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Amidst clamor over "scapegoating" WBB, can anyone recall a news piece arguing Hatchell be fired, the way media has argued Roy be fired?

Altha Cravey ‏@LocoCravey

B/c no big $ goes into womens bball, numbskull. It would barely exist if there were no Title IX

DevilDJ ‏@DevilDJ32

@LocoCravey unc itself has decided to #ScapegoatSylvia As such,ANY "news piece arguing Hatchell be fired" is irrelevant anyway.

Altha Cravey‏@LocoCravey

@DevilDJ32 Yep, makes you wonder just how MANY scapegoats unc will use before they realize they gotta be transparent in a public institution

 
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Lest we forget , it was all a diversion anyway. What the media does and/or doesn't do has bupkiss to do with unx's shameless attempt to bury Sylvia. He tweeted that nonsense and got everyone all worked up when none of it was germane to unx's despicable treatment of Hatchell. Gawd , what a scumbag.
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Absolutely, DevilDJ. That's what they do...deny, deflect, and defend (lying). The whole bunch of 'em doing the spinnin' are fecal manner. I'd be ashamed to look myself in the mirror.

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Back when the whole Penn State crap went down, while everyone was cheering, I was pointing out the NCAA had no jurisdiction and it was an EGREGIOUS abuse of power. People arguing UNC athletics will not take a hit because it was an academic issue because non-athletes are involved are sorely mistaken.

And the punishments will be bad enough when they come down, but are they going to be worse because of the way UNC is acting? They are almost DARING the NCAA and the accreditation organization to pummel UNC worse than anyone of them wants to. How stupid can UNC be? They are doubling down on a hard 12 against a dealer's ace. This cannot end well...
 
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Posted: Yesterday 8:44 PM

Re: unc Scandal I _____ hate unc!

I have been told countless times that Jack Evans and Kenan-Flagler are the nexus of the power that has enabled the cover-up and the system to continue. Many of these powers are not in North carolina, but in places like Texas. The BobLeeSays article about Martin is very good, the Dental Foundation is nothing compared to the power that runs through Kenan-Flagler. Those "lower level blue bloods" are tied together through KF. The corruption runs directly between Kenan-Flagler and South Hall. It is kind of funny that KF is right beside DES Center.



THIS^^^^ is why unx will continue to pay millions of dollars in PR and CYA. Saving wins , banners and the legacy of Dean Smith would merely be fringe benefits if the holes manage to escape serious punishment. Simply put , the corruption at the "flagship" runs too deep. Jack Evans was an architect of the NCAA's APR formula that unx has been prison-raping all these years to admit , keep eligible and graduate morons. We're also talkin' politicos. Martin was in on it. What? He's the only NC politician to protect unx? He's "ol' skool' too. This stuff didn't just start 4+ years ago. There's way too many reputations of people in positions of real power and influence involved to NOT do everything possible to protect those reps while continuing to feed the unx basketball beast. Geez Louise , that DENTAL FOUNDATION hired Tami to answer phones and sleep with Matt for a nice phat salary AND employed Fats freakin' Thomas yet they're considered "nothing" compared to the K-F mafia. I'm as guilty as anyone of the mindset but let's not think this is as simple as a few basketball and football games.
 
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Posted: Yesterday 7:39 PM

Re: UNC Scandal I _____ hate UNC!

Jim Martin was overconfident that his crew could fix this mess.

Holden Thorp:

"Either we put the ADs back in charge and hold them accountable if things don't work," Thorp said in April during a campus forum, "... or let's be honest and tell everyone when we select (presidents) to run institutions that run big-time sports that athletics is the most important part of their job."

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...p-leaving-north-carolina-tar-heels-chancellor

Guess who made the new rule saying the college presidents should be in charge of their athletic departments? Bill Friday and his NCAA Knight Commission. Friday praised Thorp for firing Butch Davis which was another complete scam. The effort to simplify the narrative and scapegoat a few low level culprits was begun.

http://www.knightcommission.org/presidential-control-a-leadership

Thorp was chairman of the Arts & Sciences for one year where he called Julius Nyang'oro a "great colleague". I've documented many instances where UNC saves their soldiers (even when they have done wrong and even if they have to commit a crime to save their own) only to scapegoat an outsider for the events that unfold. Why do you think Holden Thorp didn't want the college presidents to be responsible for the athletic departments? He knew about the shadow curriculum and he didn't want to be the one who took the fall for it. UNC then hired an outsider to replace Thorp. Carol Folt started poking around and reading emails of people such as Jan Boxill. I am sure she was surprised to arrive in Chapel Hill and see the place in such a mess. Her commissioning the Wainstein report was her way of CYA.

The lie continues to be sold that Jim Martin was asked by long time friend and fellow chemist Holden Thorp to do his report. The truth is, Princeton's folks are always involved in the fixes UNC generates. AAU chair Hunter Rawlings said "we're not here to investigate anything. All that's been done". He was referring to Jim Martin's whitewash report.

"Today, we’re really here to listen," Rawlings said. "We’re not here to investigate anything. All that’s been done. We want to make some positive recommendations going forward."

http://www.heraldsun.com/news/x609284610/Thorp-Chancellors-wrong-choice-to-lead-athletics

When Jim Martin said this was not an athletics scandal, he said it to keep the NCAA away. He knew fellow Princeton alum Hunter Rawlings would come to Chapel Hill and attempt to smooth things over and get everyone to move forward. Thank God the SACS finally stepped up. The AAU was used to try and trump any action from the SACS.

NCAA president Mark Emmert says athletes will not be paid while he is in the job. Athletes are about to start getting paid. Will he step down soon and let Oliver Luck hammer UNC?
 
How serious is unx about cleaning up? Last week , former Rams Club (athletics interests!!!) chair Dwight Stone was given the head gig for their BOT. Here's his now-deleted tweet when Mary Willingham left unx...

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He originally tweeted "Bye Bye Baby Good-bye" then transparently tried to back-pedal with the above post. This is what ya deal with at unx. Juvenile devotion to basketball over all else....even from the "adults." Honestly , just burn it to the ground , salt the earth then nuke it from space. It's the only way to be sure.
 
Some responses from unx alum Bob Lee in the "COMMENTS" section of his latest blog entry. Some not-so-nice things to say about tptb...including Sylvia and Roy ( and others....)


Bubba is “a hired gun” brought in to somehow bring order out of total chaos and clean-up the ooey-gooey mess created by Dickie and a host of other bumbling nitwits and self-righteous fops. It hasn’t gone as well as anyone would have hoped. When Marvin tweeted pretty much everyone thought it was just some spilt milk. Grab a Bounty, wipe it up and go back to the delusional stupor of The carolina Way. Five long agonizing years later and we still haven’t hit bottom of this Mariannas Trench of deceit, deception and administrative malfeasance. It is much worse than One Bubba can clean up. Left to his own administrative acumen, I do believe MBB could indeed “clean this up” but that will never happen. The fops and fools will always have the final say and they WILL screw-it-up.

Sylvia (and to a lesser degree her staff) ARE accountable for what Jan Boxill and Deb, Burgess et all were up to as regards the WoBB program. Ignorance to no excuse for them…. and Certainly not for that goofball huckleberry Roy. I do not advocate any raise or extension for SH… and definitely not for Roy. INEXCUSABLE! A billion dollar institution held captive by the arbitrary decisions of semi-literate 18 y/os. …. but the basic run-of-the-mill fan can remain as oblivious to reality as he/she pleases. Its the Fat Cats & Their Bragging Rights Obsessions I want to expose and to ridicule

All three – Stone – Caudill – Broome are “avid Tar Heel fans” with strong personal interest in Big Time College Sports and carolina’s on-going on-field and on-court success. That priority concerns many observers.

The BOG “oversight” role however does allow it to intervene when the on-campus situation appears out-of-control or otherwise incapable of cleaning up its own mess. Alas, under its current Chair – “Trainwreck” Fennebresque; The BOG is as “hapless: as the unc BOT. Both groups draw their members from the same demographic pool of citizenry.
 
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Posted: Today 11:02 AM

Re: unc Scandal I _____ hate unc!

Jack Evans was the FAR (Faculty Athletics Rep) for 15 years, this was the heart of the fraud (Lisa Broome took over from him in 2010). Evans was also the architect of the APR during his time as FAR. Evans was also heavily involved in carolina North. Evans is very close to James Dean and took over as interim Dean of KF after Dean was appointed as Provost. The real power at unc-CH is not based in North carolina. The BoT and BoG will always stay on the "right" side of these people. As BobLeeSays these people choose to stay in the shadows and are not man-enough to step into the public light.

Wall Street guys do not like to lose, ever.. They will do whatever it takes to win at all costs.. The real power emanates from the state of Texas and city of New York. North Carolinians are just pawns in the game.

http://www.kenan-flagler.unc.edu/news/2013/08/evans-profile

The below was written about Evans in 2010...

https://www.unc.edu/faculty/faccoun/honorary/JeffersonAward/tj2010evanscitation.shtml



Interesting paragraph from the first link. "Jack Evans" is a name to watch ya'll...

Even after his retirement, Evans continued to be involved at unc. He continues to serve as the chairman of the University Press Board of Governors and on the NCAA Committee on Academic Performance. That ongoing relationship with the university ensured a smooth transition when Evans emerged from retirement to take an on the familiar role of interim dean.
 
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Posted: Today 1:10 PM

Re: unc Scandal I _____ hate unc!

Jack Evans -- Cornell graduate, undergrad, MS and Ph D, engineering and then operations research.

Where did Cynthia Reynolds land after she left unc? As academics programs administrator in the school of engineering at Cornell.

I'm sure it's just coincidence. . . but then for some reason she refused to talk to Wainstein? I'm sure it's just coincidence.

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Posted: Today 1:43 PM

Re: unc Scandal I _____ hate unc!

Yep....

Academic Programs Administrator: Cynthia Reynolds

http://www.aep.cornell.edu/people/


This is good stuff. "Manalishi" has already complimented the information posted by "st8dukegrad." Can't imagine he'd do that if "st8" was not credible. Anyway , Reynolds is an interesting person. First of all , she was with the ASPSA primarily as a football academic counselor while Butch was coaching. She also worked with Olympic sport jocks but that's neither here nor there. E-mails prove she was a direct liaison between players and Nyangoro. She worked with 'im directly on getting assignments for the morons she was responsible for. Obviously , that includes the paper classes , half-azzed term papers , Independent Study , the whole nine. Thing is , she filed an age-discrimination grievance vs unx when Davis booted her because he wanted a younger chick ( Reynolds was in her mid-50's ) for "recruiting purposes." That said , she lost her suit. Here's where it gets hinky. She's out of a job and received bupkiss from unx. She was an "at-will" ( non-faculty ) employee. If that's not a person who knows too much with an axe to grind I don't know who is. So what happens? As the link shows , she ends up with a new gig at a new school. A school that , coincidentally , is the alma mater of Jack Evans. Another potential whistle-blower taken care of. #carolinaway
 
More on the Malik Simmons arrest....


Andrew Carter‏@_andrewcarter

... At some point, there was a gun shot fired. Allen Artis and Donnie Miles, two other unc football players, were also at the scene ...

Andrew Carter@_andrewcarter

At some point someone fired a gun, Mecimore said. unclear who but doesn't appear to be a unc athlete. Case is still under investigation.

Dave ‏@Dpanther12

@_andrewcarter How is this just now coming out? Zero confidence in a legit investigation at this point.

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@Dpanther12 @_andrewcarter @macwfnz @TBoneWFNZ @wfnz #TarheelSmitty #coverup #carolinaway

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BTW , Miles also involved in the Aloft Hotel beat-down of walk-on Jackson Boyer. Jus' sayin.'
 
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Nothing to see here boys, regular students were shot at too.......
 
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Posted: Yesterday 8:21 PM

unc Football involved firearm use? Franklin St

Chapel Hill Police Incident/Investigatioh Report ORI NC 0680100 OCA 1509154 Dated 7/22
References unc football players Jaye Stackhouse, Donnie Miles, Aloen Artis, and Travis Hughes.
Firearm discharged.
 
Cravey is a professor at unx...


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Nothing like a professor insulting me on Twitter, agreeing to face me in person, then ignoring my email. Talking about you, @LocoCravey.

Altha Cravey @LocoCravey

Happy to meet in person and go on record about unc scandal. Tell me when and where. I'm not ignoring any email.

Altha Cravey @LocoCravey

This scandal will end when unc admins show some leadership and transparency.

Coaching the Mind @BethelLearning

My position still same but changed terms. Saying scandal wasn't "athletics-driven" more precise than saying just "athletics" or "academic."

Altha Cravey @LocoCravey

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Posted: Today 8:06 PM

Re: unc Scandal I _____ hate unc!

I don't know if anyone will believe me when I say this but several people need to write NCAA officials and get them to remove 2 men from the Committee On Infractions during the unc case. Those two would be Sankar Suryanarayan (Princeton's general counsel) and Michael Adams (former University of Georgia chancellor who sat on the NCAA Knight Commission with Bill Friday).

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1INFRACTION

I read Onlineathens.com most days and I can tell you the university has the same thing going on that goes on in North carolina. For instance, Michael Adams and others were being sued for ruining the career of a tenured professor who chose to say a few negative things about the university. Yesterday, the case was tossed out of court by a judge with a degree from unc Chapel Hill.

http://onlineathens.com/uga/2015-07...awsuit-against-attorney-general-uga-officials

Fulton County State Court Judge Susan Edlein. unc Chapel Hill alum.

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/susan-edlein/8/24/834

The chief judge in Athens is Ethelyn Simpson. unc Chapel Hill alum.

http://ballotpedia.org/Ethelyn_N._Simpson

Michael Adams comes to the committee with a bias at helping his friends in Chapel Hill. They've helped him several times in issues involving court cases. Why is unc so arrogant about how they'll skate with light penalties from the NCAA? These guys need to know someone is watching to see who is corrupt and helping unc.
 
"Apple don't fall too far." "Third time's the charm...?"


Sources: SMU's Larry Brown facing 'lack of coach control' charge from NCAA

Southern Methodist University went before the NCAA Committee on Infractions last month for a hearing related to serious allegations against the men's basketball and golf programs, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports.

SMU men's basketball coach Larry Brown is facing a "lack of coach control" charge, sources said. The SMU men's basketball program is also facing an academic misconduct charge related to coursework by former guard Keith Frazier.

This is the third time the Hall of Famer has had his program face major NCAA charges. After previous infractions at UCLA and Kansas, both of those programs were hit with major sanctions.

Sources told Yahoo Sports that SMU had a multi-day hearing with the NCAA Committee on Infractions in late June. The first day focused on the golf allegations. The second day focused on men's basketball.

At particular issue is the role of former SMU assistant coach Ulric Maligi and a basketball secretary in allegedly assisting Frazier with coursework. Maligi took an indefinite leave from the program in January 2015. Frazier played for the Mustangs during the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons before he was deemed "academically ineligible" in January 2015 and missed the rest of the season. There has been no clarification yet as to his status for the 2015-16 season, but Frazier has not left the program.

At issue with Brown is what he knew about Frazier's situation, and what he did about it. In recent case precedent, the NCAA has suspended head coaches for multiple games. Most recently, Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim was hit with a nine-game suspension that will be served in the 2015-16 season. Syracuse is appealing that decision.

Brown's record at SMU is 69-34 in three seasons. Last season, he took the Mustangs to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1993.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...ontrol--charge-from-ncaa-023341831-ncaab.html
 
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"Apple don't fall too far." "Third time's the charm...?"


Sources: SMU's Larry Brown facing 'lack of coach control' charge from NCAA

Southern Methodist University went before the NCAA Committee on Infractions last month for a hearing related to serious allegations against the men's basketball and golf programs, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports.

SMU men's basketball coach Larry Brown is facing a "lack of coach control" charge, sources said. The SMU men's basketball program is also facing an academic misconduct charge related to coursework by former guard Keith Frazier.

This is the third time the Hall of Famer has had his program face major NCAA charges. After previous infractions at UCLA and Kansas, both of those programs were hit with major sanctions.

Sources told Yahoo Sports that SMU had a multi-day hearing with the NCAA Committee on Infractions in late June. The first day focused on the golf allegations. The second day focused on men's basketball.

At particular issue is the role of former SMU assistant coach Ulric Maligi and a basketball secretary in allegedly assisting Frazier with coursework. Maligi took an indefinite leave from the program in January 2015. Frazier played for the Mustangs during the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons before he was deemed "academically ineligible" in January 2015 and missed the rest of the season. There has been no clarification yet as to his status for the 2015-16 season, but Frazier has not left the program.

At issue with Brown is what he knew about Frazier's situation, and what he did about it. In recent case precedent, the NCAA has suspended head coaches for multiple games. Most recently, Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim was hit with a nine-game suspension that will be served in the 2015-16 season. Syracuse is appealing that decision.

Brown's record at SMU is 69-34 in three seasons. Last season, he took the Mustangs to the NCAA tournament for the first time since 1993.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source...ontrol--charge-from-ncaa-023341831-ncaab.html
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An assistant coach helps one player cheat to stay eligible. The NCAA comes after the head coach to find out what he knows and tosses out "lack of coach control."

My question: Why has none of this happened at UNC when:

1) An assistant coach is known to have steered players to a fake major in order to remain eligible

2) This wasn't one player, but rather many players over a 20 year period
 
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Posted: Today 2:15 AM

Re: Larry Brown: Facing Lack Of Control Charge

Well that didn't take long. He's consistent if nothing else. Sad to see, especially since he holds ill will towards unc for not hiring him as head coach. At least i can say I fully believe Roy does things the right way. LB just doesn't. Imagine the mess he would've brought!


Unreal. Hole fans can read a single article about Larry Brown's alleged indiscretions and buy it all....hook , line and sinker. "Yep. Larry's a unx alum but unfortunately he just doesn't do things the right way. He cheats." But smack 'em in the face with 4+ years of absolute PROOF that unx's corruption stretches back decades and they refuse to believe a word of it. "Imagine the mess he would've brought?!?!?!" Larry's a scumbag but would he have created a bigger "mess" than the one unx is currently mired in?

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Couple of recent posts from the "COMMENTS" section of a previously-linked blog from unx alum Bob Lee. The first one confirms what many of us have long believed about ESPN honcho/unx alum John Skipper. "TGU" = "The Great Unpleasantness" "TCW" = "The Carolina Way..."


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It won’t happen but it would be awesome for John Skipper to invite Governor Martin to appear on the Flagship to speak on this “new” news. I’d just enjoy watching the twerking done by the PC code talkers in the Old South Building more than than the interview. It might not happen but there’s nutin wrong with dreaming. Might as well get JSR, Jay, & Mary in on the hoot too.

BOBLEE

Skipper is walking a thin line with how he promotes TGU on ESPN. It certainly has “a roadkill appeal” to national sports fans; but Skipper is a pretty hard-core TCW believer. Interesting to see how he juggles that.



This one , again , is a confirmation of sorts. Many have believed the ex-governor's participation in the whitewash tainted his legacy. They're right...



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NOTE: This is a reprint from a comment to the Lissa Broome column.

I had always had a great deal of respect for Jim Martin, I had a close family member who attended Davidson and he thought Martin was a good guy. I have always thought of Davidson as a model for how education and athletics should be balanced. I have always had a high regard for the people I have known who graduated from the school. Recently, however, Tom Ross and Jim Martin have dampened my enthusiam. I thought as a politician, Jim Martin was honest, earnest and a bit naive but did a good job as governor, though somewhat moderate for my taste. His handling of the investigation, review or whatever regarding TGU was a disaster, I thought it was basically a whitewash to try to save Thorp’s job. He was/is correct in saying that as an academic scandal it was far worse than an athletic scandal, but it was both, and even us culturally starved “Wuffies” could see that. I do believe that a proper response from the unc administration BOG, BOT, Chancellor, Governor, to acknowledge the seriousness of just the academic issues alone, with an admission that athletics had benefited then responded by instituting penalties, they could have brought an end to all this. They instead made the decision to stonewall till hell freezes over, and “ya” know it just might.

BOBLEE

Everyone who had known Jim Martin thru his career at Davidson and his political career speaks glowingly of him in all the ways that matter. Whether he was “duped”…. “hoodwinked” …. “bamboozled” … or simply “used” by unc; his legacy is now forever stained by this. The Martin Report will be mentioned in his eulogy / obituary. He does not have the time / opportunity to undo it.

I was there when he gave his Report to the BOT three years ago. It was “painful”. He seemed to age before our eyes as he tried to explain the unexplainable. It was like watching ice cream melt….

http://bobleesays.com/2015/07/25/jim-martins-misinformation-was-misinterpreted/
 
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You guys are off on Jim Martin. He is a great guy. Bashing him with pure skepticism is ridiculous. UNC offered him virtually zero help: he thought they'd provide him with a committee, but no. They left him alone and with no direction. To even insinuate he is part of a cover up is irresponsible and wrong.
 
For you to act like this taints his legacy is foolish. The man has accomplished far greater things than handling this scandal to your satisfaction, from playing tuba in the symphony to creating better roads for our state and fighting for equal rights. The man's list of accomplishments is crazy. Even wis wife's idea to plant wildflowers along NC interstates is a more meaningful contribution. Jim Martin is as honest and as forthright as they come. He may have been set up, but believing this taints his legacy says more about you than it does about him.

I have been a die hard Duke fan since the first time I saw Johnny Dawkins sling a jump shot. And I admit that I have followed your dogged pursuit of this scandal with interest. When Dean Smith coached the Pan Am team I cheered for Russia (not proud about that, but I was a kid), so I've taken a perverse joy in watching UNC's fall. And you may well be an expert in the field in the history of this scandal, but you don't know Governor Martin at all, obviously. Don't stoop to the level of speculation when you've done an outstanding job of presenting us with facts. If you're gonna take on Governor Martin's legacy then do more than read someone's ill-informed opinion or try to read between media report lines. He's not a UNC lackey.
 
Incorrect. He did not help whitewash. At best he was used. He did not lie. He regretted the way his information was spun. He did not have to "come clean."
 
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Incorrect. He did not help whitewash.
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Yes he did. He labelled the scandal purely academic: "This was not an athletic scandal. It was an academic scandal." He relied on incorrect information and made a statement that is pretty clearly wrong, yet he deserves a pass? Again, I think it's honorable of him to admit he was wrong years later, but he essentially rubber-stamped the subsequent spin campaign UNC put on the entire scandal.
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he may have believed what his was told
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Which was foolish.
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but his integrity was not compromised.
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No, just his judgment.
 
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Incorrect. He did not help whitewash. At best he was used. He did not lie. He regretted the way his information was spun. He did not have to "come clean."
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Obviously you seem to have a personal stake in this. Does the 'Martin' part of your handle have any relationship to Gov. Martin? And whether it does or not, just why are we to believe that he didn't 'whitewash'...or that he was 'only used'? Because you say so, with absolutely no proof to back that up.

You mentioned in an earlier post of his accomplishments (even though you're reaching a little with tuba playing), and that we should keep that in mind. But just as we can keep accomplishments in mind...that doesn't totally excuse failures.

Jim Martin was the governor of NC. He endorsed, and passed numerous bills while in office. So he's not a stranger with researching information. He's an intelligent man, and knows how to get things done. So, what happened? He had access to all the info. Did he not take the time to dig deep enough...and if so...why not? Did he just take the word of the UNC administration...and if he did...again, why? Or did he just rubberstamp it, and if he did...again, why? I think the most logical conclusion is staring us in the face.

Governor Martin signed his name to many laws he passed in the state of NC, and he put his name on his report about UNC too. He's also had almost 3 years to clarify any errors or that he 'misspoke' before now...but he didn't make much of an effort to do that. He's now doing what UNC has been doing for 5 years...damage control...PR spin...whatever you want to call it. Believe what you want to believe, but the information we have speaks far more about what probably happened than someone's blind belief.

I made some jpegs of the 1st page of Governor Martin's report (below this paragraph). It seems pretty clear to everyone that he had access...totally unrestriced, help from Baker Tilley (if wanted or needed), etc. Govenor Martin made it concrete what he thought, and made mention of the mechanism for how he came to that conclusion. He signed the 'bill'...it's got his name on it, and he owns it. No amount of spin will change that.

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Obviously you seem to have a personal stake in this. Does the 'Martin' part of your handle have any relationship to Gov. Martin? And whether it does or not, just why are we to believe that he didn't 'whitewash'...or that he was 'only used'? Because you say so, with absolutely no proof to back that up.

You mentioned in an earlier post of his accomplishments (even though you're reaching a little with tuba playing), and that we should keep that in mind. But just as we can keep accomplishments in mind...that doesn't totally excuse failures.

Jim Martin was the governor of NC. He endorsed, and passed numerous bills while in office. So he's not a stranger with researching information. He's an intelligent man, and knows how to get things done. So, what happened? He had access to all the info. Did he not take the time to dig deep enough...and if so...why not? Did he just take the word of the UNC administration...and if he did...again, why? Or did he just rubberstamp it, and if he did...again, why? I think the most logical conclusion is staring us in the face.

Governor Martin signed his name to many laws he passed in the state of NC, and he put his name on his report about UNC too. He's also had almost 3 years to clarify any errors or that he 'misspoke' before now...but he didn't make much of an effort to do that. He's now doing what UNC has been doing for 5 years...damage control...PR spin...whatever you want to call it. Believe what you want to believe, but the information we have speaks far more about what probably happened than someone's blind belief.

I made some jpegs of the 1st page of Governor Martin's report (below this paragraph). It seems pretty clear to everyone that he had access...totally unrestriced, help from Baker Tilley (if wanted or needed), etc. Govenor Martin made it concrete what he thought, and made mention of the mechanism for how he came to that conclusion. He signed the 'bill'...it's got his name on it, and he owns it. No amount of spin will change that.

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I'm gonna let it go on Governor Martin. Just wanted to add my two cents. I probably should have done so more delicately; it's easy to get carried away behind a keyboard. He may have been naive or foolish. I don't know. I'm just telling you he is a stand up guy to the extreme.

I'm out. I'll give this board back to the regulars. I enjoy reading opinions and scoops on the forum daily. Sorry about the whole Russia thing. Probably one of those things you shouldn't tell people... But I was so sick of UNC already... Common situation of a kid taking things for granted. Question my maturity as a 10 or 11 year old, but there's no questioning my love for Duke in the slightest. Peace.
 
Just looked it up. I was 2 1/2 years old when Dean coached them, which means I probably wasn't actively rooting against USA but maybe cheered for the wrong team and my Dad made fun of me. And the memory took on a life as I aged. So...maybe I'm off the hook?...
 
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I'm gonna let it go on Governor Martin. Just wanted to add my two cents. I probably should have done so more delicately; it's easy to get carried away behind a keyboard. He may have been naive or foolish. I don't know. I'm just telling you he is a stand up guy to the extreme.

I'm out. I'll give this board back to the regulars. I enjoy reading opinions and scoops on the forum daily. Sorry about the whole Russia thing. Probably one of those things you shouldn't tell people... But I was so sick of UNC already... Common situation of a kid taking things for granted. Question my maturity as a 10 or 11 year old, but there's no questioning my love for Duke in the slightest. Peace.
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I think you've been treated fairly, D24, Mark and I didn't savagely attack you. We presented our opinions (with a few known facts) against your opinion...and I think we responded in a reasonable manner.
Now 'DevilDJ' might tear you a new one when he finds your posts. He's not one to pussyfoot around.:D And he knows as much about this scandal as almost anyone.

I don't know Governor Martin personally (don't know about Mark), and so I don't have an emotional attachment to the man. If I knew him well, or perhaps kin to him, it would be more difficult to give an unbiased opinion of him. And we're all biased to a certain degree. It's why someone should always recuse themselves where there is a possible conflict of interest...and I think that applied to Governor Martin (being a former governor of the state of which UNC is the supposedly flagship university of). Too many political ties with UNC grads.

Don't think anyone will hold anything against you for what happened 35 or 40 years ago when you were a kid. We're a pretty decent bunch on here...we've all done a lot of things we've regretted when we were kids (hell, even now).

So, in closing, even though we disagree, you've been cordial...that means quite a bit when posting on here

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