I am sure over 4 decades of coaching K knows the value of keeping the lines of communication OPEN...OFC
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I am sure over 4 decades of coaching K knows the value of keeping the lines of communication OPEN...OFC
How do you assume K wasn't communicating with him?
Ensure him he's going to get plenty of PT? Are you serious with that?
Every program recruits over....whatever the hell that means, anyway.
Don't take this the wrong way, because it's a serious question....but are you hammered drunk this morning?
He came in so confident today coming at everyone’s posts
Yep...and the sh----rs full.
With all due respect, hart, that's a platitude. I want to know specifics in this case.
If they'd been communicating, then why was K surprised? Did Boogie mislead him?
My guess is it was more subtle than that. Coach K probably reassured Boogie, and Boogie listened, but probably grew even less sure over the coming weeks. And he may have been reluctant to express the extent of his second thoughts, because, hell, it's Coach K, and he might've been wary of disappointing him.
But all that's speculation. I suppose ultimately it doesn't really matter.
Boogie is like Nolan if Nolan came to Duke for just one year demanding to play point and then went off to the NBA.
Gosh Bullet, sorry to disappoint you with my statement. All I did buddy was lay out a fact from a guy in the know, and offer an opinion
about what I think is the mindset of our esteemed coach. That is all....."Platitude," baloney....
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That was my point... that "mindset" doesn't tell us anything more specific in this case. It's just a generalization about our coach that we already know. It wasn't an insult... no need for the hypersensitivity.
Again, what I'm getting at isn't complicated... why was K surprised? Were they communicating, and if so, what was the nature of that communication? And I'm posing that to anyone.
As such, do you understand why simply issuing a general statement about Coach K recognizing the importance of communication doesn't address my point specifically?
I think all of us could stand to read things a bit more dispassionately. If someone disagrees with you, it isn't necessarily an insult, passive-aggressive sardonicism, etc.
Again, though, I suspect I answered this question in my previous post.
No "hypersensitivity" at all. I just took exception to your POV. This is really bothering you isnt it. I would suggest digging into it yourself if you have a source and/or listening to our mods podcast for more info. Bullet no one has all the answers, and sorry to disappoint you but we may never know.....Enjoy your day dude...OFC
Word down here in Memphis is Boogie is likely to commit to Penny unless RJ pulls a stunner and chooses Memphis over KU.
I thought the signing of Cassius Stanley lead to Boogie’s decommitment? Tre’s decision to return probably added to it, but I think signing Stanley is what did it in for him.
I don’t understand your comment about communication either. Blue bloods and powerhouse programs are highly competitive every year at majority (if not all) positions for minutes. The pitch a coach gives in most situations is not a promise or guarantee of minutes. Rather a statement saying that player can be a large impact if they buy into the vision. Why would Coach K need to re-communicate that? Tre staying and signing Stanley doesn’t change that opportunity, it still 100% exists. There’s just added competition. K is only stating to him that he has great opportunity, it is solely on Boogie’s shoulders to fulfill it.
He clearly thought those decisions would impact his visionary role that HE is solely in control of fulfilling, which means he doesn’t believe he can out-perform our roster for desired minutes. Looking at how well he has played lately, I think he’s fooling himself. But if he isn’t up for the competition and instead wants to have a more guaranteed role I can’t blame him for decommitting.
. I read somewhere from a Memphis Insider that said Boogie knew he was going to De-committ since the middle of March, which was way before Duke started getting involved with Stanley! Duke’s season was still going on in the middle of March with the uncertainty that Tre was going to leave or stay. I really think the whole issue is that Boogie knew he probably wouldn’t start PG at Duke because if Tre had left, then I’m pretty sure RJ Hampton would be our PG next year, and Boogie probably realized that and knew a starting spot at PG was probably not going to happen.
Jesus... If we had won a championship then I think Tre would of been gone. Maybe that was weighing on his mind. I’ve read a bunch of different stuff, hard telling what the true story is. Committing to Duke has 1 big pro and 1 big con. You’re getting the highest level of spotlight available, but the fight for playing time is highly competitive. K is very well known for that “aces in their places” mentality. If a guy at your position is performing better, he’s going to soak up the minutes.
I (bitterly) understand his decision. Why risk only playing 10-15mpg when you’re guaranteed 30+ elsewhere. Boogie is a good player, but he’s not that top 5 recruit locked in for big minutes guy either.
1. It was a question, not a comment.
2. The question was part of a broader context you may have been unaware of.
3. Most important... the length of this dialogue overall is now out of proportion to my interest in it, so I'm retired from it, so to speak. Again, no disrespect intended towards anyone.
I’m not sure how much weight I’d put into this supposed Memphis insider knowing Boogie was going to bounce from Duke in March.
I can't believe we are still discussing Boogie? What we never had will not be missed. Time for some new threads. OFC
Sky you know Sgt Slaughter so you know a little about the wacky world of pro wrestling! In that vein lets put the "boogie woogie" man talk to rest I agree w/you-Jimmy Valiant style....This will give Ellis a great sendoff! Maybe Dirt can put some special touches on it!
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Doo waaa doo waa doo waa ditti. Talk about the boy from New York City. LOL OFC
I personally didn't see everyone going gaga over a 160 pound (that seems generous) 4 star guy. I guess if he blows up next year I was wrong, but he seems more like a Derryck Thornton type of guy. A better shooter, but may need time to develop.
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This. He’s a good player that will be a nice asset to have for someone, but he doesn’t make or break our season IMO.
I'm not saying he's not a nice player. He could develop into a Kyle Lowery type in 3 or 4 years. But he sees himself as Derrick Rose. If he goes all Tre Young feel free to repost this in a year lol but what are the odds of that?
AOC was subpar at best defensively and although he could shoot lets not act like he was some 3PT specialist.
Cam mostly took good shots, they just didn’t fall. You don’t give a player tough love for missing on good shot selections. RJ’s +/- was 2nd best on the team behind Zion.
1- You complained about having no tough love, now you are complaining that K didn’t develop their confidence. You’re spinning in circles.
2- That’s not accurate lol wtf
3- It’s called ISO and when the roleplayers aren’t providing any help or moving then it’s virtually the only option.
RJ Barrett was an All-American.
Jack White was a junior and 3-star recruit who averaged 20mpg and shot 20something% from behind the arc.
Lol... yaaaaaaaa ok
We’ve won 2 national championships in the past decade. If you expect to win every single year go buy a video game.
‘95 NBA playoffs Jordan is playing terrible against the Magic. 30%FG, 8 turnovers. Had the final shot to tie and turned it over. The best players should be in the game even if they are having a bad night. Do you want to question Phil Jackson while you’re at it?
Jack White was injured. Alex doesn’t need time to develop his shot, his shot is developed.
Did you know that you can just post a thought 1 time and it’ll be sufficient? You don’t have to post the same statement with different wording 50 times.
5th in defensive efficiency.
You just said the OAD era is a misnomer
This year Virginia won the national championship with 3 starters averaging 30+mpg and they had a 7 man rotation. Also MSU beat us to advance to the F4, they have a 7 man rotation and a few starters averaging 30+mpg.
AOC was subpar at best defensively and although he could shoot lets not act like he was some 3PT specialist.
Cam mostly took good shots, they just didn’t fall. You don’t give a player tough love for missing on good shot selections. RJ’s +/- was 2nd best on the team behind Zion.
1- You complained about having no tough love, now you are complaining that K didn’t develop their confidence. You’re spinning in circles.
2- That’s not accurate lol wtf
3- It’s called ISO and when the roleplayers aren’t providing any help or moving then it’s virtually the only option.
RJ Barrett was an All-American.
Jack White was a junior and 3-star recruit who averaged 20mpg and shot 20something% from behind the arc.
Lol... yaaaaaaaa ok
We’ve won 2 national championships in the past decade. If you expect to win every single year go buy a video game.
‘95 NBA playoffs Jordan is playing terrible against the Magic. 30%FG, 8 turnovers. Had the final shot to tie and turned it over. The best players should be in the game even if they are having a bad night. Do you want to question Phil Jackson while you’re at it?
Jack White was injured. Alex doesn’t need time to develop his shot, his shot is developed.
Did you know that you can just post a thought 1 time and it’ll be sufficient? You don’t have to post the same statement with different wording 50 times.
5th in defensive efficiency.
You just said the OAD era is a misnomer
This year Virginia won the national championship with 3 starters averaging 30+mpg and they had a 7 man rotation. Also MSU beat us to advance to the F4, they have a 7 man rotation and a few starters averaging 30+mpg.
Excellent arguments on your behalf BP!
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So how do you make a tissue dance?........Put a little Boogie in it!
6 pages and counting for a side that never played a second for Duke....hmmmmm
I know....good lord. I stopped reading the above novel after two sentences. My time is much too valuable
Some of our fans are hung up TOO MUCH UNFORTUNATELY IMO, on who departs....He's gone, goodbye, as Coach K says- "NEXT PLAY!" OFC
Oh, you’re one of those? I bet you fast forward through commercials, too, don’t you?
So...if Boogie had stayed how many minutes would he get his freshman, sophomore and junior years? We need to discuss this in great detail.
So...if Boogie had stayed how many minutes would he get his freshman, sophomore and junior years? We need to discuss this in great detail.
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I don’t think even 1/3 of these posts are about Boogie. I rarely see any threads that stay right on topic, we all branch out in conversation. Nobody’s hung up on him that I’ve noticed.
Ya I tend to write long posts. It’s a free country though, ain’t gotta read it
Ya I tend to write long posts. It’s a free country though, ain’t gotta read it
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