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If there were ever any doubt as to whether or not tptb at unx support Bradley , this should end any speculation. As much as I hate 'em , I never woulda believed the holes would put banners over integrity...
Dear Provost Dean:
I think you should be aware of the recent activities of your learning specialist Bradley Bethel. It started with this and quickly escalated:
http://coachingthemind.blogspot.com/2014/0...tinguished.html
I'm a free speech purist, and his claims about me will be easily refuted. That's not the reason for the email. If you read this post and his follow-ups carefully, and note his "debating" tactics, you may come to feel--as I do--that there are reasons to worry about this man's stability. As the person ultimately in charge of academic support, and ultimately responsible for his actions, you need to be aware that I and others have openly expressed concerns about his mental health. I would not want him feeling harassed, but my feeling is that experts here at the University should at least be consulted.
Sincerely,
Jay Smith
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Professor Smith
thank you for your message and your concern. I have read the material at the link you sent me. I don't see any evidence of mental health concerns in this material, but perhaps I have missed it. If you could be more specific that would be helpful. Also, if you have other evidence or reason for concern, please do share this with me.
Sincerely,
Jim Dean
Dear Provost Dean:
I think you should be aware of the recent activities of your learning specialist Bradley Bethel. It started with this and quickly escalated:
http://coachingthemind.blogspot.com/2014/0...tinguished.html
I'm a free speech purist, and his claims about me will be easily refuted. That's not the reason for the email. If you read this post and his follow-ups carefully, and note his "debating" tactics, you may come to feel--as I do--that there are reasons to worry about this man's stability. As the person ultimately in charge of academic support, and ultimately responsible for his actions, you need to be aware that I and others have openly expressed concerns about his mental health. I would not want him feeling harassed, but my feeling is that experts here at the University should at least be consulted.
Sincerely,
Jay Smith
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Professor Smith
thank you for your message and your concern. I have read the material at the link you sent me. I don't see any evidence of mental health concerns in this material, but perhaps I have missed it. If you could be more specific that would be helpful. Also, if you have other evidence or reason for concern, please do share this with me.
Sincerely,
Jim Dean
unx alum Bob Lee responds briefly to another hole in the "COMMENTS" section of Lee's most recent blog post linked here earlier....
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The characters in TGU are so kooky they seem made up.
It appears that Professor Smith wrote a letter to the provost accusing BB of mental instability for some reason. Did he not learn anything from the FOIA requests and the fate of old Arturo?
Any wagers on whether ND handles this mess better than we did? I doubt they let the media dictate a 5 year investigation into the history of ND athletic shenanigans.
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Jay Smith's job does not involve marketing Bethel so I see no repercussions for him, contrary to Art's situation re: Butch.
ND's situation is far less complicated than unc at least "so far". They seem pretty upfront about getting it resolved rather than stonewalling "so far". Time will tell.
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The characters in TGU are so kooky they seem made up.
It appears that Professor Smith wrote a letter to the provost accusing BB of mental instability for some reason. Did he not learn anything from the FOIA requests and the fate of old Arturo?
Any wagers on whether ND handles this mess better than we did? I doubt they let the media dictate a 5 year investigation into the history of ND athletic shenanigans.
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Jay Smith's job does not involve marketing Bethel so I see no repercussions for him, contrary to Art's situation re: Butch.
ND's situation is far less complicated than unc at least "so far". They seem pretty upfront about getting it resolved rather than stonewalling "so far". Time will tell.
Lollers @ the change of venue motion. Heck , why not just get Bradley to hear the damn thing...?
unc WANTS MARY WILLINGHAM LAWSUIT DISMISSED
The University of North carolina at Chapel Hill has filed a motion to dismiss a civil lawsuit brought by former academic advisor and reading specialist Mary Willingham.
Willingham is the whistleblower who claimed some student athletes were functionally illiterate.
In the lawsuit, Willingham claimed she was discriminated and retaliated against for being a whistleblower, and is seeking damages of $10,000 and her job back.
Willingham claimed unc failed to address her concerns, and she was demoted and reassigned, according to the lawsuit.
Willingham's attorney has said she's endured a lot -- all because she tried to speak out and stand up for what she felt was right.
In court documents filed Wednesday, the University of North carolina claimed there was insufficient evidence to support Willingham's claims of First Amendment retaliation and whistleblower retaliation.
"The allegations in plaintiff's complaint go far beyond these two claims," the documents state. "Indeed, more than a quarter of plaintiff's 102-paragraph complaint consists of a stand-alone section devoted to allegations of what Plaintiff refers to as the 'national scandal' surrounding the University's treatment of athletes - allegations that are wholly unrelated to Plaintiff's causes of action."
The motion seeks to strike 24 different paragraphs from the complaint related to athletics and academic matters that unc claims are Willingham's own interpretations and have no connection to her.
"She merely states that they were reported and she fails to connect them in any way to her asserted causes of action," the documents read.
unc is also seeking to have the case transferred from Wake County to Orange County.
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unc WANTS MARY WILLINGHAM LAWSUIT DISMISSED
The University of North carolina at Chapel Hill has filed a motion to dismiss a civil lawsuit brought by former academic advisor and reading specialist Mary Willingham.
Willingham is the whistleblower who claimed some student athletes were functionally illiterate.
In the lawsuit, Willingham claimed she was discriminated and retaliated against for being a whistleblower, and is seeking damages of $10,000 and her job back.
Willingham claimed unc failed to address her concerns, and she was demoted and reassigned, according to the lawsuit.
Willingham's attorney has said she's endured a lot -- all because she tried to speak out and stand up for what she felt was right.
In court documents filed Wednesday, the University of North carolina claimed there was insufficient evidence to support Willingham's claims of First Amendment retaliation and whistleblower retaliation.
"The allegations in plaintiff's complaint go far beyond these two claims," the documents state. "Indeed, more than a quarter of plaintiff's 102-paragraph complaint consists of a stand-alone section devoted to allegations of what Plaintiff refers to as the 'national scandal' surrounding the University's treatment of athletes - allegations that are wholly unrelated to Plaintiff's causes of action."
The motion seeks to strike 24 different paragraphs from the complaint related to athletics and academic matters that unc claims are Willingham's own interpretations and have no connection to her.
"She merely states that they were reported and she fails to connect them in any way to her asserted causes of action," the documents read.
unc is also seeking to have the case transferred from Wake County to Orange County.
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unc deflection
Thank you for the Aug. 7 editorial "Paper chase" on the overreaction to the discovery of minor plagiarism in Mary Willingham's master's thesis that was most likely sloppiness. It was not only Willingham's sloppiness but also her adviser's.
Master's theses are reviewed carefully by an adviser and submitted to a committee for approval. Certainly, Willingham should have been more careful, but the substance was not compromised, and this is one more attempt to distract from the real problem with athletics at unc.
The university could have spared itself much grief, embarrassment, expense and extensive news coverage if it had just thanked Willingham and said it was concerned and would deal with the situation immediately.
Eleanor Kinnaird
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Thank you for the Aug. 7 editorial "Paper chase" on the overreaction to the discovery of minor plagiarism in Mary Willingham's master's thesis that was most likely sloppiness. It was not only Willingham's sloppiness but also her adviser's.
Master's theses are reviewed carefully by an adviser and submitted to a committee for approval. Certainly, Willingham should have been more careful, but the substance was not compromised, and this is one more attempt to distract from the real problem with athletics at unc.
The university could have spared itself much grief, embarrassment, expense and extensive news coverage if it had just thanked Willingham and said it was concerned and would deal with the situation immediately.
Eleanor Kinnaird
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What time's Bradley's lunch break over?
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What time's Bradley's lunch break over?
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Posted: Today 7:16 PM
Re: Scandal: unc files to dismiss whistleblower lawsuit
Word via the unc mole grapevine today is that :
2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.
I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.
Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .
I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .
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Posted: Today 7:16 PM
Re: Scandal: unc files to dismiss whistleblower lawsuit
Word via the unc mole grapevine today is that :
2-3 baseball players and a " half dozen " football players are willing to speak about the scam . All former players from the last 10 years or so . A few are transfers or were waiver wire victims and don't have the blind loyalty that the others do . Not sure yet if they are talking in private behind the scenes or to a media member(s) . But something is going on. This same guy said no basketball players are ever going to talk besides McCants in his opinion . Was pretty confident of that fwiw.
I'm willing to bet Wainstein is terrified about what is still out there and could blow up again after he's done . Would look pretty ridiculous if he accepted $ 5-8 million , produced a flimsy report only to have some journalist or another McCants type on the football side completely discredit him.
Will be fascinating to see this play out . I hope it ends soon , but the NCAA could take another year after Wainstein .
I still say a former tutor not named Wiley will be the one to break this open . She was pretty close to talking 2 months back . I hear Wainstein knows who she is . If she was interviewed or not is another question .
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Posted: Today 7:11 PM
Re: unc Scandal: Bethel Mentally Unstable according to unc Prof
unc is in an ever growing cooking pot. unc is trying to stop the heat from below the pot. The pot keeps getting bigger but the lid on the pot is the same size and the original opening is the same. unc is struggling to hold the lid on the pot that contains the cess pool of corruption. Throwing cool water on the pot only causes a little smoke. Meanwhile there is an enormous supply of knowledge fuel that will continue to stoke the fire.
When that lid blows many will be shocked..........but few of those many will be on PP...
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Posted: Today 7:11 PM
Re: unc Scandal: Bethel Mentally Unstable according to unc Prof
unc is in an ever growing cooking pot. unc is trying to stop the heat from below the pot. The pot keeps getting bigger but the lid on the pot is the same size and the original opening is the same. unc is struggling to hold the lid on the pot that contains the cess pool of corruption. Throwing cool water on the pot only causes a little smoke. Meanwhile there is an enormous supply of knowledge fuel that will continue to stoke the fire.
When that lid blows many will be shocked..........but few of those many will be on PP...
"COMMENTS" section. unx alum Bob Lee...
FROM: BobLee
What Mary Willingham proposed was unc offering a three semester "remedial curriculum" to bring the "not ready for academic prime time" athletes up to a "at least have a chance to learn" level.
"Little Carol (From Dartmouth!)" was officially APPALLED at such a suggestion. No report on what BOTBob, or "call me Dickie" thought about it.
IOW , Mary actually cared about educating the players. Folt cared about "To SEEM rather than to BE" and perpetuating the "carolina way" bs.
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FROM: BobLee
What Mary Willingham proposed was unc offering a three semester "remedial curriculum" to bring the "not ready for academic prime time" athletes up to a "at least have a chance to learn" level.
"Little Carol (From Dartmouth!)" was officially APPALLED at such a suggestion. No report on what BOTBob, or "call me Dickie" thought about it.
IOW , Mary actually cared about educating the players. Folt cared about "To SEEM rather than to BE" and perpetuating the "carolina way" bs.
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Fats/unx. unx/Fats. BFF's. Henson hosting this one. Good thing it ain't like a convicted felon has entre nous to unx's athletic department , unx players and to some of the university's shadiest alums or anything , right...?
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No gild for the Dean Dome
It also typifies the devotion to expensive entertainment that allowed unc-CH to neglect the education of its football and basketball players.
It would have been encouraging if the athletic director had put off the plans after sober reflection. He could have said that it's time to focus not on frills but on fundamentals, such as making sure athletes attend actual classes and receive true grades and a real education.
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It also typifies the devotion to expensive entertainment that allowed unc-CH to neglect the education of its football and basketball players.
It would have been encouraging if the athletic director had put off the plans after sober reflection. He could have said that it's time to focus not on frills but on fundamentals, such as making sure athletes attend actual classes and receive true grades and a real education.
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Hahahahahaha! That was awesome!!!Originally posted by DevilDJ:
Kenny Whitewash. "Indeed , the hand is quicker than the eye. Voila...!
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It's just beyond comprehension to me.
Here's another one, DevilDJ. Remember the 'agent' that PJ hired to represent him...Juan Morrow? We know he wasn't certified, but guess what? His 'company' (UMG Global) hired Johathan Stahler (who is certified) to represent Hairston! And we wonder why PJ keeps getting into trouble...smh.
And isn't Juan Morrow connected with Fats and Kiss Entertainment (or was at one time)? I thought I read that somewhere...but maybe I'm wrong.
Below is the link to the article about PJ signing with the Hornets...and about his 'agents'.
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Hornets Sign PJ
Drama 160 consistently has a high percentage of athletes
Student-athletes have made up more than 20 percent of the total enrollment in the University's stagecraft class since 2006 - in some cases, making up more than 50 percent of the class.
"The workload isn't particularly heavy,
Prior to 2006, the course was titled Drama 060 and had similar enrollment statistics.
"When I interviewed for this position, I was told there was a history of athletes taking the class," Navalinsky said. "You throw a rock at Loudermilk, I guarantee you're going to hit at least one athlete who's taken 160."
...he remains relatively unconcerned about the clustering of athletes in the course and thinks it is a natural occurrence.
Didn't someone else point out the large number of jocks in Drama? Oh yeah. Mary Willingham. I thought she was discredited.
Typical unx playbook. Classes with course names altered and instructors who , basically , could give a **** about the clustering. #carolinaway. This is just further evidence that while AFAM was Ground Zero for the cheating other profs/courses complicit too. #Boxill
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Student-athletes have made up more than 20 percent of the total enrollment in the University's stagecraft class since 2006 - in some cases, making up more than 50 percent of the class.
"The workload isn't particularly heavy,
Prior to 2006, the course was titled Drama 060 and had similar enrollment statistics.
"When I interviewed for this position, I was told there was a history of athletes taking the class," Navalinsky said. "You throw a rock at Loudermilk, I guarantee you're going to hit at least one athlete who's taken 160."
...he remains relatively unconcerned about the clustering of athletes in the course and thinks it is a natural occurrence.
Didn't someone else point out the large number of jocks in Drama? Oh yeah. Mary Willingham. I thought she was discredited.
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Former Faculty Want More Involvement In unc
Some former unc faculty members want to be more involved with the University, and soon they may have just such an opportunity.
Professor Emeritus Andrew Dobelstein is a member of the Retired Faculty Association, which is hopeful in creating the unc Academy of Emeriti Scholars.
But first, he says, it's important to know where everyone stands.
"We said, 'well we don't know what we have absolutely no idea about what retired faculty as a group or as many of the individuals are even thinking about'," Dobelstein says.
The retired faculty's most notable recent public expression came in April when 30 former professors signed a letter written in the News and Observer conveying concern that the University has been quiet about the lengthy academic improprieties.
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Some former unc faculty members want to be more involved with the University, and soon they may have just such an opportunity.
Professor Emeritus Andrew Dobelstein is a member of the Retired Faculty Association, which is hopeful in creating the unc Academy of Emeriti Scholars.
But first, he says, it's important to know where everyone stands.
"We said, 'well we don't know what we have absolutely no idea about what retired faculty as a group or as many of the individuals are even thinking about'," Dobelstein says.
The retired faculty's most notable recent public expression came in April when 30 former professors signed a letter written in the News and Observer conveying concern that the University has been quiet about the lengthy academic improprieties.
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I crap you not....
Georgia Tech had its NCAA probation extended two years, to June 13, 2017, after coaches were found to have made hundreds of impermissible calls and texts to recruits in 2011 and 2012. The NCAA on Thursday announced its ruling that Georgia Tech ''failed to monitor its sports programs.''
Really? GT hammered for offenses that pale in comparison to unx's. I'll say it now. If unx keeps pizzin' off the NCAA , some directional school is gonna get the Death Penalty. Heck , why didn't GT simply mimic the #carolinaway? Have the coaches use burners...Butch-style. That way they wouldn't have had to use the university-provided phone.
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Georgia Tech had its NCAA probation extended two years, to June 13, 2017, after coaches were found to have made hundreds of impermissible calls and texts to recruits in 2011 and 2012. The NCAA on Thursday announced its ruling that Georgia Tech ''failed to monitor its sports programs.''
Really? GT hammered for offenses that pale in comparison to unx's. I'll say it now. If unx keeps pizzin' off the NCAA , some directional school is gonna get the Death Penalty. Heck , why didn't GT simply mimic the #carolinaway? Have the coaches use burners...Butch-style. That way they wouldn't have had to use the university-provided phone.
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"We will find out what happened," Mr. Thorp pledged.
All this time later, they have not.
"We will not let these mistakes define us," he said.
But they are beginning to.
It is the reality that the scandal simply refuses to die.
The university has tried everything in the crisis-management playbook, and nothing seems to have worked.
But some wounds in this case are self-inflicted.
To Frank R. Baumgartner, a distinguished professor of political science at Chapel Hill, those numbers suggest that-at a minimum-the fraud was disproportionately associated with athletics.
"I've been astounded at the tin ear the administration has shown, continuing to say that it's an academic scandal rather than an athletic scandal," he says. "The statistics just make it clear. You see a pattern like that, an overrepresentation that is so statistically obvious, and you reach a conclusion."
In the past four years, a rather nasty rift has developed between Chapel Hill's professoriate and the counselors who advise athletes. The infighting has doubtless contributed to the prolonged nature of the crisis, as both sides ascribe culpability to each other.
John G. Blanchard, a former senior associate athletic director, says rumor and innuendo have unfairly tarnished the reputation of the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes, whose counselors advise players on course selection, among other things. The counselors are paid by the athletics department but report to an associate dean.
Committee members told him that professors have wide latitude in how they teach, he says. That is academic-speak for "back off."
Members of the committee, however, have disputed that Mr. Blanchard ever raised any concerns.
But its attempts to control the story have largely failed.
To some faculty observers, the university's efforts to undermine Ms. Willingham have served mainly to prolong the crisis. Laurie F. Maffly-Kipp, who helped write a faculty report on the academic fraud at Chapel Hill, says the university has missed an opportunity to work with the whistle-blower on improving education for its athletes.
"That part seems really unfortunate," says Ms. Maffly-Kipp, who has become a distinguished professor in the humanities at Washington University in St. Louis. "I don't see the value for unc in disparaging Mary Willingham or criticizing her."
He (Wainstein) is expected to deliver essentially what the university said Governor Martin would provide in 2012.
"At the end of this," he (Wainstein) continues, "I'm going to lay it out. I want people to say he looked everywhere he should have looked. He pushed as hard as one should."
That's what the last guy said, too.
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All this time later, they have not.
"We will not let these mistakes define us," he said.
But they are beginning to.
It is the reality that the scandal simply refuses to die.
The university has tried everything in the crisis-management playbook, and nothing seems to have worked.
But some wounds in this case are self-inflicted.
To Frank R. Baumgartner, a distinguished professor of political science at Chapel Hill, those numbers suggest that-at a minimum-the fraud was disproportionately associated with athletics.
"I've been astounded at the tin ear the administration has shown, continuing to say that it's an academic scandal rather than an athletic scandal," he says. "The statistics just make it clear. You see a pattern like that, an overrepresentation that is so statistically obvious, and you reach a conclusion."
In the past four years, a rather nasty rift has developed between Chapel Hill's professoriate and the counselors who advise athletes. The infighting has doubtless contributed to the prolonged nature of the crisis, as both sides ascribe culpability to each other.
John G. Blanchard, a former senior associate athletic director, says rumor and innuendo have unfairly tarnished the reputation of the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes, whose counselors advise players on course selection, among other things. The counselors are paid by the athletics department but report to an associate dean.
Committee members told him that professors have wide latitude in how they teach, he says. That is academic-speak for "back off."
Members of the committee, however, have disputed that Mr. Blanchard ever raised any concerns.
But its attempts to control the story have largely failed.
To some faculty observers, the university's efforts to undermine Ms. Willingham have served mainly to prolong the crisis. Laurie F. Maffly-Kipp, who helped write a faculty report on the academic fraud at Chapel Hill, says the university has missed an opportunity to work with the whistle-blower on improving education for its athletes.
"That part seems really unfortunate," says Ms. Maffly-Kipp, who has become a distinguished professor in the humanities at Washington University in St. Louis. "I don't see the value for unc in disparaging Mary Willingham or criticizing her."
He (Wainstein) is expected to deliver essentially what the university said Governor Martin would provide in 2012.
"At the end of this," he (Wainstein) continues, "I'm going to lay it out. I want people to say he looked everywhere he should have looked. He pushed as hard as one should."
That's what the last guy said, too.
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"John G. Blanchard, a former senior associate athletic director, says rumor and innuendo have unfairly tarnished the reputation of the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes, whose counselors advise players on course selection, among other things. The counselors are paid by the athletics department but report to an associate dean.
"If a course is offered at the university and faculty are teaching it, it is not up to the person who works with student-athletes to see that the course is not fraudulent," Mr. Blanchard says. "That's not their job. The academic counselors have gotten a really bad rap, and it's been totally unfair."
Excuse me, John; but ASPSA has been the most shielded and coddled entity in this whole debacle. Tainted? Unfairly? Well, I guess that's something, because no one from that citadel of learning is being held accountable. It's everyone else's fault: teaching faculty, CAS deans, assistant, media, athletes (at least those that speak out negatively). Heck, even the athletic department has been allowed to take the hit for "lax recruiting." But those academic advisors? Nope. Clean as a whistle and unfairly maligned by Willingham, Smith and the N&O.
Yet, wasn't it you, John, and then-ASPSA boss Robert Mercer, who claimed you raised concerns about the classes to the FAC in the early part of the 2000s decade? Why? It wasn't yours or Mercer's job to question faculty's teaching. Yet you did. (Right?) What happened?
And explain to me why the revealed email exchanges between Nyang'oro/Crowder and the ASPSA people aren't taint-worthy evidence? President Ross said he'd look into them, and that was ages ago. Since then, not a peep. I trust the Wainstein report will cover that.
No, Mr. Blanchard. I disagree with you on the "unfairly" score. Bradley Bethel has led the campaign to defend ASPSA's jump circle, and at every turn, the official unc response has sought to assign responsibility for whatever failure is acknowledged to anyone but ASPSA. If the worst that ASPSA gets is a good tainting, then I'd say they were lucky indeed. What's unfair is the maligning of unc's entire academic integrity and the reputation hit its vast majority of students and teachers have taken because the university has chosen to conclude this is an "academic scandal, which is worse." Imagine this being deemed an athletic scandal, with championship titles vacated and penalties imposed, and tell me with a straight face that unc advocates would not find that to be worse.
"Unfairly tainted." What a crock.
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"John G. Blanchard, a former senior associate athletic director, says rumor and innuendo have unfairly tarnished the reputation of the Academic Support Program for Student-Athletes, whose counselors advise players on course selection, among other things. The counselors are paid by the athletics department but report to an associate dean.
"If a course is offered at the university and faculty are teaching it, it is not up to the person who works with student-athletes to see that the course is not fraudulent," Mr. Blanchard says. "That's not their job. The academic counselors have gotten a really bad rap, and it's been totally unfair."
Excuse me, John; but ASPSA has been the most shielded and coddled entity in this whole debacle. Tainted? Unfairly? Well, I guess that's something, because no one from that citadel of learning is being held accountable. It's everyone else's fault: teaching faculty, CAS deans, assistant, media, athletes (at least those that speak out negatively). Heck, even the athletic department has been allowed to take the hit for "lax recruiting." But those academic advisors? Nope. Clean as a whistle and unfairly maligned by Willingham, Smith and the N&O.
Yet, wasn't it you, John, and then-ASPSA boss Robert Mercer, who claimed you raised concerns about the classes to the FAC in the early part of the 2000s decade? Why? It wasn't yours or Mercer's job to question faculty's teaching. Yet you did. (Right?) What happened?
And explain to me why the revealed email exchanges between Nyang'oro/Crowder and the ASPSA people aren't taint-worthy evidence? President Ross said he'd look into them, and that was ages ago. Since then, not a peep. I trust the Wainstein report will cover that.
No, Mr. Blanchard. I disagree with you on the "unfairly" score. Bradley Bethel has led the campaign to defend ASPSA's jump circle, and at every turn, the official unc response has sought to assign responsibility for whatever failure is acknowledged to anyone but ASPSA. If the worst that ASPSA gets is a good tainting, then I'd say they were lucky indeed. What's unfair is the maligning of unc's entire academic integrity and the reputation hit its vast majority of students and teachers have taken because the university has chosen to conclude this is an "academic scandal, which is worse." Imagine this being deemed an athletic scandal, with championship titles vacated and penalties imposed, and tell me with a straight face that unc advocates would not find that to be worse.
"Unfairly tainted." What a crock.
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Posted: Today 3:08 PM
Re: unc Scandal: Holeville - Where Assaults Don't Really Happen
carolina may never suffer the athletic penalties that many here hope for or would love to see; and if that proves to be true, they'll weather this storm eventually and within the fanboy world of men's basketball and football, all this will pass.
But they've lost some of their advocates who are more concerned with academic integrity than athletic accomplishments, and not because of the AFAM department failures but over the way the administration and many senior faculty have allowed the athletic tail to wag the academic dog. An academic scandal really SHOULD be worse than an athletic one, but at unc it's not. Further athletic penalties would devastate them far more than any "rogue" academic scandal could, and that skewed priority is why the effort has been so expensively pursued to shield the athletic department (and ASPSA) from any culpability.
They've lost my respect. They've lost the support of several alumni I know. And they're losing at least one teaching faculty I know who is disgusted with the University's response, including the capitulation and appeasement by many of her colleagues.
unc is still a great institution of higher learning and, for the vast, vast majority of students, researchers and teachers, it remains one of the best, public or otherwise. And, also for the vast majority of student-athletes, they are truly dedicated to academics first and leveraging athletics to achieve academic goals.
But unc has allowed a small, but significant segment of revenue-producing athletics to taint all of that, and it's administration, board of governors, and booster backers own the blame for that. Not that they care, apparently. As long as they can keep the banners and continue to seem rather than to be.
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Posted: Today 3:08 PM
Re: unc Scandal: Holeville - Where Assaults Don't Really Happen
carolina may never suffer the athletic penalties that many here hope for or would love to see; and if that proves to be true, they'll weather this storm eventually and within the fanboy world of men's basketball and football, all this will pass.
But they've lost some of their advocates who are more concerned with academic integrity than athletic accomplishments, and not because of the AFAM department failures but over the way the administration and many senior faculty have allowed the athletic tail to wag the academic dog. An academic scandal really SHOULD be worse than an athletic one, but at unc it's not. Further athletic penalties would devastate them far more than any "rogue" academic scandal could, and that skewed priority is why the effort has been so expensively pursued to shield the athletic department (and ASPSA) from any culpability.
They've lost my respect. They've lost the support of several alumni I know. And they're losing at least one teaching faculty I know who is disgusted with the University's response, including the capitulation and appeasement by many of her colleagues.
unc is still a great institution of higher learning and, for the vast, vast majority of students, researchers and teachers, it remains one of the best, public or otherwise. And, also for the vast majority of student-athletes, they are truly dedicated to academics first and leveraging athletics to achieve academic goals.
But unc has allowed a small, but significant segment of revenue-producing athletics to taint all of that, and it's administration, board of governors, and booster backers own the blame for that. Not that they care, apparently. As long as they can keep the banners and continue to seem rather than to be.
unx alum Bob Lee. Given the circumstances , the Duke Lax mention doesn't make sense but maybe he just wanted to throw his unx readers a bone...
A Ray / Nico will know every bartender and cocktail waitress in town.... the drug supply chains..... the escort services..... the bouncers at the strip joints..... the small time hustlers..... and - OH YES - the party planners and mouthguard entrepreneurs who lurk in the shadows of high profile sports programs.
Hypothetically.... a "party planner in a neighboring community" moves in on your young athlete inviting him to his lair where enticements abound. "Enticements" that could result in embarrassing headlines for your stately institution.
Ray hears from an informant and Ray pays said party planner a visit. There is a mano a mano stand-off resulting in said party planner "blinking". If your Ray blinks, then you got "the wrong Ray" and you shoulda hired "Nico". Said party planner decides to pursue young impressionable athlete celebrities at rival institutions that don't employ a Ray or a Nico.
Ray Donovans and Nico Careles are also handy to have on retainer if your lacrosse team is having a party. If ya get my drift. Oh, and "hazings" and "pranks" are a pieca cake for "a fixer".
I have researched the above not only by watching Ray Donovan on Sunday nights on Showtime and watching Nico on Necessary Roughness for its three seasons.... but by on-going conversations with a for-real sorta-kinda Ray / Nico that, yes, I do have "on speed dial".
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A Ray / Nico will know every bartender and cocktail waitress in town.... the drug supply chains..... the escort services..... the bouncers at the strip joints..... the small time hustlers..... and - OH YES - the party planners and mouthguard entrepreneurs who lurk in the shadows of high profile sports programs.
Hypothetically.... a "party planner in a neighboring community" moves in on your young athlete inviting him to his lair where enticements abound. "Enticements" that could result in embarrassing headlines for your stately institution.
Ray hears from an informant and Ray pays said party planner a visit. There is a mano a mano stand-off resulting in said party planner "blinking". If your Ray blinks, then you got "the wrong Ray" and you shoulda hired "Nico". Said party planner decides to pursue young impressionable athlete celebrities at rival institutions that don't employ a Ray or a Nico.
Ray Donovans and Nico Careles are also handy to have on retainer if your lacrosse team is having a party. If ya get my drift. Oh, and "hazings" and "pranks" are a pieca cake for "a fixer".
I have researched the above not only by watching Ray Donovan on Sunday nights on Showtime and watching Nico on Necessary Roughness for its three seasons.... but by on-going conversations with a for-real sorta-kinda Ray / Nico that, yes, I do have "on speed dial".
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I like Bob Lee a lot, DevilDJ, but he threw me for a loop too with the Lax incident mention. Duke handled that in the opposite fashion that UNC has their problems. As you say, it could be a 'bone' to his fellow Heels. I guess it does get tired having to address all the scandals of UNC athletics...with not much to say about your rival in that area.
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Yeah , the LAX reference made zero sense EXCEPT as a "bone." Heck , even IF the Duke guys were guilty of the crimes they were accused of , then Duke's "fixer" (if they had one) failed miserably. That was bigtime NATIONAL news for quite awhile.
Grain of salt. I'm sure Kenny Whitewash has seen other atrocities just as egregious as the one in Chapel Hill. "Crisis of faith," perhaps...?
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Posted: Today 9:32 AM
Re: Scandal:Breaking:UNC Police Report Cover-Up Exposed- Kane
Just heard that Wainstein is having second thoughts about this assignment. My source is saying he has been sickened by some of his findings and is concerned that closure might be impossible....I think sooner or later a man must decide what good does it do to gain the whole world and lose his soul. Money or Truth, money or truth. That decision will confront most men at some time in their life.
I hesitated posting this message 3 times and finally decided I had to post.
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Posted: Today 9:32 AM
Re: Scandal:Breaking:UNC Police Report Cover-Up Exposed- Kane
Just heard that Wainstein is having second thoughts about this assignment. My source is saying he has been sickened by some of his findings and is concerned that closure might be impossible....I think sooner or later a man must decide what good does it do to gain the whole world and lose his soul. Money or Truth, money or truth. That decision will confront most men at some time in their life.
I hesitated posting this message 3 times and finally decided I had to post.
Thread at the CHeats' site...
1) 4 UNC Post On The D***** Site
Posted in that thread...
When there's a 5:1 ratio of threads[/B], it needs pointing out from time to time.
"5:1?" Really...?
2) D*** culture
3) Who Plays the Cupcakes?
4) Feeling the Blues![/B]
Add in one referencing Duke...
5) What us Heels fans already knew about D***** V...[/I]
Another specifically directed at Duke/State fans...
6) I miss the wrath of the Tomestone[/B]
And just for ishes an' giggles , 4 slobbering that stooge Miss Bethel that also whine about Duke/State fans...
7) Bradley Bethel Calls Out N&O...
8) Silence, thank you GOD!
9) Accusations Being Leveled
10) Coaching The Mind...
1) 4 UNC Post On The D***** Site
Posted in that thread...
When there's a 5:1 ratio of threads[/B], it needs pointing out from time to time.
"5:1?" Really...?
2) D*** culture
3) Who Plays the Cupcakes?
4) Feeling the Blues![/B]
Add in one referencing Duke...
5) What us Heels fans already knew about D***** V...[/I]
Another specifically directed at Duke/State fans...
6) I miss the wrath of the Tomestone[/B]
And just for ishes an' giggles , 4 slobbering that stooge Miss Bethel that also whine about Duke/State fans...
7) Bradley Bethel Calls Out N&O...
8) Silence, thank you GOD!
9) Accusations Being Leveled
10) Coaching The Mind...
^Yeah, they're so busy counting threads over here they forgot to keep tabs on the home front, DevilDJ!
And wow, that little Bradley Bethel is something else. Barfs it out by the gallons.
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This post was edited on 9/15 3:57 AM by OldasdirtDevil
And wow, that little Bradley Bethel is something else. Barfs it out by the gallons.
OFC
This post was edited on 9/15 3:57 AM by OldasdirtDevil
Two links. Here's the first...
MEETING OF THE FACULTY COUNCIL & GENERAL FACULTY
Friday, September 19, 2014
3:00 p.m.
Pleasants Family Assembly Room
Wilson Library
Chancellor Carol Folt and Professor Bruce Cairns, Chair of the Faculty, presiding
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4:10 Annual Reports
Faculty Athletics Committee
Prof. Joy Renner, Chair
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MEETING OF THE FACULTY COUNCIL & GENERAL FACULTY
Friday, September 19, 2014
3:00 p.m.
Pleasants Family Assembly Room
Wilson Library
Chancellor Carol Folt and Professor Bruce Cairns, Chair of the Faculty, presiding
SCROLL DOWN...
4:10 Annual Reports
Faculty Athletics Committee
Prof. Joy Renner, Chair
UNC-CHeat
SCROLL DOWN TO PAGE 6...
Sensitivity of coaches to academic calendar and academic demands on student-athletes
Opportunities
v. Bubba Cunningham can work with FAC to identify these times in the semester
and communicate with the coaches and administrators that they should be
sensitive to the academic demands on students during these periods by reducing
practice obligations when possible.
Some coaches are concerned that student-athletes at other institutions have fewer
academic demands on them than students at unc-CH.
Opportunities.
vi. Learn the facts regarding the requirements from other institutions and educate our
coaches, but more importantly about the requirements at unc.
vii. Learn the facts regarding the missed class limits at other institutions and educate
our coaches and communicate unc-CH expectations regarding class attendance.
UNC-CHeat
Sensitivity of coaches to academic calendar and academic demands on student-athletes
Opportunities
v. Bubba Cunningham can work with FAC to identify these times in the semester
and communicate with the coaches and administrators that they should be
sensitive to the academic demands on students during these periods by reducing
practice obligations when possible.
Some coaches are concerned that student-athletes at other institutions have fewer
academic demands on them than students at unc-CH.
Opportunities.
vi. Learn the facts regarding the requirements from other institutions and educate our
coaches, but more importantly about the requirements at unc.
vii. Learn the facts regarding the missed class limits at other institutions and educate
our coaches and communicate unc-CH expectations regarding class attendance.
UNC-CHeat
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