ACC CHAMPS + 5 Seed Disrespect
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I am starting to think that the seedings are baked in before BOTH the Saturday and Sunday games.
I will say this. Yes it is disrespect. Play that card. But is there much difference between a 4 and 5? And I’ll take Duke’s draw over UVA everyday and twice on Sunday. Look at the cheat last year. It is all about draw and luck. UK lost on the first round and cheats went to the final four. Would anyone in their right mind say the cheats were better last year?
Duke was disrespected. Plain & simple. At worst, we should have been a 4. Duke is charging into the tournament, while teams like Tennessee, Baylor, and a few others, are limping in. Looking at the bracket though, it looks fairly favorable. But, that's not the point. There's too many eggheads in charge, and not enough of the eye test. Teams like Iowa, Michigan St, and West Virginia, but no Clemson?
They love them some Big 10 and Big 12. Didn't Big 10 have the most in last year and none made it past the sweet 16?
There's not a thing we can do about it but go out and win the natty. O.R. has a 7'5" center who only weighs about 225 pounds. No way to compare him to Edey accept height which may help Lively prepare for the height. We should get by O.R. with no problem but can't them lightly and we all kniw that. I see us beating Tenn. As for Purdue they beat us soundly but we are a totally different team now. Much better than when they beat us and they are not looking forward to playing us and are hoping we get knocked off just like we are hoping to see them gone. If we do play them and beat them we for sure should make it to the final four and after that we can win it all. Have to play like we have the last 8 games. OFC
I still say before the show, they need to bring in a group of college basketball people with no knowledge of the discussions in the room that look at the bracket as a whole. They are not involved in the minute details and can ask questions like “how can you justify Houston over Kansas? How can you justify Texas A&M a 7? How can you justify Duke a 5 and UVA a 4? How do you justify Nevada over Rutgers for or Clemson?
When your deeply involved in the details, it is easy to miss a big picture item.
When your deeply involved in the details, it is easy to miss a big picture item.
Clemson not in shocks the hell out of me more . That’s bs Somebody explain it to me
Mich St and NW have no business being 7 seeds but it will be fun seeing them implode again
I read that 5 is the highest seed that has never won the tournament. Could that change this year???
I really, really have no expectations going into this tournament. I'm going to be bummed whenever we get eliminated but in all honesty I'm going to try to keep perspective and that means if we get to the second weekend, this is a success. Five weeks ago, an ACC championship and a sweet 16 seemed like crazy talk. So I'm going to try very hard to be happy if we get that far.
I really, really have no expectations going into this tournament. I'm going to be bummed whenever we get eliminated but in all honesty I'm going to try to keep perspective and that means if we get to the second weekend, this is a success. Five weeks ago, an ACC championship and a sweet 16 seemed like crazy talk. So I'm going to try very hard to be happy if we get that far.
So just to be clear, the NCAA no longer takes injuries into account when doing selections? Weren’t we told for years that they did? For those old enough, do you remember the onslaught of accusations from Carolina fans and Kentucky fans in 2001 that Krzyzewski was lying about the timeline on Boozer’s return from injury to protect Duke’s top seed?
Looking around the Country, there are a lot of injuries, and one of the more significant ones is on Tennessee’s team and he is done for the season. (ACL) so apparently, if that was ever a consideration, it’s not anymore.
Not a big deal they’re a seed higher since if both win they will play each other anyhow but certain committee decisions does make one want to ask clarifying questions.
Looking around the Country, there are a lot of injuries, and one of the more significant ones is on Tennessee’s team and he is done for the season. (ACL) so apparently, if that was ever a consideration, it’s not anymore.
Not a big deal they’re a seed higher since if both win they will play each other anyhow but certain committee decisions does make one want to ask clarifying questions.
The seeds seemed set by Friday. Other than maybe Purdue/UCLA switching. I'm more worried about Tennessee, even without their PG that is a tough second round game. But we aren't our usual 1/2 seed, so there's that.
The new AP poll is out and we are now ranked 12th. That pretty well equals to a #3 seed!! Just another reminder of the disrespect for Duke!!!
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Has the committee made any type of statement on the justification for a 5 seed? Clearly the Lee Cassell screw job in Virginia was not taken into consideration, or the fact we end the season ranked #12? It's complete BS
I thought we might be a 3 seed lol. Regardless, I think this is a good draw for us. I’d rather this than be a 4 in Alabama’s region which is what UVA got.
Tennessee trending down, their PG is hurt. Purdue always chokes early and Memphis is a terrible matchup for them, Memphis is loaded with athletes and Purdue isn’t. No one in the lower part of our bracket scares me, especially at MSG.
Tennessee trending down, their PG is hurt. Purdue always chokes early and Memphis is a terrible matchup for them, Memphis is loaded with athletes and Purdue isn’t. No one in the lower part of our bracket scares me, especially at MSG.
UVA finished at #13 while we're 12 but we're a 5 seed while UVA a 4 seed. Miami #16 while the same seed as us. Tennessee at 20 but a 4 seed...Go figure
Ranked #12 and a 5 seed is bullsh*t, no matter how you look at it.
Am I wrong or did it seem like during this nine-game winning streak that Duke just could not ascend back into the rankings? Like no one wanted to believe, the "show me" attitude from voters remained rock solid until they finally cracked back into the top 25 at # 21. Was that before or after the chapel hill college rematch?
I know people love to bag on the ACC, because it's merely the greatest league of all time for College Basketball. A year ago the ACC had three teams in the Elite 8, two of those teams went to the Final Four. Three different ACC teams with National Championships since the 2014/2015 season (That's 7 seasons ago as we can't count 2020 as no one got to participate) Duke and Virginia were in the Elite 8 in 2019. Duke and Florida State were in the 2018 Elite 8. Duke with two heartbreaking close defeats when they were seconds away from the Final Four in both those years. 2018 for me was more painful than 2019 because Duke had a three-point lead with 20-30 secs left? Trevon Duval went for the swipe and steal, he missed which led to a wide-open Kansas shooter and they tied it. Allen then missed a close in shot on the next play and then we had overtime which Duke lost. I'm glad Villanova made sure the Jayhawks didn't get the gold that year.
Big 10 crapped the bed 2 years ago, also. Overrated in everything but wrestling.
I don't know what the committee uses for criteria, it seems they pick and choose whatever justifies their random choices.
I think the committee underseeded Duke but made up for it with a very manageable bracket for Duke. Now Duke has to go out and play. OAD is a lot different from the season.
I think the committee underseeded Duke but made up for it with a very manageable bracket for Duke. Now Duke has to go out and play. OAD is a lot different from the season.
Sheyer is definitely getting the rookie treatment. Has been all year. Keep that chip on the shoulder because the disrespect has been blatant. It doesn't get anymore blatant than what has transpired this year including this seeding debacle and getting sent out of Greensboro.
Scratching my head at how Xavier got a 3 seed. They not only lost 1 more game than us but they didn’t do a damn thing vs the out of conference teams they played… and we won head to head… when we sucked 😂
We had 8 losses in a down ACC year. That's how the committee viewed it. I do think we should have been a 4. I really want to make it out of the first weekend. Anything else is gravy. Not sure I'd pick us for the final four, but anything is possible.
Interesting to look at Kenpom today. Duke is at 21, Virginia at 34, Miami at 40, and NC State at 55, Clemson (not in tourney) at 64.
Duke is the third best 5 seed according to Kenpom, below St. Mary's (11) and San Diego St. (14). The teams right above Duke are all 8 seeds or higher (WVa, Utah St., Memphis, Ark). Only Kansas St, Virginia, and Indiana have better seeds than Duke but are ranked by KenPom as worse than Duke.
Tennessee, who we might play on Saturday, is the fifth best team in the country according to KenPom, two places better than Purdue. But Tennessee will be playing without Zakai Zeigler, who is second on the team in points and minutes, first in assists and steals. At one point he led the team in assists in something like 15 straight games.
After starting the year 19-3 (including wins against Kansas, Maryland, and Texas), TN is 5-7 since Feb 1 and 2-2 without Zeigler over the last four games, losing at Auburn and at home against Missouri and a solid home win against Arkansas.
Duke is the third best 5 seed according to Kenpom, below St. Mary's (11) and San Diego St. (14). The teams right above Duke are all 8 seeds or higher (WVa, Utah St., Memphis, Ark). Only Kansas St, Virginia, and Indiana have better seeds than Duke but are ranked by KenPom as worse than Duke.
Tennessee, who we might play on Saturday, is the fifth best team in the country according to KenPom, two places better than Purdue. But Tennessee will be playing without Zakai Zeigler, who is second on the team in points and minutes, first in assists and steals. At one point he led the team in assists in something like 15 straight games.
After starting the year 19-3 (including wins against Kansas, Maryland, and Texas), TN is 5-7 since Feb 1 and 2-2 without Zeigler over the last four games, losing at Auburn and at home against Missouri and a solid home win against Arkansas.
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If we can just get past our first game. The bracket looks to line up nice to get to the final four. Playing in MSG will help too if we can get there. But man am I nervous about Thursday, cannot come out flat.
Everyone says that but Tennessee, Purdue, and then elite eight sounds tough to me. It can be done, but harder than winning the ACC imo.
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Focus is solely on Thursday and I'm hopeful Jon and the staff understand this. I also like the fact we have 4 days to prepare for them, and no one this time around is taking Oral Roberts lightly.
But two of those losses were to Kansas and Purdue. Another was a “rob job” at UVA, could the blowout aspect of a few of those others be a factor? (@ NCSU, Purdue, @ Miami)
Counting the three wins in ACC tournament (which means nothing to committee) we were 17-6 in the conference. Doesn't matter if it's a "down" year, that's a solid record.
If we're in the Big 12 or the Big Ten with that record, we're a top 3 seed.
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They've been pushing the Big Ten and Big 12 for a few years now, and for some reason I can't understand even the Pac 12 over the ACC. Is it because K and Roy and Jimmy are leaving/gone now and the ACC must suck as a consequence?
No but that's how it seems lmao. The ACC can win the Big Ten Challenge but they get more teams because of some perceived inferiority that I can't rationalize. Maybe I'm crazy...
No but that's how it seems lmao. The ACC can win the Big Ten Challenge but they get more teams because of some perceived inferiority that I can't rationalize. Maybe I'm crazy...
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Perception does play a role in most things. The conference should stabilize if the coaching turnover is largely over.
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