Let me explain a little better. There are certain players who I believe we all felt would have great careers. Irving and Grant come to mind but we've had if not only solid but mighty good careers. My pick is J.J. and yes I know he was a 1st rounder but I strongly remember the critics mostly from that through group that felt his career would be brief. He has worked hard on the things he was weak in and although a journeyman he has become a starter for most of the teams he's played for and shows no signs of going down hill. In fact he seems to be getting better.