Dattier said:

I did a little deeper digging. (Don't worry; it was fun.) There's a link in the article to the rankings themselves.
Here are some numbers:
* Conservatives and liberals agree on 7 of the top 10, 18 of the top 20, and all of the bottom 7, in some order.
* 32 of the 45 (remember, Grover Cleveland counts twice as both the 22nd and 24th President) were ranked within 3 spots of each other, from conservatives to liberals.
* More recent Presidents had the biggest disparity in ranking from one group to the next. In reverse order, with the difference in parentheses: Biden (17), Trump (just 2), Obama (7), GW Bush (14), Clinton (just 2, but w/ conservatives ranking him better!), GHW Bush (11), Reagan (12), Carter (just 1, w/ both in the top 20!), Ford (just 3), Nixon (6), LBJ (5).
* From LBJ, you have to skip the four before him back to Hoover, and right before him, Coolidge, to get a difference greater than 3 (6 each).
* From Coolidge -- the 30th President -- you have to go all the way back to Garfield -- the 20th President -- to find the next difference higher than three (9).
* Of the first 19 Presidents, only Grant at #18 was higher than 4 (6), and only Van Buren at #8 and Jackson at #7 were as high as that.

A few observations, then...
* It would be easy to conclude that we're living in more polarized times than any time in US history at least since the Civil War. I tend to agree, but not because of these numbers. I'm guessing it's more due to how things settle over time. Like, 50 years from now, those same discrepancies probably will have shrunk some. GW Bush has already risen from last place among liberals at the time he left office to 32nd. I suspect he might climb another spot or 3, and he may drop a few from 18th for conservatives. Truman went from pretty unpopular at the time he left office to top 10. Wilson has dropped from the top 10 to 15th or 16th and I suspect he will continue to drop sharply. Neither Eisenhower nor LBJ were anywhere near the top 10 when I was a kid.
* Y'all are speaking from emotion and recency bias when you claim Biden is the worst ever ever ever by far, and that Obama is the next worst ever ever ever by far. Conservative scholars -- scholars, mind you, not message board keyboard warriors and social media blowhards -- rank Biden 30th, 13 spots above where they themselves rank Trump. (I'm not sure where I would rank Biden, but I suspect it would be closer to 30th than the 13th liberals have him at in this study.)
* You can disagree with any or all of these rankings. I certainly disagree with many. You're a hypocrite and an idiot to question the integrity of the people participating and compiling them... when all you do is trot out your spoon-fed rightwing talking points about mainstream media and socialist educators. Show your receipts or shut up or just keep announcing your idiocy to the world as is. If this were a proverbial d***-measuring contest, they just lay their junk out on the table while you cover your crotches in shame and back away claiming you're bigger. Show. Your. Work. (Proverbially).

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KDSTONE said:

I skipped most of that, but I caught the last paragraph. You’re absolutely right. If there’s one thing our public schools are famous for, it’s teaching critical thinking skills. Are you high?

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GhostOf301 said:

Jesus, Datt. It’s just a random tweet. Not a source. Lol.

JD Vance is weird .

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Dattier said:

K-12 public schools an ivory tower? lol

As an educator with more than 28 years of experience, I've sent students to universities, community colleges, trade schools, the military, job programs, the job market, the arts, etc. I've long recognized and respected different forms of intelligence and that one-size does not fit all. I'm not at all exceptional in this regard when it comes to public school educators. We know how messed up standardized testing is. We know there's an appalling lack of vocational ed. We know and respect that a 4-year university education isn't for everyone.

I'm the last person here who would claim my multiple degrees are a sign of my intelligence. My perseverance, grit, and certain knowledge, certainly, but not my intelligence. And I'm confident of the intelligence I have while aware of its limits.

Ironically, it's conservatives intimidated by educational institutions who lack respect for different forms of intelligence. You inherently distrust and fear academic intelligence and therefore disrespect and insult it as a means of bringing it down to your level.

Teaching critical thinking is what leads to questioning the status quo, not indoctrination. Teach someone critical thinking skills and they stop obeying blindly. That's why conservative parents hate public school and that's why conservatives hate and fear academia.

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Dattier said:

The article is from the conservative Cato Institute offering valid criticism of presidential rankings, as I said.

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GhostOf301 said:

Critical thinking = thinking like a progressive Democrat.

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Dattier said:

K-12 public schools an ivory tower? lol

As an educator with more than 28 years of experience, I've sent students to universities, community colleges, trade schools, the military, job programs, the job market, the arts, etc. I've long recognized and respected different forms of intelligence and that one-size does not fit all. I'm not at all exceptional in this regard when it comes to public school educators. We know how messed up standardized testing is. We know there's an appalling lack of vocational ed. We know and respect that a 4-year university education isn't for everyone.

I'm the last person here who would claim my multiple degrees are a sign of my intelligence. My perseverance, grit, and certain knowledge, certainly, but not my intelligence. And I'm confident of the intelligence I have while aware of its limits.

Ironically, it's conservatives intimidated by educational institutions who lack respect for different forms of intelligence. You inherently distrust and fear academic intelligence and therefore disrespect and insult it as a means of bringing it down to your level.

Teaching critical thinking is what leads to questioning the status quo, not indoctrination. Teach someone critical thinking skills and they stop obeying blindly. That's why conservative parents hate public school and that's why conservatives hate and fear academia.

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KDSTONE said:

I skipped most of that, but I caught the last paragraph. You’re absolutely right. If there’s one thing our public schools are famous for, it’s teaching critical thinking skills. Are you high?

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Dattier said:

K-12 public schools an ivory tower? lol

As an educator with more than 28 years of experience, I've sent students to universities, community colleges, trade schools, the military, job programs, the job market, the arts, etc. I've long recognized and respected different forms of intelligence and that one-size does not fit all. I'm not at all exceptional in this regard when it comes to public school educators. We know how messed up standardized testing is. We know there's an appalling lack of vocational ed. We know and respect that a 4-year university education isn't for everyone.

I'm the last person here who would claim my multiple degrees are a sign of my intelligence. My perseverance, grit, and certain knowledge, certainly, but not my intelligence. And I'm confident of the intelligence I have while aware of its limits.

Ironically, it's conservatives intimidated by educational institutions who lack respect for different forms of intelligence. You inherently distrust and fear academic intelligence and therefore disrespect and insult it as a means of bringing it down to your level.

Teaching critical thinking is what leads to questioning the status quo, not indoctrination. Teach someone critical thinking skills and they stop obeying blindly. That's why conservative parents hate public school and that's why conservatives hate and fear academia.

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AlanInNJ said:

In the transfer era of college basketball, this would go a long way for Duke's future success in the portal. If a player can transfer to Duke and increase his draft potential by working hard and, more importantly IMHO, playing at Duke under the bright lights, it will open the door for future transfers.......whether you like the process or not.

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Dattier said:

I looked up a few of those claims, and as expected, your source exaggerates.

I agree with all the conservatives here that there's a liberal bias in mainstream media. I do not agree that finding deliberately slanted twitter accounts on the right is appropriate counterbalance. It's just evidence of how blind you are to your own need for validation through confirmation bias.

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Mac9192 said:

Not that we need more proof on how corrupt the left is, but other than Elon, almost all (if not all) billionaires support the Democrats.

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KDSTONE said:

He’s in that ivory tower bubble with these “scholars” so it’s no surprise that he cant look at this situation clearly. This is the elite; they create zilch, build zilch, and spend half their time either indoctrinating students or trying to sleep with loose co-eds
Libs like Datt can’t admit how conformist their side is. If one of these guys rated Trump or Reagan near the top they would be villified and bullied until they’re brought back to the rest of the herd of sheep

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Mac9192 said:

All I had to read to confirm my suspicions about @Dattier link to this being a hatchet job was the first two paragraphs.

Academic experts. Talk about an oxymoron.

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christophero said:

Interesting to see Sion popping up on 2nd round mock drafts.

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hart2chesson said:

Thanks Conor, nice read. I think Friday nite's game is a pretty significant, for several reasons:

A win means:

1/Bowl Eligibility
2/Gets the we've never beaten FSU (as conference member), off our back.
3/Re-establishes some momentum before a huge contest (also @ home) vs SMU the following week.

Questions: Obviously ACC coaches play it cool on injury updates at weekly pressers(last several years rule change)as player availability isn't required until what, day of game? However you have any feelings on availability of Jac.Moore, Morris, Bergeron for Friday nite?

Conor, always appreciate all you do....

OFC

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ConorONeill said:

Story on Duke coming out of its off week reenergized.

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christophero said:

Man the Mets are on fire.

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jeffrey236 said:

That’s a good article, and the grades seem to stand up to the visual test. That said, it is not particularly encouraging regarding our skill positions, starting with QB. IMO, this is the weakest we’ve been at that position in a while. Murphy has a strong arm, but no touch, poor accuracy and can’t/won’t run. Not to mention he throws into coverage and has a slow release. I’m really not sure why we went after him. I keep waiting for Manny to go to Henry or Grayson.

The grades didn’t include our kickers. They’re the best we’ve had in some time.

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