GhostOf301 said:

Moving on. Let me find the next progressive hill for you to die on.

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Dattier said:

Let's assume every rhetorical answer you want.
Now, why would a middle school librarian include a title like this in their collection? What reason would they give? I'm not justifying it. I asked you how someone might try to justify it.

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GhostOf301 said:

Do you consider explicit content on sucking dick to be pornographic material?

Not answering

I don't think activism is automatically a negative thing. But I think you were attempting to cast it as an insult in this case. What makes him an activist? Why refer to him as an activist instead of just an 11 year old who was subjected to content that has no business in his school library?


You keep trying to justify dick sucking content for middle schoolers. Whatever man.

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Dattier said:

There are already clear laws regulating porn with the goal of keeping it out of the hands of minors. That's not the discussion and I have no issue with those laws.

How about just one book? Oedipus Rex. The protagonist murders his father, marries his mother, and has 4 kids with her. Kids are a by-product of sex. And he was doing it with his own mom. The entire play is about discovering this. Should we ban it?

Just because you consider "activist" a negative thing doesn't mean I do. In fact, it's a pretty safe bet that a politically charged word you have a negative opinion of is one I have a positive opinion of. And I think it's a terrible idea for that 11-year-old to read that book, based on what I know of him and his father from a single YouTube video. I never supported that at all.

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Dattier said:

So back to the book in question... have any of you paused to wonder why a school librarian would choose to include a book like that in their collection? Because if all you can come up with is grooming or sheer evil, you're just stupid snowflakes. Anyone want to try to represent what an actual librarian might say? You don't have to endorse it. I just want to know if any of y'all are even willing to hear it.

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KDSTONE said:

She is intimidated by the prospect of crossing the POTUS. Joe’s clueless but spiteful. Ask Eric Adams. She wouldn’t be the first daughter to suppress horrific experiences to ensure they’re not cut out of the Will. Joe has amassed an ill gotten fortune while in public office.
She wants her cut, so she’s willing to play nice.
Arbitrary age? As if showers with a pubescent girl aren’t universally condemned.
Ghost is right; you are one sick pup

And you’re comparing spanking a child to taking baths with a girl who has reached puberty. Wow. Spanking is almost universally practiced in lower income Black communities. They would be offended by the analogy.
You don’t know much about the groups you like to play Savior to

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KDSTONE said:

Rightly or wrongly, most parents are concerned more with explicit sex acts in lit than violence. Most kids, especially boys, are exposed to violence in movies and video games like Call of Duty at too young of an age no doubt. There’s always going to be a stronger reaction to sex acts than violence. So why you included Romeo and Juliet and The Diary of Anne Frank in your little diatribe is anyone’s guess.

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KDSTONE said:

Part of the difference between the books listed above and a book like Gender Queer is that Gender Queer is perceived as being attached to a political agenda that is currently trending.
The authors above are generally accepted as simply great writers by and large, independent of any political movement at least one that is relevant to people of this generation

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GhostOf301 said:

You've already proven to be ridiculous. You don't have to keep trying. Of course you would say it is false equivalency, that's a convenient way for you to avoid acknowledging the point being made. How about porn? Ignoring that it is available nowadays in ways it never was before because of the internet. It is illegal for children to rent, buy or obtain pornographic material. Do you think that is right?

I am not going to go down your list and answer each and every book, title or author in order to give you the way out of sticking to a discussion about a particular case. I have already said that explicit sexual content should not be available for school aged children. Whatever falls into that category.

You keep referring to this kid as an activist just because he and his father brought the disgusting book to the school board. Even if it is an accurate description, it's weird to try and insult an 11 year old for bringing attention to the sick shit that you support.

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Dattier said:

False equivalency. We're talking about intellectual content, not ingested substances.

You still haven't answered about the other titles I listed: The Kite Runner, Oedipus Rex, Romeo & Juliet, Othello, The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian, Judy Blum. I'll add a few more: 1984, Catcher in the Rye, Diary of Anne Frank, All Quiet on the Western Front, Hamlet, MacBeth, Twelfth Night, Night, Julie of the Wolves... All of those books have troubling content, many of which relate to sex.

You still haven't suggested any steps to any process for determining a book's appropriateness. As far as I can tell, an angry mob of keyboard warriors or an 11-year-old activist being videotaped reading to the school board should result in kneejerk decisions without knowing anything else about the book.

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Dattier said:

False equivalency. We're talking about intellectual content, not ingested substances.

You still haven't answered about the other titles I listed: The Kite Runner, Oedipus Rex, Romeo & Juliet, Othello, The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian, Judy Blum. I'll add a few more: 1984, Catcher in the Rye, Diary of Anne Frank, All Quiet on the Western Front, Hamlet, MacBeth, Twelfth Night, Night, Julie of the Wolves... All of those books have troubling content, many of which relate to sex.

You still haven't suggested any steps to any process for determining a book's appropriateness. As far as I can tell, an angry mob of keyboard warriors or an 11-year-old activist being videotaped reading to the school board should result in kneejerk decisions without knowing anything else about the book.

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Dattier said:

You're projecting pedophilia onto her dad. She introduced him lovingly at the DNC. Let me guess... Stockholm Syndrome?
Do we have any confirmation of how old she actually was? Like, 8? 8 would be an age she would remember, but it isn't pubescent. 14? Pubescent and imo, highly inappropriate. I would think bathing with your kids of any gender would be a bit weird after... 5? 6? IDK.

What's with intervening into how other people parent? You don't want your kid reading a certain book so no one's kid should be able to get it from a school or public library? Years of consultation with parents and doctors, but your kneejerk reaction about gender-affirming care is more important? Attributing it to pedophilia instead of just weirdness if a parent showers with their own child past the arbitrary age you decide is appropriate? Yet somehow if the issue was spanking a kid, suddenly y'all are all about letting parents parent how they see fit.

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jamsession2 said:

He was with Flip at the PF, not Cooper at the SF.

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GhostOf301 said:

You don't want your kid drinking alcohol at 14 so no one else's kids should be able to. You don't want your kid to be able to purchase cigarettes at 11, so no one else's kids should be able to. You don't want you 12 year old getting tattoos, so no one else's kid should be able to. There are things that society and government has agreed should be off limits to children. I don't think it was that long ago that books with explicit content, like sucking dick, would be in that category. But here we are. You freaks have to normalize this shit.

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Dattier said:

You're projecting pedophilia onto her dad. She introduced him lovingly at the DNC. Let me guess... Stockholm Syndrome?
Do we have any confirmation of how old she actually was? Like, 8? 8 would be an age she would remember, but it isn't pubescent. 14? Pubescent and imo, highly inappropriate. I would think bathing with your kids of any gender would be a bit weird after... 5? 6? IDK.

What's with intervening into how other people parent? You don't want your kid reading a certain book so no one's kid should be able to get it from a school or public library? Years of consultation with parents and doctors, but your kneejerk reaction about gender-affirming care is more important? Attributing it to pedophilia instead of just weirdness if a parent showers with their own child past the arbitrary age you decide is appropriate? Yet somehow if the issue was spanking a kid, suddenly y'all are all about letting parents parent how they see fit.

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