's job now is to keep the team from scattering to the 4 winds, besides the obvious NBA departures.
 
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The players got tight is what it boils down to. Only thing I fault Scheyer on is running same inbounds play with Sion. This loss is on the players they were in a position to win and couldn't finish. Sion and Tyrese committed awful turnovers and don't keep the ball to get fouled and fold at the line. Scheyer coached a good game and can't be on the court to make the play.
 
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It still burns me inside that we lost the other day. Keep playing those last few possessions in my head over and over again. 😢

Sampson been coaching nearly 40 years and he finally is getting his chance tonight. Izzo been there many times in 40 years and only won once. Although Geno Auriemma has won a bunch of championships, until yesterday he hasn't won one in 10 years. He said something to the fact that he wasn't sure if he made the right decision to keep coaching.

Point being is that we're going to feel the pain of the other night many more times in our hopefully very long lifetime. I'm sure it's hurt Jon more than anything that he's gone through. Hopefully he learns from this and continues to learn.
 
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