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I literally said I was not passing judgment (here) on either side. I even referred to it as perceived oppression specifically to avoid validating the claims of oppression and ruffling your delicate, snowflake sensibility.

Like I said, no concession toward middle ground is ever enough with you or several other conservatives here. You are so intellectually fragile and insecure that anything short of complete and total agreement feels like an attack. You can't handle anything more complex.

You can give me all the information in the world you think I lack on this topic. If it takes a 100% one side stance -- and you do -- it will fall on deaf ears. Your attempts to simplify a very complicated situation are insulting to those involved and to any rational discussion of it. And the same applies to those people on my side of the aisle who can just as articulately and statistically put forth a 100% pro-Palestine stance.
They keep turning down statehood because they refuse to recognize the state of Israel or to live alongside Jews. How is that complicated?

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You're too emotional to participate in anything but a pep rally for one side.
As usual you ignore the questions you can’t answer. What isHezbollah resisting? Iran?
The Left refuses to acknowledge that Jew hatred is at the root of this conflict. The Arabs in the region supported the Nazis during the 30s and The Grand Mufti met with Nazi leaders trying to get them to slaughter all the Jews in the region.
In case you’re confused, this is before 1948.
The extreme Left of your party wants to withhold all funding to Israel, which would render them defenseless if the ballistic attacks of April were repeated.

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The majority Muslim areas ( Gaza and Judea, I mean the West Bank I’ll play along) have been governed by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respectively for almost 20 years. Thousands of Gazans are allowed into Israel to work each day despite almost daily terror attacks Most are thwarted before they actually kill Jews. The fact that the msm doesn’t report each event doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Not to mention daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah to the north. What are they resisting exactly? What’s Iran resisting? They’re behind most of this.
You can own this as well. Iran didn’t have the $ to finance these wars until Biden lifted oil sanctions and put billions back into their war machine. They were crippled when Trump left office. So when you reflexively fall back into your tired narratives, it makes me wonder if you actually think the “Palestinians” are oppressed or if you just simply do not know what you are talking about.
You're too emotional to participate in anything but a pep rally for one side.
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Another justification of Oct 7 from a confused Leftist. Rape and beheading civilians is not revolution or resistance. You should be ashamed of yourself. Babies were cut out of their mother’s wombs.
Don’t you dare try to justify that asshole
I literally said I was not passing judgment (here) on either side. I even referred to it as perceived oppression specifically to avoid validating the claims of oppression and ruffling your delicate, snowflake sensibility.

Like I said, no concession toward middle ground is ever enough with you or several other conservatives here. You are so intellectually fragile and insecure that anything short of complete and total agreement feels like an attack. You can't handle anything more complex.

You can give me all the information in the world you think I lack on this topic. If it takes a 100% one side stance -- and you do -- it will fall on deaf ears. Your attempts to simplify a very complicated situation are insulting to those involved and to any rational discussion of it. And the same applies to those people on my side of the aisle who can just as articulately and statistically put forth a 100% pro-Palestine stance.

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Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.
The majority Muslim areas ( Gaza and Judea, I mean the West Bank I’ll play along) have been governed by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority respectively for almost 20 years. Thousands of Gazans are allowed into Israel to work each day despite almost daily terror attacks Most are thwarted before they actually kill Jews. The fact that the msm doesn’t report each event doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Not to mention daily rocket attacks from Hezbollah to the north. What are they resisting exactly? What’s Iran resisting? They’re behind most of this.
You can own this as well. Iran didn’t have the $ to finance these wars until Biden lifted oil sanctions and put billions back into their war machine. They were crippled when Trump left office. So when you reflexively fall back into your tired narratives, it makes me wonder if you actually think the “Palestinians” are oppressed or if you just simply do not know what you are talking about.

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Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.
Oh so now you know what it feels like to be a “Palestinian”. You know nothing about this conflict other than your own preconceptions about the “oppressed”.
You mention nothing about Hamas’ charter which calls for the destruction of Israel or the fact that the majority of “Palestinians” support Hamas.
They’ve been offered statehood countless times but turn it down each time because their real goal is the killing of all Jews not a state.
You continue to embarrass yourself discussing a topic of which you know absolutely nothing. You’re trying to fit this conflict into your oppressed/ oppressor narrative and it simply isn’t applicable.
Thanks for bringing J6 up again as well.

Another justification of Oct 7 from a confused Leftist. Rape and beheading civilians is not revolution or resistance. You should be ashamed of yourself. Babies were cut out of their mother’s wombs.
Don’t you dare try to justify that asshole

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Okay, that is seriously hilarious. Well played.

I was going to let your dismissal of everything else I said go. But I don't think you've earned it. Do you dispute that it is the left that is less tolerant of opposing views?
I left the rest out because we've gotten into the weeds over all of that before. It's well established that I disagree that the left is less tolerant of opposing views. I have acknowledged that element does indeed exist on the left, as well.

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Let me simplify it for you then.
If Israel puts down its weapons no more Israel.
If Iran and its proxies put down its weapons no more war.
Simplifying it is the problem. That's like saying if a group who believes they are oppressed accepts what they perceive as oppression, no more conflict, and that's acceptable. It's only acceptable to the people on the other side, who are then not inconvenienced. It's just like the parent who tells a kid to stop crying or they'll give them something to cry about: It doesn't actually address or even attempt to address why the kid is crying; it just wants to shut them up for the parent's convenience. In neither case as presented here -- the perceived oppression nor the kid crying -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

One of the primary reason rebellions, revolutions, riots, insurrections, and other political or social violence occurs in the first place is because one group feels like doing nothing is a guarantee of their own demise, and doing anything is better than nothing. So your "no more war" scenario would mean Palestinians accept conditions they already feel are destroying them. Same with the January 6th incident: many of the people involved felt that accepting the result of the 2020 Presidential election would be destroying something they held dear about their country. In neither case as presented here -- Palestinians nor January 6th participants -- am I judging who is right or wrong.

I reject any narrative that sees one side as inherently, 100% good or evil, same with American politics.

🚨 official game day thread game 1- Duke vs Maine 🚨

🕰️ 7:00
📍 Cameron indoor
📺 ACCN

I swear these offseasons get shorter but I’m glad to be officially tipping off what should be a great season.

The Maine black bears roll into Cameron still jealous over losing Cooper (jk) and now they’ll get stomped by him. Maine finished last year 15-17. They have been coached by Chris Markwood since March 2022, prior to Maine he had multiple stints at various schools, most notable as a Boston College assistant coach. Chris and his wife both played basketball at Maine.

Prediction- quick easy win with some flexing

Duke- 113
Maine-62
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