It’s also on espn I think. Atleast the scrimmages and strength and agility for the article I read .
Story on Trevor Keels/final scholarship
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Baptism by fire baby . In all honesty I think there’s a plan in place for experience but I’m all for giving a multi year kid a little minutes as a freshman . The last week of this month will be interesting. When do kids have to enroll in summer school or school at a university?
If Blakes blows up in year two that would be a nice boost for the team. Him and Roach could be a nice 2 PG rotation if Blakes is ready to go. He did look good very early in the season. Unlikely but possible. I get the feeling Jon would have played him a bit more, but we had Roach, Moore and Keels. Blakes would have been a sought after transfer had he chosen that route. A top 100 guy. If Keels comes back that will limit his minutes.
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If Blakes blows up on a year, he’ll declare for the draft, as per Duke basketball protocol
If Keels doesn't return or we don't add a high impact 2 or 3 guard, I see next years team not having a high ceiling, and being pretty limited in a lot of ways. If that happens, my expectations will be pretty low. Hope I'm wrong if that happens.
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I agree if Duke doesn’t get Keels back or a impact transfer they will have no bench. Blakes, Schutt, Baker, Catchings and Young. The starting 5 might have play like UNC last year minutes.
Having the top recruiting class is great. But for the love of God we need to surround them with more than just Roach. Esp. considering what the Kentuckys and North Carolinas have returning. Both teams will probably add another transfer. I do think Young can help, but we really need one more experienced guy.
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Can't say I understand this. Not that you're necessarily wrong, but it just shouldn't be the case. We don't have a Paolo type coming in. I'm sure Whitehead will have some big scoring games, but I doubt he will be consistent. And our highest ranked recruit will probably be a 9 and 8 type of guy. We could literally bring in a guy who could be our leading scorer next year. That is very possible and transfers should be able to see that.
I do think the Keels situation may make some transfers leery.
On a separate note, I think Schutt could be more valuable than expected based on his ranking.
NIL is why I think the freshman play a big key in a big time portal recruit coming to Duke . IMO they take up the bulk of the NIL exposure at Duke . I honestly do believe Keels never declares if his NIL money was more then 250,00( second round league minimum).
Look who Baylor chose over the blue bloods he had offers from . Not to mention Duke is with out an experienced sg as all of us have pointed out.
As soon as players start returning from declaring we will see where they land .
Unc got bacot, Davis and love over 1 mil in nil for next year, if we can’t keels that..welp
Yeah I think that is pretty much the bottom line. The administration is more concerned about the image of Duke for academics than deep pockets for NIL $$$.
That's a sound philosophy, but how serious are the OAD's about academics anyway??? In most cases, a team of talented holdovers (kept together by school maxing NIL deals) is going to beat a lineup of primarily freshmen and sophomores where huge NIL deals are frowned upon.
21-22 year old age talent is bigger, better, and more familiar w/one another than 18-19 year old talent. After careful consideration, I am thoroughly convinced we need an "old" 2 guard hotshot portal stud. Keels will never be better than a fair outside shooter, and we can't win it all or get to FF again w/just ONE OUTSIDE SHOOTER.(See Griffin). However can Duke entice such a player w/o said NIL inducements???
Everything comes down to money in life it seems. Like it or not UNC is running ahead of us currently in the "arms" race so to speak.
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Why do you say Duke is not concerned about NIL? From what I have read recently, Duke has not yet finalized its NIL program for its players. Who knows, the final Duke policy may be better and certainly more legal than the Cheats'.
Just from some things I have read DI. I do not think it will be an impacting point of emphasis for us.
The fact WE'VE NOT finalized our NIL plan also shows we're dragging our feet. I have NO DOUBT our plan however will be ethically sound, and "certainly more legal than the Cheats."
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And you don't think that the fact that Bacot was not on any draft boards, and that Davis was predicted to either go in the second round or go undrafted factored into their decisions? The handwringing on this board is pretty amazing. We have the #1 recruiting class coming in and while there may be a need at the 2 guard, how many teams can say that they are covered at every position? Not to mention, for those of you complaining about K not developing his bench and losing players as a result, the only way to develop the bench is to actually let them play, which does not happen if there is a five star at each position.
Or it shows that we are adapting to what is out there and making sure we do so in an ethical way and consistent with the university's standards.
I took into consideration per UNC's kids not on the draft boards. Nonetheless, they kept 'em from going to any other school for better deals. Rams Club, Hubie and Athletic Dept didn't want those kids shopping around.
Per the vacant two guard opening at the moment? I care about it because it's DUKE, and could give a flip about most other schools line-up status. OFC
I am proud of this methodology as well. I simply think a COMPETITIVE package should ALREADY BE IN PLACE. OFC
Bacot is also doing an appearance on the show filmed in the outer banks lol
IF and I understand that's a big IF we don't get Keels or an impactful two guard, who are we starting outside of the four five stars?
I just don't agree that Duke is lagging behind on NIL. Did anyone see the car that Roach is driving this year? Not the Ford Pinto I drove in college I can assure you. I also understand the presentation recruits get from Duke about NIL opportunities is first rate. I forget which recruit said it, but he said the Duke presentation was head and shoulders above anyone else.
My sense is either Keels will come back or another guard will be brought in and we'll be where we always are, competing with the best.
My sense is either Keels will come back or another guard will be brought in and we'll be where we always are, competing with the best.
Jimbo good question. Slide Whitehead to two, and insert Mitchell front line?? Roach only upperclassmen. Too much youth. OFC
If Keels comes back we are good to go. My impression based on the limited info we have is that Duke does not offer as much NIL as other schools. Our appeal is a quick path to the NBA. Which helps in recruiting kids from high school. If Keels goes my guess is we will have trouble reeling in a top transfer SG, more due to NIL than anything else. No one is downplaying our recruiting class, which is great. But we need balance, like we had this year. Roach and 4 freshman have way too many question marks. We need one more upperclassman. Even a solid, senior, shooting specialist could be helpful if we whiff on the studs. It will play out in the next 2 weeks.
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I think we all understand with Bacot and Davis, but what about Caleb Love. There was a possibility of him being drafted much higher than those two and he took very little time in deciding to come back.
I don't think there is handwringing, but it is worth a discussion related to our fringe guys still leaving. I like the Duke recruiting philosophy, but we are still able to ask the questions about getting guys from the portal and NIL.
I don’t know if we’re head and shoulders above tbh, uk got there center 2mil, Texas got there starting rb a lambo
Someone will have to read his lines for him
Yeah I would assume Dariq at the 2 and Mitchell to the 3. I agree that's a bit more youth than what is ideal, but If the cards fall that way- I don't see how the four freshman do not start. I'm still holding onto hope AJ Green comes on board. We shall see!
Are there any pure shooters in the portal? Green would be option one, but he may want to play for his dad. Like a 6th man senior sniper type who may not be as highly rated. Schutt may be a year away from being reliable. The draft combine is the 18th thru the 22nd, so Keels should know by then. As people on DBR have noted, if guys like Green plan visits to Duke after that that will be an indicator.
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Duke may do it differently but there is a wealthy alumni base and hoops is king in Durham, so I bet the kids are made aware that the money is there. We are recruiting and signing an awful lot of talent for a school that is supposedly lagging behind.
I have no doubt we will add a shooting guard.
However, one thing that occurs to me is that the youth issue goes away by the time the Tournament rolls around. I mean our freshmen played almost 35 games by the time they got to the tournament, most of them in front of big crowds with lots of pressure on them. Compare that to a junior on a mid major that plays maybe 8 games a year in front of a big crowd. The point being, with freshmen we might take our lumps but by tourney time we might be ready to roll. Look at the Cheaters this year, they struggled until it really mattered and the lower seed didn't really phase them.
However, one thing that occurs to me is that the youth issue goes away by the time the Tournament rolls around. I mean our freshmen played almost 35 games by the time they got to the tournament, most of them in front of big crowds with lots of pressure on them. Compare that to a junior on a mid major that plays maybe 8 games a year in front of a big crowd. The point being, with freshmen we might take our lumps but by tourney time we might be ready to roll. Look at the Cheaters this year, they struggled until it really mattered and the lower seed didn't really phase them.
I'm not sure AJ was ready to roll in the final four but I see your point.
If AJ wasn't ready, it wasn't because of his being a freshman! For that matter, Joey wasn't ready either.
We talk about being physically ready but there is a mental side of it as well. We have to expect 4 years of development in less than one year. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I know Mark missed foul shots, but him and Wendell and Roach were pretty consistent for us in our stretch run, and that consistency (and Banchero) got us to the final four. . One of our three highly rated freshman were consistent. It just is what it is.
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My point, which was clearly not artfully written, is there are a lot of reasons someone isn't "ready" to contribute at a high level come March/April, and being a freshman is only one factor. I'd still rather have 4 five star freshman at that point than 4 two star juniors, if that's the choice.
I'd rather have Roach, Steward, Brakefield and Coleman as juniors, and then a 5 star freshman center like Lively. But clearly that isn't happening ha.
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