Never Dive on the Floor

[PatrickYates]

Ever. Never ever. It is an injury waiting to happen. Tre was the smallest guy on the court, by 3-5 inches and about 15ish pounds. Getting loose balls is great, and the announcers love to talk about hustle and putting your body on the line.
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Eff that. Stay on your feet and stay healthy. A healthy Tre and we lose 1-2 games in the ACC. Without him, and we'll lose 3-4 just while he's out.

 

[dukesince91]

Yeah right, and take away their aggressiveness and competitiveness. I'm sure Coach K would agree. Lol

 

[PatrickYates]

Yeah right, and take away their aggressiveness and competitiveness. I'm sure Coach K would agree. Lol

Then why not duck your head and drive and shoot every time you get it? Were we not thrilled with how aggressive and competitive RJ was down the stretch of the Gonzaga game?
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Maybe aggressiveness and competitiveness could be tempered with a smidge of rational thinking.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

That was the kind of play that winners make. Just an unfortunate outcome. You never tell a player not to make a play. Games are determined by 50/50 plays.

 

[lyonhawk]

You’ve got to be kidding with this.

 

[PatrickYates]

That was the kind of play that winners make. Just an unfortunate outcome. You never tell a player not to make a play. Games are determined by 50/50 plays.

I disagree. Letting Jack or Bolden or even Zion dive is one thing. Tre was the smallest person on the court.
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How often are games won or lost by diving on the floor? If you want to use that as some nebulous metric for hustle and desire to win, fine. I don't. How many times is a game won or lost purely because someone dove on the floor for a loose ball?
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Because we are about to find out what happens when a person gets hurt diving on the floor.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

Yeah you are on your own on this one

 

[SoCal_Dukie3]

This has to be a joke. If you don’t dive for loose balls in certain situations, you won’t sniff the court, especially if you are average at best in your game.

 

[Mac9192]

Ever. Never ever. It is an injury waiting to happen. Tre was the smallest guy on the court, by 3-5 inches and about 15ish pounds. Getting loose balls is great, and the announcers love to talk about hustle and putting your body on the line.
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Eff that. Stay on your feet and stay healthy. A healthy Tre and we lose 1-2 games in the ACC. Without him, and we'll lose 3-4 just while he's out.

Patrick, you’re smarter than this. We all hate he got hurt, but hustle and diving on the floor are things champions do.

It bites that he got injured, yes, but when you have time to think about what you posted, you’ll realize you are wrong.

 

[DukefanKY]

Ever. Never ever. It is an injury waiting to happen. Tre was the smallest guy on the court, by 3-5 inches and about 15ish pounds. Getting loose balls is great, and the announcers love to talk about hustle and putting your body on the line.
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Eff that. Stay on your feet and stay healthy. A healthy Tre and we lose 1-2 games in the ACC. Without him, and we'll lose 3-4 just while he's out.

I agree with a ton of your posts....not this one. Doesn't mean I'm right, but I disagree. So would Laettner, Hurley, Hill, Battier, Duhon, Nolan, Cook, Wojo, and .....K

 

[2 skerz 3]

Good Lord, we have fans like Kentucky fans too. Thank goodness they’re very minimal!

 

[DukefanKY]

Good Lord, we have fans like Kentucky fans too. Thank goodness they’re very minimal!

That's way over the top.....way over

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

Sounds like Manny Machado philosophy

 

[dukesince91]

Hell, I guess you should never step off the bus. You might sprain your ankle. Good grief.

 

[crazyduke3]

Hell, I guess you should never step off the bus. You might sprain your ankle. Good grief.

That’s literally happened an all American player couldn’t play in the big game. I can’t remember the details but that has happened lol

 

[PatrickYates]

How many folks lighting me up right now wish that Tre had just stood there? Cuse would have gotten the ball back with Tre in optimal guarding position. And we win by like 25.
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Diving on the court usually doesn't go wrong. But when it does, it goes disastrously, season wreckingly, WRONG.
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Let Tre miss 1-2 weeks. Let UVA possibly wreck us next Saturday. Then let's revisit your opinions about diving after every single loose ball.
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Curry doesn't dive. Bron doesn't dive. Kobe didn't. KD doesn't.
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Those guys obviously aren't competitive. Those guys aren't aggressive.

And those guys certainly aren't successful.

 

[pisgah101]

Hahahahaha just wow

 

[Dad2ze]

Grayson doesn’t dive for the loose ball in the Natty and we don’t hang a banner. Facts.

 

[Shatterthesky22]

You gotta dive sometimes. Maybe just don't have a thug like Howard
Ram his shoulder in to you. I'm still fuming. I can take a loss, it not an ill-gotten one like this. I hope Tre is back for the rematch, if he is it's gonna be an all-out slaughter at the Dome.

 

[DukeDenver]

He might should have glanced up at the situation waiting just passed the ball but you have to dive for that every time. Just turn your body like the other guy did.

 

[hart2chesson]

I've seen some posts in my time, but honestly cannot believe this one. Hes a very respected and knowledgeable poster, but this is WAY OUT THERE.....

 

[OldasdirtDevil]

Shit happens.

OFC

 

[FearTheBeard]

Shit happens.

OFC

This sums it up pretty well.

 

[skysdad]

Our mods are busy enough taking out the troll trash tonight without having to deal with a thread like this from our own fan base. I'm sorry Patrick. I really enjoy you as a poster but I wish you had not started this thread. I hope you did it because of frustraction in reaction to the injury to Tre. Hope this is locked up soon. OFC

 

[Laettner15]

Hindsight is 20/20... he could have dove for that ball and 9 times out of 10 he wouldn’t get hurt... it’s the nature of the game.. just like if he were to drive to the basket and do something. These kids are competitors, you can’t ask them to just stand straight up for a 50/50 ball and not fight for it.

 

[FearTheBeard]

These kids are competitors, you can’t ask them to just stand straight up for a 50/50 ball and not fight for it.

If they did, K would pull them at the next timeout and they’d be on the bench.

 

[Laettner15]

If they did, K would pull them at the next timeout and they’d be on the bench.

Exactly!

 

[skysdad]

How many folks lighting me up right now wish that Tre had just stood there? Cuse would have gotten the ball back with Tre in optimal guarding position. And we win by like 25.
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Diving on the court usually doesn't go wrong. But when it does, it goes disastrously, season wreckingly, WRONG.
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Let Tre miss 1-2 weeks. Let UVA possibly wreck us next Saturday. Then let's revisit your opinions about diving after every single loose ball.
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Curry doesn't dive. Bron doesn't dive. Kobe didn't. KD doesn't.
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Those guys obviously aren't competitive. Those guys aren't aggressive.

And those guys certainly aren't successful.

Patrick are you sure your account hasn't been hacked somehow by a heel fan? Surely you don't feel this way. Maybe there is some way one of our mods can delete the whole thing. I just can't believe a Duke fan in his right mind could feel thiscway. OFC

 

[hart2chesson]

I remember a well known NFL qb NOT DIVING for his own fumble in the Super Bowl a few yrs ago. Probably cost them the title.

OFC

 

[Dattier]

 

[Dukeman]

If you are a college player and don’t dive for a loose ball not only K but any good coach will let you know that is unacceptable.


Winners go all out. Losers are spectators in those situations.


Just a ridiculous thread.

 

[Mpm277]

Is it too early to vote this worst thread of the year?

 

[dukehokie]

Is it too early to vote this worst thread of the year?

Precisely why it’s not being locked yet. This is getting the spanking it deserves.

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

Yeah you are on your own on this one

No, I'm with him as well, at least generally. A player has to understand the risk-reward of anything he does on the court. I've never thought that guys diving on the court or leaping into the stands made any sense. Not only does it rarely make a difference on that specific play, or make any difference in the game overall, but it raises the risk of something really bad happening like it did tonight.

Whatever. Love Tre, hope he's back. We're all pretty salty at this point so I'm logging off.

 

[Dattier]

If by "salty" you mean "blind drunk," I agree that two of you are.

 

[DiehardDukeFan4Life]

When Tre dove for the ball, initially he was the only player going after the bell bug then the Syracuse player dove after the ball after Tre has already dove for the ball snd basically had possession. If they had dove simultaneously then I MIGHT could see an argument for it being an unnecessary risk but even then any good/great player is going to try their best to keep get the ball/keep the play alive. In situations like that you don’t think/expect to get hurt/injured. I would compare this to when Kyrie got hurt, yeah I know the way they got were different situations/circumstances but the principle is the same because they were both doing what they needed to do to try to help Duke win the game. When Kyrie drove to the basket on the play that he got hurt, do you think that he thought at any point “maybe I shouldn’t drive to the basket because I MIGHT get hurt”? Like several others have said, if a player doesn’t make an effort to go after the ball in that situation then any good coach would bench the player before the player could blink. It sucks that Tre got injured but I appreciate/respect the effort that he gave on the play and the time he was in the game before he got injured. He did have 2 points, 2 assists and 4 steals in the 5-6 minutes that he played. All we can do is hope that it isn’t too severe and he’s able to return sooner rather than later once he’s healed and at 100%.

 

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[LetsGoDuke301]

I disagree. Letting Jack or Bolden or even Zion dive is one thing. Tre was the smallest person on the court.
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How often are games won or lost by diving on the floor? If you want to use that as some nebulous metric for hustle and desire to win, fine. I don't. How many times is a game won or lost purely because someone dove on the floor for a loose ball?
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Because we are about to find out what happens when a person gets hurt diving on the floor.

You can't turn instinct on and off. Last night's loss sucks. The loss of Tre for an extended period of time really really sucks. But you aren't being reasonable.

To your question. Games are very often won by 50/50 plays, as I said earlier. You can never say that a player diving after a ball early in the game was the reason they won the game. But when you look back at the team who put more effort into going after loose balls, each one of those hustle plays count. They call it putting your body on the line for a reason. Had he not been hurt, he'd be recieving praise for his hustle and his effort.

Basically, it just sucks losing him. It doesn't suck that he dove for the ball. You can look at it like we wouldn't have lost him had he not dove for the ball, but life doesn't work that way. No such thing as what might have been, that's a waste of time.

 

[QC Dukie]

Worst post in the history of this board......period! Good lord

 

[Nivram50]

Ever. Never ever. It is an injury waiting to happen. Tre was the smallest guy on the court, by 3-5 inches and about 15ish pounds. Getting loose balls is great, and the announcers love to talk about hustle and putting your body on the line.
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Eff that. Stay on your feet and stay healthy. A healthy Tre and we lose 1-2 games in the ACC. Without him, and we'll lose 3-4 just while he's out.

This is either a joke - or you never seriously played a sport at a level higher than 5U soccer.