I haven't sided with anyone i just gave info on the Rice incident that was spoken about....you are right if it was a spur of the moment, I gotta a decision to make (me or you)...100% get that....take a look at the video....the officers could have easily exited their vehicle from a far and approached or even used their sirens and radio/bull horn to get his attention, lots of options other than run right along side the gazebo structure and shoot him before he even opened his door good...that's all
Not sure why you took my comment personally. I was just giving my perspective. Was more an answer to Dattier than a response to your comments. But yes. Watch the video. Your POV is focused on how quickly the officer shot. You seem to acknowledge how tough of a situation he was put in, but then circle back to how soon after arriving it was for the officer to fire a single shot. You also exaggerate the manner in which the officers arrive. Their job is to protect the public. From their perspective, Tamir was a threat to the public according to his actions. As they pull up, Tamir raises his hand with the gun towards the officer. At this point, the officer can appease you by allowing Tamir to potentially shoot him, or he can do what is most important to him and his family and go home that night. We can Monday morning quarterback the shit out of this because we know that the gun Tamir had was a BB gun. But that officer didn't have the luxury of hindsight at that moment like you do now. Again, the blame goes to the people responsible for raising Tamir and the ones influencing his behavior. I didn't have the greatest parental figures in my life, but I was always taught to treat BB guns as if they were real guns and definitely not point them at people.
Didn't take anything personally...continued conversation and I agreed to the split second decisions already...my only thing was pulling up on him so aggressively and immediately shooting b4 the door was even opened...blame his parents or adults in his life for playing with a BB gun in the park...how many kids have pointed a bb gun or toy gun and make shooting sounds...no reports of shots fired or anyone hurt, just seems too much too fast with several others options to start...any many people veer from what is taught and right and not always make good choices..never blamed the officers at all, just that it was too fast and could've been done way differently
Dude. They didn't pull up aggressively, that's an exaggeration on your part. And he shot before the door was even opened because he had a gun pointed at him before the door was even opened. On one sentence, you pretend to respect the difficulty of a split second decision. In the next, you don't think he has the right to make that decision. And yes. Playing with a BB gun in public has always been a no no with responsible parents. You are acting like it is acceptable behavior to point guns at people. He wasn't playing pew pew. He was intimidating people because he thought being a gangster was cool. This isn't a plastic BB gun that doesn't look real. It was an aerosol pistol that looks real, especially when. The piece that identifies it as a BB gun is purposefully removed to make it look more real. And, if you think it is okay to shoot someone in the face with a BB gun, you are as moronic as the adults in his life. I am not saying that his poor choice should have ended his life. Especially at his age. I am saying that I in this circumstance, it is understandable how it did and his guidance is what put him in that situation.
Last I checked, you presented a single example pinning it aaaaaall on LBJ’s Democratic admin, and I responded with 2 GOP and 1 Democratic examples.
I brought up Tamir Rice in response to the idea that Derek Chauvin’s conviction was predetermined. A 12-year-old who was shot within 2 seconds of officers arriving on the scene seems like a much more convenient time for railroading a cop with a bad record than the death of a wife-beating, drug-using, bad check writing ne’er do well.
Just throwing out a laundry list of grievances isn’t winning an argument. The behavioral shift occurred with the passage of the Grest Society. The policies you cite may have exacerbated the problem, but didn’t cause it. They came after, in the last two cases, long after the breakdown of the nuclear family.
Okay, blame it aaaaaaaaall on the Great Society. I dgaML. The end result is that influences well beyond free and fair individual choices influenced it, so you agree, then, that personal responsibility is an insufficient catch-all for fixing whatever ails the Black community.
No one has argued that these cops should be held up as the exemplars on how to deescalate a fraught situation I don’t think.
That’s just it, though. I’m not cherry-picking the easy examples. I’m not trying to “win.” I’m not even arguing the merits of individual examples.
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Did you even look at what I was responding to? @GhostOf301 claimed they didn’t pull up aggressively. The video shows otherwise.
A few times but I was usually one of the last ones picked so they didn’t let me know about all the cool lingo
You have added so much of what I didn't say to seemingly make what you are saying make more sense to you or something???....I have already said I agree with split sec decisions...I have already said it was a BB gun and not try to make it seem as if was a toy by any stretch of the imagination...nor said anything about shooting anyone in face with a BB gun being okay...the approach in that situation had several options before any officer was in harms way...they chose to pull right up beside him and shoot him almost instantly upon arrival...the video is pretty clear
And popularized by the great AFAM scholar Rasheed Wallace no less. I was better off not knowing.
Yes, yes, you can win all the Twister games in the world explaining it away.
Hahaha..my fave heel of all time..lol....yep when a bad call goes against you and the basketball gods make it right...lol
You know full damn well that if you were a businessman or an attorney and weren’t around kids all the time you wouldn’t know half this sh you’re so proud of knowing.
It was a terrible and tragic situation. But what does the video show that disproves what I have said?
I’m an old. I getting ready for bed.
You obviously don't respect gun safety. You excused his behavior by making it seem as if pointing a BB gun at strangers' faces was just kids being kids. If you point a gun at someone, you better be willing to pull the trigger. So if you're okay with him pointing the gun at their face, you're alright with him shooting them because it's just a BB gun and his just pew pew'ing.
Concerns about retribution for a non guilty verdict were real. And then you had Maxine Waters:
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Well, I have explained why I don't agree and given explanations to why they should have gotten to him as quickly as possible. Still, whoever allowed him to think playing around with guns, BB gun or not, was cool is very much to blame for this.
There you go again making up stuff about what I said / think / agree with...so was he doing it from a distance or was he actually in adults faces???...curiosity question out loud....when they pulled up kid was sitting at a table all by himself...they seemed to not survey anything, just literally pulled up guns blazing...you really went from me thinking pew pewing is okay to him actually shooting a person is okay...I've said neither is okay...hilarious
So you just talking inaccuracies to just be able to say what you really want to say......cool
No. You keep contradicting yourself. I'm not talking inaccuracies, I am more embellishing to mock your comments on kids and BB guns in public. It wasn't productive, I will own that.
Clearly said he was wrong for that and never said it was ok to do that...you were blaming the adults in his life for pointing a BB at gun at people...cop and robbers...Cowboys and indians..."some" kids have pew pew'n before
Okay. Did you watch the video of him pointing the gun at random people, or just the video of him being shot by police? The way he was pointing the gun at people, in their face, was not like 9 year olds playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians. It wasn't playful at all. It was intimidating and threatening. That is learned behavior. The adults in his life failed him. He was acting gangster, not cowboy.
