He hits a shot or two yest in the first half and the announcers start breathing heavy like a 13 yr old watching their first porno. Much less talented version of Xavier McDaniel
NCAA round of 32 official game day thread- Duke vs Tennessee
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True but I feel he should have a good game against an inferior opponent. Also we got to a huge lead and you can play a little more relaxed on your jump shots. Just think he's an ok player now but nothing to gush about like what the announcers were doing. I hope he proves me wrong at the next level
Duke football for sure. Basketball, I will have to wait and see. Depends upon who comes back, if anyone. OFC
Did not seem to me that he has that good of an all around game. Not a first-rate defender by any means. Duke definitely played better with Mitchell in. So losing Dariq, to me , would not be that big a deal. OFC
Hard to say how much the injury effected Whitehead. Mitchell definitely impressed me a lot more this season.
He really should come back imo. if he's as good as a play by play analyst acts after he hits a 3 then he didn't even come close to scratching the surface of his potential. Obviously injuries set him back, but he never found himself this season. I know "potential" is the key word here as that's what the NBA drafts on but if he is really that good then how could he not go higher next year if he had a really strong sophomore year?
Who saw him in high school? anyone have any thoughts on his game pre-Duke?
To me it should be a no brainer that Mitchell and Whitehead should come back. Everyone else bolting I could understand.
Other than he was a top 5 high school guy I didnt see it. He is a jump shooter. Potential, but he played for 3 months. What if he has poor workouts? Mitchell is a better defender and is more physical.
Bilas after the game
"“That Tennessee-Duke game that your referencing, that was not a basketball game. It was a hockey game. It was officiated like a hockey game,” Bilas said. “There were fouls that were flagrant fouls that were not called flagrant. I can’t understand why. I’ve talked to several officials about it and all of them seem to agree that that should not have happened that way, but we’re seeing that more-and-more.”
"“That Tennessee-Duke game that your referencing, that was not a basketball game. It was a hockey game. It was officiated like a hockey game,” Bilas said. “There were fouls that were flagrant fouls that were not called flagrant. I can’t understand why. I’ve talked to several officials about it and all of them seem to agree that that should not have happened that way, but we’re seeing that more-and-more.”
Manek for the cheats last year got disqualified for a lot less than what Tennessee did. If I were Flip when I came back in someone would have gotten a elbow. Laettner would not have let this go down with out a fight.
I was talking to a buddy about this today. Told him I remember Dunleavy catching a very cheap shot in 01. GT big gave him an intentional elbow to the mouth at the FT lane. He left the game with a bloody lip. The next time or so down court, Boozer was jogging by the same GT guy, and gave him a quick one right back. Boozer was T’d up. He didn’t sit long. My respect for Boozer grew.
The other time was when K started some bench kid against Wake Forest. His job? Harass the shit out of Chris Paul, and get called for a foul. He did. That kid come off the court like he’d hit the game winner. The bench gave him high fives. Prosser was pissed. It was done because Paul was a dirty player.
K sent a message the same way Booz did.
Someone should have clotheslined Plavsic Saturday. And showed Barnes we can play football too.
The other time was when K started some bench kid against Wake Forest. His job? Harass the shit out of Chris Paul, and get called for a foul. He did. That kid come off the court like he’d hit the game winner. The bench gave him high fives. Prosser was pissed. It was done because Paul was a dirty player.
K sent a message the same way Booz did.
Someone should have clotheslined Plavsic Saturday. And showed Barnes we can play football too.
Catchings is a strong kid. Send him in to Kurt Rambis their *** lol.
You have to show the reffs that it's going to get out of hand if you don't start calling fouls. We could have used Danny Meagher
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Duke should have given Reaves 4-5 minutes of PT and Blakes 5-7 minutes. Both could have gotten in a few licks. I love the job Coach has done but he needs to start getting on some refs.
Kids just aren’t as tough as they were 20-30 years ago. Hell I got tossed from a game when I was 8 years old. My dad was telling my oldest brother (14) at breakfast to make his fouls count, so I knocked the hell out of the other kid that afternoon. I didn’t know I couldn’t shove the kid in the back on a fast break. I also got tossed in a JV basketball game. I left the bench and tackled a guy at half court after he had elbowed and bloodied my teammates nose with a cheap shot. My coach had me go change and sit on the bus. My dad walked on the bus and I figured he was going to let me have it. He said he was proud of me and the rest of my teammates should have left the bench. It’s just a different world. Today, I would have missed the next two games or be kicked off the team.
Kurt Rambis, Bill Lambier, George Mason, now that was some goon ball. Watch an 80’s - 90’s game and then today’s NBA. Our Tennessee game reminded me of that. We can want our Freshmen to stand up to them, but we were boys among men. My wife even commented on the Tennessee big man. She said that guy can’t be eligible, he looks like he’s 40.
There is no balance. It's too soft in the ACC, and then we get to the tournament, there's some games where I say this is closer to football than basketball. Our game was so obvious Saturday that even Jay Bilas called it hockey and not basketball. Let that one sink in.
This isn't meant as a criticism to Jon, because I think he's done a very good job in his first season, but an old, experienced coach like K would have been all over the refs on the first horseshit foul that UT committed, which was not a basketball play at all. Then if no excessive call had been made on that bull rush impact boxout involving Flip just a few minutes later? The old man may have gone postal.
K was a hard ass that didn't tolerate his team getting ran over. If you doubt it, ask Gerald Henderson. In the future, I'd expect Jon to get a little harder too.
This isn't meant as a criticism to Jon, because I think he's done a very good job in his first season, but an old, experienced coach like K would have been all over the refs on the first horseshit foul that UT committed, which was not a basketball play at all. Then if no excessive call had been made on that bull rush impact boxout involving Flip just a few minutes later? The old man may have gone postal.
K was a hard ass that didn't tolerate his team getting ran over. If you doubt it, ask Gerald Henderson. In the future, I'd expect Jon to get a little harder too.
Agreed. I don’t think we need to redevelop a roster or future makeup of a team based on one single game so to me what happened against the Vols was purely in-game adaptation as a coach.
There’s probably several ways to do it. K’s method would have been to absolutely blast the refs to cut the crap. Izzo would have gotten a tech. A guy like Huggins would have probably encouraged his guys to foul harder, leading to double techs or the refs having a pow-wow with the coaches at mid-court informing them now they have no choice but to call the game tight.
"We are going to study Australian rugby rules and get ready for the Vols" - FAU coach Dusty May.........seems the word is out
I don't know. Tennessee seems to have developed a workable game plan for physically overwhelming teams made up of OAD's just out of high school. So, continued heavy reliance on OAD's may play into the hands of experienced physical teams that adopt the UT/Barnes strategy. I am glad Jon is reformulating his reruitment strategy. OFC
It's workable if refs don't call a tight game. Otherwise, put a fork in them.
Not so sure that a big physical team would not have an advantage against underweight former high school players, even in a tightly called game. Size and strength are valuable assets. OFC
Valuable assets yes, advantages yes. Ironically if we had another freshmen, who we lost 24 hours before the game, I think it is a different story due to his length and defense shutting down his opposition. One who went off against us due to his absence.
Yeah I can respect that viewpoint. It is definitely the reason we lost so I think you’re ultimately right for that specific game. There are some OAD’s though that are physically mature…last year’s team of OAD’s (P5, Keels, Griffin) probably get through Saturday’s game. I mean they did it with Texas Tech.
I will say - as a bball fan I’m pretty interested in their game with FAU. The perception of UT is a little negative as they are now an overly-physical team so eventually a game will get called differently on them. Even FAU’s center is calling them dirty in interviews and I don’t think he’s doing that because he truly thinks it - I think it’s to keep that message going in the hopes it works in their favor tonight.
Exactly. The blanket statement that all teams, all OAD teams or players (more accurately) are the same isn’t accurate.
I agree that we have had OAD's who were strong enough to withstand a Rick Barnes type of defense. Problem is that Lively, Flip, Proctor, and possibly Dariq did not fit that mold this year. OFC
All the attention is on that Euro thug, but all the holding and hand checking did our offense in. There wasn’t nearly as much of that last night. Fau clearly benefited from the narrative this week that they should have had their wings clipped against us. A couple flagrant should have been called, countless holds
Proctor was the best player on the floor. Flip literally got elbowed in the eye and played with a black eye and a mild concussion. Lively was fine on defense. We needed to adjust our gameplan and while we tried we didn’t cut down on our mistakes. Much of which was the result of said thug ball. But it’s what it is.
Gonzaga vs U Conn should be a good match up. Timme was a beast last night. UCLA lost their starting center, and he made them pay.
FAU most definitely benefitted from our game with UT. Our favorite alum called them out, and in doing so, put the zebras on notice. Their coach even jumped on the train, which was a very smart move.
Like I said, I think Jon had a really good first season. But there are times when the coach needs to go full ape shit. The UT game was one of those times, and had gotten T'd up, then oh well. It would have brought unwanted attention to the 3 blind mice.
They absolutely benefited from a weeks worth of critique on the way that UT “plays defense.”
I agree, if there was one game Jon needed to get "T'd up" it was last Saturday. Quite frankly I don't know how he held his composure.
I am not a Bilas fan obviously, but am glad he and Greenberg laid into the officials. They have a powerful stage to voice their opinions, and as mentioned, FAU was the beneficiary.
Jon's quite a competitor, and I think borders on genius. Yet one never stops learning. He will get EVEN BETTER, and I suspect upon reflection he would have drawn a T. What's the old saying? Keep throwing things against the wall until something sticks. The UT contest was such an occasion.
OFC
Does anyone else remember when Thug Barnes had a cameo on Friday Night Lights playing a high school fb coach recruiting Smash?
Long story short re: his performance: deer in headlights. No Emmy nom for old Rick
