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KDSTONE said:
So if you have a child in let’s say a third grade classroom You’ve paid taxes your whole life including property taxes. You’re lucky in that there’s a decent teacher to student ratio at least compared to when most of us went to school. 20 to 1. Now a couple of months into the year the children of illegals who don’t speak a lick of English and have never paid taxes a day in their life are dropped into your child’s classroom. Since they can’t speak English and your child’s teacher doesn’t speak Spanish, these students take up a disproportionate amount of the teachers time. Leaving your child neglected and underserved. As a parent, would you be cool with this? Happening all over the country every day.
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No. I would target education funding, though, not immigrant children.

Courts have consistently held that rights apply to everyone within our borders, citizens or not. Public school, too.
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KDSTONE said:
We see history repeating itself. The msm colluded to cover up Biden’s cognitive decline for years. In a similar way, they are now colluding to cover up Harris’ general incompetence and shallow grasp of the issues.
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And what's really disturbing is our 2 liberals here STILL defend their side, and say we are the dishonest ones.
I'm serious, you can't make this stuff up.
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Mac9192 said:
I'm not the only one who said things like this about Biden, but @Dattier, this was posted on September 18, 2021.

Was I making this up?
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We see history repeating itself. The msm colluded to cover up Biden’s cognitive decline for years. In a similar way, they are now colluding to cover up Harris’ general incompetence and shallow grasp of the issues.
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Dattier said:
You don't actually know immigration is covered fairly or that msm is told what to say. I don't believe you do any more than decide what you want to be true, then accuse anything to the contrary of being dishonest, evil, and part of a conspiracy. You're making things up.
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You have to have your head buried in the sand to sit there and say I make things up. Even coming from you, that's extremely rich. Just like I was making it up over 4 years ago saying Biden was unfit to be the President. Was I wrong about that? I won't even wait for your reply. We both know you'll come back with some lame excuse, or a cheap insult of your opinion of me.

Here's the real issue Datt, so read carefully. Most of us on the right will (and have) call out our party when we think they've either gone off the reservation, or become gutless. Not the left. Oh no. All you guys (and gals) do is dig in deeper on your hatred for the other side.
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Dattier said:
You don't actually know immigration is covered fairly or that msm is told what to say. I don't believe you do any more than decide what you want to be true, then accuse anything to the contrary of being dishonest, evil, and part of a conspiracy. You're making things up.
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So if you have a child in let’s say a third grade classroom You’ve paid taxes your whole life including property taxes. You’re lucky in that there’s a decent teacher to student ratio at least compared to when most of us went to school. 20 to 1. Now a couple of months into the year the children of illegals who don’t speak a lick of English and have never paid taxes a day in their life are dropped into your child’s classroom. Since they can’t speak English and your child’s teacher doesn’t speak Spanish, these students take up a disproportionate amount of the teachers time. Leaving your child neglected and underserved. As a parent, would you be cool with this? Happening all over the country every day.
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Dattier
Mac9192 said:
Not true at all Datt, but nice way to try and divert. I'll say it again, immigration has been a story in the media. When the governors of Texas and Florida sent them away on a bus is a big one. The media HAD TO cover it. But, don't for a minute sit there and try to tell me the media covers immigration fairly, or even wants to discuss it.

They can't. You deny, but it's because they are told what to say, and talking negatively about immigration hurts the left.
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You don't actually know immigration is covered fairly or that msm is told what to say. I don't believe you do any more than decide what you want to be true, then accuse anything to the contrary of being dishonest, evil, and part of a conspiracy. You're making things up.
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SDevada said:
Actually, a deep dive into the numbers (see Brennan Center analysis) is that crime among undocumented immigrants has NOT risen sharpley. But you don’t hear thst from MSM. Rather they cover every story of some immigrant committing a crime and so skew our perception
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If the victims of crime are also illegals, it often goes unreported. So it’s difficult to know whether it’s actually gone up or not. Due to police shortages and response delays (Defund the Police anyone), many crime victims, especially property crimes, only report it for insurance purposes if they report it at all. This doesn’t mean crime hasn’t risen.
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SDevada said:
Actually, a deep dive into the numbers (see Brennan Center analysis) is that crime among undocumented immigrants has NOT risen sharpley. But you don’t hear thst from MSM. Rather they cover every story of some immigrant committing a crime and so skew our perception
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I'm not against immigration. I totally understand why they want to come here. They should come in by the proper channels though. How would you like someone trying to come into your home by climbing through the window, versus knocking on your door?

Let's also not kid ourselves and say this topic is covered fairly, or for that matter, hardly at all.
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SDevada said:
We know the picture is frim a different time and place so why not call a spade a spade and accuse him of lying. It won’t be the first time someone lied about immigrant behavior to gin up angry at immigrants. For example… Donald Trump.

Just one point to note. The Haitians are not here illegally. They are in a separate category with temporary visas.
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You clearly don’t bother to read any of the posts. Their legal status has been covered. They’re here in part due to the Whipping Hoax. That was a humdinger
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SDevada said:
We know the picture is frim a different time and place so why not call a spade a spade and accuse him of lying. It won’t be the first time someone lied about immigrant behavior to gin up angry at immigrants. For example… Donald Trump.

Just one point to note. The Haitians are not here illegally. They are in a separate category with temporary visas.
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A lot of them were here illegally. The current regime gave them temporary protective status after they illegally entered the country. And we know the intention was never for it to be temporary.
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Dattier said:
I edited before seeing your reply, changing "truths" to "honesty."

And yes, you do claim complete authority on many issues. Anyone who disagrees with you is a liar and evil, not just someone with a different, and sometimes far more informed, opinion. You assumed in your last post that if MSM would cover an issue honestly -- ie, stop lying -- it would concur with what you claim is the truth.
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Not true at all Datt, but nice way to try and divert. I'll say it again, immigration has been a story in the media. When the governors of Texas and Florida sent them away on a bus is a big one. The media HAD TO cover it. But, don't for a minute sit there and try to tell me the media covers immigration fairly, or even wants to discuss it.

They can't. You deny, but it's because they are told what to say, and talking negatively about immigration hurts the left.
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Mac9192 said:
No, not complete authority over truths. But, with immigration, and the stories that have been covered, we do for sure know there's real issues with it.

It's ok for you to admit it Datt. We won't hold that against you.
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I edited before seeing your reply, changing "truths" to "honesty."

And yes, you do claim complete authority on many issues. Anyone who disagrees with you is a liar and evil, not just someone with a different, and sometimes far more informed, opinion. You assumed in your last post that if MSM would cover an issue honestly -- ie, stop lying -- it would concur with what you claim is the truth.
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