GhostOf301 said:

For the third time you are ignoring what was totally wrong and disgusting with what he said because he is ate up in partisan politics. We can move on. You're okay with his disgraceful attitude, you've said enough.

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Dattier said:

VP Harris, who was much more accurate and truthful?

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Dattier said:

For the third time: The grieving father is not politicizing his son's death. He is calling out Republicans who politicized his son's death.

And no, you don't have empathy for him. If you had empathy, you would understand his frustration that Republicans are politicizing the death of his son. You agree with the Republicans' messaging and therefore give them a pass. You're really backwards and disgusting.

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GhostOf301 said:

You realize I was talking about during the debate and by the moderators?

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Dattier said:

According to Newsweek, the mods fact-checked President Trump 4 times: (1) "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," (2) "...no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," (3) "...overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country," and (4) "..60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican, looked at it and said there was no widespread fraud." Those are some doozies, and pretty easy to predict and therefore prepare for. He also lied way, way more than Harris. What were they supposed to fact-check with Harris? that "nearly $4,000" was the high end projection from a liberal group? or debate what constitutes a "combat zone" where troops are deployed?

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SDevada said:

Also, how about cutting out the patronizing crap. No need to ask if I am ok or to suggest I calm down. Those comments are better addressed to you and Mac.

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Dattier said:

ABC did a fact-check afterward:
* VP Harris received 3 "True" ratings and 3 "False" ratings
* President Trump received 0 "True" ratings and 6 "False ratings
* Harris also received 4 ratings of "Needs context" and 3 others rated some degree of truth
* Trump also received 1 "True, but needs context," 1 "Needs context," 1 "Misleading," and 3 others rated some degree of false
So the total is 10 truths/truth-ish & 3 false for Harris; 3 truth-ish & 9 false/false-ish for Trump. And that's giving Trump credit for a "Misleading" statement. So President Trump lied much more than VP Harris. It makes sense that if anyone was fact-checked more by the mods, it would be him.

Politifact:
Harris- false, true, 2 mostly false, half true (total: 1-4 at worst)
Trump- 6 false, 3 "Pants on Fire!" (so even worse than "false"), 2 mostly false, 2 half true, and a mostly true (total: 3-11 at best)

Reuters: Their analyses are more narrative, with no consistent, succinct ratings.

FactCheck.org: Like Reuters, it's narrative and hard to tally.

According to Newsweek, the mods fact-checked President Trump 4 times: (1) "There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born," (2) "...no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community," (3) "...overall violent crime is actually coming down in this country," and (4) "..60 cases in front of many judges, many of them Republican, looked at it and said there was no widespread fraud." Those are some doozies, and pretty easy to predict and therefore prepare for. He also lied way, way more than Harris. What were they supposed to fact-check with Harris? that "nearly $4,000" was the high end projection from a liberal group? or debate what constitutes a "combat zone" where troops are deployed?

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GhostOf301 said:

No. A grieving father does not use his son’s death to take shots at republicans. A grieving father wishes his son was not murdered. He doesn't wish his son was murdered by a 60 year old white man instead. I have empathy for him. I have empathy for everyone who loses someone close to them, even Michael Brown's mother. What I don't have for him is respect. I think he is a disgusting liberal who is so ate up in politics that he would wish his son was murdered by the evil white man instead of the helpless asylum seeker instead of just wishing his son wasn't murdered at all. He chose to put himself in front of a camera and say those things. For you to defend him is wild as hell.

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GhostOf301 said:

I don't think it's a bad thing to correct a candidate or provide context for what they say if it is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. The problem is they only did it on one side. They also led Kamala's talking points multiple times. 3 on 1 and Trump only moderately made a fool out of himself. He's grown up so much.

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surfdevil said:

so people are reaching out to several of our '25 recruits still. Evan Scott who rivals gave an 5.5 barely a P4 level OT is hearing from UGA, OHIO ST, UVA and others. might be time for a re-evaluation. Jaivon Solomon WR says LSU and GA TECH are trying to get him to come for visits. Manny has a good eye for recruits i think

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SDevada said:

You know nothing about what I will or won’t to so cut the crap. You want to hate liberals so badly that you cannot even gave empathy for a grieving parent. Absolutely disgusting.

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Dattier said:

I'll try again... A grieving father doesn't want Republicans using his son's death to take shots at undocumented immigrants.
I am responding to your disgusting post. A grieving father was addressing the misuse of his son's death by Republicans.

You have no empathy for a grieving father.

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Dattier said:

I'll try again... A grieving father doesn't want Republicans using his son's death to take shots at undocumented immigrants.
I am responding to your disgusting post. A grieving father was addressing the misuse of his son's death by Republicans.

You have no empathy for a grieving father.

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SDevada said:

No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.

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GhostOf301 said:

So stupid. You completely ignored how disgusting it is for a father of an 11 year old boy to say that he wished his son wad murdered by a 60 year old white man instead of an illegal immigrant. He used his son's death to take shots at a political party and their supporters. That's disgusting. And here you are trying to capitalize on school shootings to deflect away from this topic. There are sp many ways to point out obvious differences in the situations, but that would be playing into your hand.

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SDevada said:

No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.

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SDevada said:

No. He wants to grieve privately and he cannot do that now that his son’s death has been coopted by the Know-Nothing MAGAS. What is disgusting is the use Trump and his nimrods are making of it.

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Mac9192 said:

The debate last night was not good for Trump. First off, of course it was 3 on 1. But he got reeled in. Sounds easy to say from where I sit, but he should have ONLY pounded the issues of the last four years. He got led into talking way too long on abortion, and Jan 6th, and then lookedawful about the immigrants/pet rumor from Ohio. We needed Trump, and very little Donald. We got more Donald. He had his moments, like when he said "you've been there for four years, why haven't you done anything yet?" I would have said that over and over.

She won, but it's not like she was good. Let's be real here, her bar is so low, basically all she has to do is sound enough like a politician, and not cackle. She accomplished that. Her team did a great job of prepping her.

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KDSTONE said:

When the moderators fact check only one of the candidates, you know the deck is stacked. Not their role to fact check. Hopefully, the Reps will be smart enough to never allow Abc anywhere near another Pres debate, but I doubt it.
She appears competent due to low expectations and the fact she memorized a bunch of platitudes, but the fact remains she has accomplished nothing in her political career and she will be a disaster for our country and our allies, esp. Israel

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SDevada said:

You are missing the point. He does not want his son’s death to be a talking point for you xenophobic know-nothings.

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Dattier said:

Nope.

Nope.

ermuhgah, yes.

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