Pat Forde: On Probation vs. Under Investigation: Final Four marred by schools with scandals

[dukiejay]

Here's a piece from Pat Forde at Yahoo.com. I enjoyed the following paragraph.

"In mid-August, North Carolina went Four Corners on the NCAA and delayed its endlessly ongoing academic fraud case until after this promising season was complete. Dean Smith would have been proud of the stall ball: The school announced that it found additional violations in women’s basketball and men’s soccer that would delay its response to a Notice of Allegations and thus extend the timetable for the entire case."

Here's the full article....

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/on-pro...by-schools-with-scandals-045055152-ncaab.html

 

[HuffyJB]

I think you're going to see several articles like this in the coming week.

 

[DukeDenver]

Bump. I hate stories like this, but if Duke has to put up with the K/Grayson bashing, bring on the trashing of UNC.

 

[df64]

Amazing how Brendan Haywood can sit there and bash K and Grayson on ESPN. You know, the Academic All-American Grayson.

 

[DevilDJ]

Amazing how Brendan Haywood can sit there and bash K and Grayson on ESPN. You know, the Academic All-American Grayson.

 

[df64]

But, but, Grayson Allen runs around Crane Kicking everyone he can find during games. It is amazing that he had any time left to score 21.6/gm. Actually, Grayson has been doing this for over 20 years! Gerald Henderson was framed! That was a 13 y/o Allen sneaking on the court and kicking Hansbrough upside the head. Montross?! I don't even know if Allen was born yet. Doesn't matter. How else do you think he could of gotten that bloody eye. Yup, Crane Kicked by Allen. How in the world do you thing Allen got so smart that he could be an Academic All American? Studying Martial Arts, Geometry, and Physics. That way he could be so efficient at Crane Kicking UNC stars that nobody could see him. Talk about a long running scandal! And, K knew.

 

[skysdad]

I love the part about Dean Smith being proud of the stall ball or four corners. OFC

 

[DukeDenver]

A better article IMO

 

[dukiejay]

A better article IMO

I saw that one last night. A great article. I didn't want to make it seem as though I was piling on...so glad you linked it.

 

[Laettner]

I love the part about Dean Smith being proud of the stall ball or four corners. OFC

Great line by Forde.

 

[Laettner]

A better article IMO

That is one eye opening article. Roy was unaware his entire team enrolled in a shady course of study, sure. No wonder Roy has been on edge about this whole situation, it could bring him and might UNC to it's knees.

 

[HuffyJB]

A better article IMO

That guy drops the hammer!

 

[pisgah101]

So anyone feeling they actually get hit now?

 

[Laettner]

So anyone feeling they actually get hit now?

Only way UNC gets hit is if hard evidence like an e-mail from men's basketball personnel is discovered. That's what sunk Syracuse with grade changing scandal.

 

[pisgah101]

I woulda thought transcripts and a player saying they cheated would be enough lol

 

[jrpross]

So anyone feeling they actually get hit now?

I'd love to see it. But nope. I strongly doubt it.

 

[DukeDenver]

They have been hit already in the minds of reasonable people, including their own alumni.

 

[Showenuff]

Haha good stuff !

 

[hpnole]

Has any other scandal had a book or two written about it before the NCAA acted? It is going to be hard to sweep this under the rug with books written by people who were involved . 'Course this is 'Ol Roy and he can pull rabbits out of hats..

 

[DukeSky85]

Man he layed it down on them in that article. Someone better be protecting that guy

 

[HuffyJB]

It is good for the ACC to have half the Final Four, but a terrible look for it to be two proven dirty programs.

 

[DevilDJ]

Only way UNC gets hit is if hard evidence like an e-mail from men's basketball personnel is discovered. That's what sunk Syracuse with grade changing scandal.

Such a smoking gun could easily exist. Heck , you KNOW it exists. MULTIPLE smoking guns exist. Thing is ,unx has redacted everything within an inch of its life , it's doubtful we'll ever see it. However , the NCAA has seen it. unx had to turn over unedited docs to them. Sure , it's not beyond belief that unx would still not fully comply but if they did then the NCAA has seen it.

 

[skysdad]

Man he layed it down on them in that article. Someone better be protecting that guy

If Pat Forde goes missing. OFC

 

[timo0402]

Another gem if this has not been posted- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-m-smith/college-basketball-an-unhealthy-addiction_b_9463152.html

 

[HuffyJB]

Here is another from national columnist Tim Dahlberg:
http://m.postbulletin.com/sports/na...cle_566e941c-7dcf-5cc3-9a50-a63a9ea8a001.html

 

[DFerryFan]

but, but, but, Roy says he's thankful the basketball team wasn't involved. I wished they'd stop pickin' on him

 

[zJMc09]

Only way UNC gets hit is if hard evidence like an e-mail from men's basketball personnel is discovered. That's what sunk Syracuse with grade changing scandal.

There are emails to and from Wayne Walden that were released. Him speaking to Deborah Crowder about putting redacted into a certain class. IIRC, in the Wainstein Report Walden also admitted to knowing there were irregular classes, AND that Crowder was handling some students grading of papers. If you have Twiter, plenty of nice tidbits direct from data dumps of emails on the @BlueDevilicious account

There is PLENTY of evidence...even the released and redacted evidence, to punish Carolina basketball. Not to mention whatever hasn't been released in the data dumps, plus the non-redacted versions, plus whatever else the NCAA and COI knows. Sadly, we'll never know what documents Carolina "lost" or destroyed that were reported as such to Wainstein. Now...will the NCAA do anything harsh? We shall see. Some of the supposed "insiders" on PackPride think yes, many others are obviously skeptical.

 

[MikeD2891]

What about the list of basketball players over the years who majored in AFAM? Is that list based off of speculation or having seen their transcripts? If it's based off of seeing their transcripts, all you'd have to do is link it up with known AFAM sham courses (because I'm assuming not every single class in that department was a sham course). With the records access that NCAA has, if they end up saying basketball wasn't involved, it will be a complete lie and show that something fishy is going on.

 

[dopeshop23]

But, but, Grayson Allen runs around Crane Kicking everyone he can find during games. It is amazing that he had any time left to score 21.6/gm. Actually, Grayson has been doing this for over 20 years! Gerald Henderson was framed! That was a 13 y/o Allen sneaking on the court and kicking Hansbrough upside the head. Montross?! I don't even know if Allen was born yet. Doesn't matter. How else do you think he could of gotten that bloody eye. Yup, Crane Kicked by Allen. How in the world do you thing Allen got so smart that he could be an Academic All American? Studying Martial Arts, Geometry, and Physics. That way he could be so efficient at Crane Kicking UNC stars that nobody could see him. Talk about a long running scandal! And, K knew.

post of the day, Cheers!

 

[dbav]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...-roy-williams-cannot-escape-cloud-hovers-them

Didn't know if this was posted, but Brennan weighs in as well. I've never felt the basketball team would get hit hard, but I'm hoping this type of press coverage in this quantity puts pressure on the NCAA to be fairly strict.

 

[Showenuff]

Ouch ! NEWS AND OBSERVER ! http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69262627.html

 

[DevilDJ]

Didn't know if this was posted, but Brennan weighs in as well. I've never felt the basketball team would get hit hard, but I'm hoping this type of press coverage in this quantity puts pressure on the NCAA to be fairly strict.

Roy goes down to Houston and both he AND the tarhole nation expect the same type of shameless azz-kissing love affair they have with NC media to continue. Instead , unx's corruption is detailed in story after story reminding hole fans that , contrary to popular belief , this ain't over and , yes , unx is dirty. It's THE only enjoyable aspect of watching them go down there. un x'ers can't even enjoy their ( final? ) moment in the sun. lol

Ouch ! NEWS AND OBSERVER ! http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/unc-scandal/article69262627.html

Dan Kane too. Lulz.

 

[DevilDJ]

 

[DukeRulesBasketball]

It is good for the ACC to have half the Final Four, but a terrible look for it to be two proven dirty programs.

What if Louisville was in the final four along with UNCheat and Cuse? If it weren't for the self imposed ban and depending on what region Louisville got, it wouldn't be far from the realm of possibility.