If the Goldwires were looked at in the same way as the O'Connells by many here I wouldn't have made the comment.
By the way, I noticed you changed your avatar as soon as the guy in the old one finished up his usefulness. That didn't take long.
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If the Goldwires were looked at in the same way as the O'Connells by many here I wouldn't have made the comment.
By the way, I noticed you changed your avatar as soon as the guy in the old one finished up his usefulness. That didn't take long.
You didn’t hurt my feelings at all.
We all expect a lot more from Cam than Alex. That has more to do with the “negative” feelings towards Cam than race does.
What I'm talking about goes beyond O'Connell, he just happened to be the point of reference. I watched for the last two years while Grayson got deified by many on this board despite appearing to kill team chemistry, shooting us out of games and being an overall embarrassment to the program. Granted, he did his thing one time as a freshman and it was the highest of stages, but the fact that his skin color matches that of most of the fans has contributed to his lifetime pass rather than having backs turned and shovels brought out like in the Reddish situation.
totally agree. game of inches for sure. unless youre Nova from last year or UNC 2009 and just sleepwalking thru the whole tournament winning each game by 10+ you're probably not winning it all without getting some breaks. Hell, our 2017 team had 4 games that we could have easily lost if a few plays/calls went the other way, we managed to come out on the right end in each of them
You just need to stop. Your posts keep getting dumber. This has never been about race, no matter how hard you’re trying to push it.
Believe me, your opinion on all this doesn’t fit how ANY Duke fan I know feels.
If I had to take a guess, I’d say you’re no older than 35, probably younger. No disrespect to any person on this board in this age group.
I think political/racial agendas are better left out of this conversation. That's just my opinion and you are entitled to yours. I haven't seen any comments that suggest that race has any role in someone's opinion on Cam.
It's a simply comparing and contrasting. You take statements, replies, comments, etc. over a period of time and you begin to notice trends. Then you start to look at common factors in those trends.
Just because people aren't coming in here slinging the n-word at Cam or screaming,
"White power!" everytime Grayson knocked down a 3 doesn't mean there is not a racial component to the treatment some of our players received and still do receive.
I hear you but there is no way around the fact that Cam was a disappointment.
I think Cam was a disappointment on one end of the court in the sense that he never quite adjusted to be the third option on offense. Hell, that's not an easy move to make. It took Chris Bosh a while, it took Kevin Love a while. As I've alluded to before, I think Grayson's inability to adjust to not offensively being the guy the last two years caused a lot of harm.
This is one of the reasons I would love to see Cam Reddish back in a Duke uniform next year if that is what he wanted.
There will always be a racial component to sports, some good and some unfortunately bad, just not sure this is the place to bring it up.
Yeah we all would want Cam back. And yeah Grayson was a disappointment his last couple of years. But Grayson has the National Championship game. Cam has the regular season Florida St. game. I think that’s the biggest difference here.
This is a joke right? Grayson busted his a$$ for 4 years for this program and turned down millions every year to return. We’d be so lucky to have a team full of Grayson Allen’s
Hmmm. Would be hard for the other team to defend us seeing how they'd all be laying on their asses if we had a team full of Grayson Allens. I'll allow it.
If he had gone pro in 17 instead of Kennard I believe we would have been a better team last year. Obviously, there is no way to prove that.
Truthfully, his issues began to arise about the time Kennard surpassed him.
I never said I was done with reddish. I said he should go pro. I firmly believe if he came back he would improve no doubt but his stock would fall even more as scouts realize he just doesn’t have basketball instincts or IQ. I would love to have him back.m, but o don’t see him turning into a really good b-ball player at this level or above anytime soon. I could see him maybe being 3rd team acc next year with improvements.
I get what you are saying, but if anything this board is like most anywhere else in life. Yes there could be a racial component, at least on some level. And it works every which way.
Can we stop with the Grayson bashing? He gave his all for Duke for 4 years. One shot stays in instead of popping out and the word "disappointment" would never be used again.
Grayson/Nolan/Quinn/Scheyer, all gave everything for Duke and for that they hold a special place to me.
Grayson/Nolan/Quinn/Scheyer, all gave everything for Duke and for that they hold a special place to me.
Kennard never surpassed Grayson, Grayson took a backseat to him and Tatum for the team because neither were willing or able to distribute. Kennard was a better shooter sure but, as player, hell no. Kennard played matador defense and gave zero effort into anything besides shooting. He did the same thing last year for the betterment of the team, calling Grayson an embarrassment is disingenuous to all he did for DUKE his 4 years here. I do agree people need to lay off Cam, hell I've been saying that all year, however, there isn't any need to start attacking another guy just to attempt to prove your point.
Could you imagine having that as a senior backcourt rotation? MY GOD.
If Scotty Thurman's jumper doesn't drop, Grant Hill is considered the best player of the modern era and no worse than top 5 all-time.
If RJ doesn't miss a free throw last Saturday, people are getting ready for the Final Four instead of burying Cam Reddish.
Sometimes one shot is all it takes to change a legacy.
For the record, I love all three of the other guys you mentioned.
Collins should not have taken the quick 3 on the other end. Arkansas struggled from the line down the stretch. Should have extended the game.
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