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[Dattier]

Here we are going back and forth with @Dattier over something that happened years ago.

I tried to keep it at the simple statement that I agreed George Floyd is not a hero.

I'm not saying Trump is great, but I think he has more care to him than most up there.

On the contrary, I think the GOP dances to his drum and that the chaos over the Big Beautiful Bill is a reflection of our President. You mentioned that they get us all fired up and then don't deliver; @Dahntay#1 said they are putting on a show to keep us divided. I think that's our President's style. He chases headlines. He says provocative and outrageous things, signs feel-good but trivial EOs that are struck down by courts immediately, and yo-yos back-and-forth with tariffs. Chaos is his style.

 

[GhostOf301]

I don't disagree with any of that. I would add that (1) the officers, including Chauvin, failed to deescalate, and that as sober officers of the law, that was their responsibility, and (2) that nothing short of immediate physical threat justifies an officer's use of deadly force, including against non-heroes who have committed any and every type of crime prior to this moment.

To your #2. I don't believe there was ever a deliberate intent to use deadly force by any of the officers involved. Including Chauvin.

I have watched many training videos of how to subdue an out of control person who may be under the influence of mind altering drugs, or having a mental episode. The tactic they used here is not uncommon. Their attempt was to hold him until he could restrained on a stretcher and receive medical attention. The video was hard to watch because of the outcome. And your natural, initial reaction is that Chauvin used excessive force and his actions killed a man. But when you gather all the facts and understand the condition Floyd was in, you can come to a different conclusion. And you should. But there was never a chance for Chauvin to receive a fair trial because of what would have happened in response.

 

[Mac9192]

On the contrary, I think the GOP dances to his drum and that the chaos over the Big Beautiful Bill is a reflection of our President. You mentioned that they get us all fired up and then don't deliver; @Dahntay#1 said they are putting on a show to keep us divided. I think that's our President's style. He chases headlines. He says provocative and outrageous things, signs feel-good but trivial EOs that are struck down by courts immediately, and yo-yos back-and-forth with tariffs. Chaos is his style.

Color me surprised, but I see a little in what you said. I do think Trump does and says some provocative things, but I also see why. DC is a mess, and was a mess long before he got there. It's just most thought "their side" was right, and the other was liars, full of crap... Trump made many (I'm one) come to the realization that we've all been played for decades.

I think DC feels real uneasy with him at the helm. And I think that's a good thing.

 

[GhostOf301]

Crimes committed against selected victims typically happen within their race. You don't hear white on white crime because in general, white people and the propagandists don't ignore the vast majority of crimes within their race and drastically exaggerate the much smaller number of crimes committed against their race by another race. When you look at crimes committed against a race by a person of a different race, you are far more likely to be a white victim of violence committed by a black person than the other way around. Yet, the narrative is that black people are targeted by whites or cops in this country because of systemic racism. When a black man is killed by 3 white people, he was a victim of racism. When a white man is killed by 3 black people, he was a victim of a crime. It's viewed totally different for some reason. We know why. But the point is, if we all really want the black community to thrive and not be victims of senseless violence, in house is where to start.

 

[Dahntay#1]

Crimes committed against selected victims typically happen within their race. You don't hear white on white crime because in general, white people and the propagandists don't ignore the vast majority of crimes within their race and drastically exaggerate the much smaller number of crimes committed against their race by another race. When you look at crimes committed against a race by a person of a different race, you are far more likely to be a white victim of violence committed by a black person than the other way around. Yet, the narrative is that black people are targeted by whites or cops in this country because of systemic racism. When a black man is killed by 3 white people, he was a victim of racism. When a white man is killed by 3 black people, he was a victim of a crime. It's viewed totally different for some reason. We know why. But the point is, if we all really want the black community to thrive and not be victims of senseless violence, in house is where to start.

The goal is to keep black people constantly upset about “racism”. As long as black people are upset about said “racism”, they will continue to vote for Democrats. Thats the end goal. If black people voted mostly Republican the way they used to, there would be no more Democratic Party. They would never win another election and they know it.

 

[Dattier]

Crimes committed against selected victims typically happen within their race. You don't hear white on white crime because in general, white people and the propagandists don't ignore the vast majority of crimes within their race and drastically exaggerate the much smaller number of crimes committed against their race by another race. When you look at crimes committed against a race by a person of a different race, you are far more likely to be a white victim of violence committed by a black person than the other way around.

The term "white on white crime" doesn't exist because race is not suspected as relevant to the motive, just the proximity. It should be the same way with "Black on Black crime," but someone or someones found it strategically advantageous to create that term.

There is a difference in law between committing a crime against a person of a different race and committing a crime against a person because of their different race.

Yet, the narrative is that black people are targeted by whites or cops in this country because of systemic racism. When a black man is killed by 3 white people, he was a victim of racism. When a white man is killed by 3 black people, he was a victim of a crime. It's viewed totally different for some reason. We know why. But the point is, if we all really want the black community to thrive and not be victims of senseless violence, in house is where to start.

That is a narrative, and it is a narrative that has lots of compelling evidence to back it.

I don't know why it's viewed totally different. Or rather, I don't know that we agree why. In fact, I highly suspect we do not agree.

I agree with you that fixing almost every problem begins with fixing what you can fix yourself. I'm of the opinion that most people within the Black community are already doing just about all they can in-house. If we have to sequence steps, as if you can't do both at once, once you've addressed things in-house, if something is still wrong, it's appropriate to look critically at the system and address problems there.

 

[dukesince91]

To your #2. I don't believe there was ever a deliberate intent to use deadly force by any of the officers involved. Including Chauvin.

I have watched many training videos of how to subdue an out of control person who may be under the influence of mind altering drugs, or having a mental episode. The tactic they used here is not uncommon. Their attempt was to hold him until he could restrained on a stretcher and receive medical attention. The video was hard to watch because of the outcome. And your natural, initial reaction is that Chauvin used excessive force and his actions killed a man. But when you gather all the facts and understand the condition Floyd was in, you can come to a different conclusion. And you should. But there was never a chance for Chauvin to receive a fair trial because of what would have happened in response.

I would love to see Dattier patrol the inner city streets for just a weekend. His eyes might open up just a wee bit about what the cops have to deal with and how they have to make split second decisions. The more he posts the stupider he becomes. Him saying it’s normal to bus people in for protests is another laugher. I’m just going to have to put him on ignore. I’m so happy I live in a small town and don’t have to deal with so much BS from the far left.

 

[Dahntay#1]

@Dattier there’s literally no compelling evidence that white cops target black people more than any other race. Literally none. I’m not sure if you are making this is up or purposely misinterpreting data.

 

[Dahntay#1]

I would love to see Dattier patrol the inner city streets for just a weekend. His eyes might open up just a wee bit about what the cops have to deal with and how they have to make split second decisions. The more he posts the stupider he becomes. Him saying it’s normal to bus people in for protests is another laugher. I’m just going to have to put him on ignore. I’m so happy I live in a small town and don’t have to deal with so much BS from the far left.

He knows. Trust me. But with his worldview, he has to inherently protect certain demographics. In their minds, certain demographics have no responsibility for where they are in life.

 

[Dattier]

To your #2. I don't believe there was ever a deliberate intent to use deadly force by any of the officers involved. Including Chauvin.

I have watched many training videos of how to subdue an out of control person who may be under the influence of mind altering drugs, or having a mental episode. The tactic they used here is not uncommon. Their attempt was to hold him until he could restrained on a stretcher and receive medical attention. The video was hard to watch because of the outcome. And your natural, initial reaction is that Chauvin used excessive force and his actions killed a man. But when you gather all the facts and understand the condition Floyd was in, you can come to a different conclusion. And you should. But there was never a chance for Chauvin to receive a fair trial because of what would have happened in response.

The most serious offense Chauvin was convicted of was unintentional 2nd degree homicide, so the courts would agree w/ you that there was no deliberate intent to use deadly force against Floyd. I have no argument with that.

Not being allowed to conduct my own autopsy, I have to trust the official autopsy reports. One noted that he had drugs in his system, and also that he died as a result of Chauvin's knee on his neck. Both autopsies concluded that he died as a result of Chauvin's actions. The whole rumor that Floyd actually died of an overdose is based on the same autopsy report that identified the drugs in his system, then concluded it was homicide.

 

[Dattier]

I would love to see Dattier patrol the inner city streets for just a weekend. His eyes might open up just a wee bit about what the cops have to deal with and how they have to make split second decisions. The more he posts the stupider he becomes. Him saying it’s normal to bus people in for protests is another laugher. I’m just going to have to put him on ignore. I’m so happy I live in a small town and don’t have to deal with so much BS from the far left.

First anyone has crossed that line here in days.

 

[KDSTONE]

I wasn't talking about billions in property damage and hundreds of businesses destroyed when I mentioned that I don't know what was in Chauvin's heart. I was addressing whether Derek Chauvin is racist or not, and I do not know either way.

I don't think media or the Dems brought race into this. The people did. The media reported it. Dems repeated it. For people who believe that systemic racism is a major problem, focusing on that angle is understandable. If the exact same thing happened to a white person, they would deserve the same justice in a court of law that George Floyd received posthumously. That it would be different people advocating for a police brutality victim based on possible contributing factors isn't a big deal to me.

Someone doesn't have to profess racist things or have personal racial animus in order to do racist things within the context of systemic racism. Surely there were Black NYPD officers doing "stop & frisk" on mostly Black pedestrians in NYC before that was deemed unconstitutional. The policy was the problem, not necessarily the individual officers.

I don’t think the media or the Dems brought race into this.
Your unwillingness to concede even the most basic, obvious points when the Left is at fault turns some of these debates into a bit of a farcical enterprise

 

[KDSTONE]

The most serious offense Chauvin was convicted of was unintentional 2nd degree homicide, so the courts would agree w/ you that there was no deliberate intent to use deadly force against Floyd. I have no argument with that.

Not being allowed to conduct my own autopsy, I have to trust the official autopsy reports. One noted that he had drugs in his system, and also that he died as a result of Chauvin's knee on his neck. Both autopsies concluded that he died as a result of Chauvin's actions. The whole rumor that Floyd actually died of an overdose is based on the same autopsy report that identified the drugs in his system, then concluded it was homicide.

He likely died of a cardiac incident, caused by drug and alcohol abuse- related heart failure. Difficulty breathing shows up in stages 3 and 4 heart failure.

 

[Dattier]

@Dattier there’s literally no compelling evidence that white cops target black people more than any other race. Literally none. I’m not sure if you are making this is up or purposely misinterpreting data.

You're on record here denying racism exists at all. I'm not sure how I should present evidence of something you don't think exists, or why I would bother. You've also changed the phrasing of what I said there was compelling evidence of.

 

[KDSTONE]

I wasn't talking about billions in property damage and hundreds of businesses destroyed when I mentioned that I don't know what was in Chauvin's heart. I was addressing whether Derek Chauvin is racist or not, and I do not know either way.

I don't think media or the Dems brought race into this. The people did. The media reported it. Dems repeated it. For people who believe that systemic racism is a major problem, focusing on that angle is understandable. If the exact same thing happened to a white person, they would deserve the same justice in a court of law that George Floyd received posthumously. That it would be different people advocating for a police brutality victim based on possible contributing factors isn't a big deal to me.

Someone doesn't have to profess racist things or have personal racial animus in order to do racist things within the context of systemic racism. Surely there were Black NYPD officers doing "stop & frisk" on mostly Black pedestrians in NYC before that was deemed unconstitutional. The policy was the problem, not necessarily the individual officers.

“Surely there were” …. Chauvin’s life and freedom was on trial. He deserved more than reasonable assumptions.

 

[Dattier]

He knows. Trust me. But with his worldview, he has to inherently protect certain demographics. In their minds, certain demographics have no responsibility for where they are in life.

You're not a mind-reader.
I very clearly stated agreement w/ @GhostOf301 that solving problems in your life begins at home.
You're essentially making things up about me that directly contradict things I've said.

 

[Mac9192]

Not being allowed to conduct my own autopsy, I have to trust the official autopsy reports. One noted that he had drugs in his system, and also that he died as a result of Chauvin's knee on his neck. Both autopsies concluded that he died as a result of Chauvin's actions. The whole rumor that Floyd actually died of an overdose is based on the same autopsy report that identified the drugs in his system, then concluded it was homicide.

I may be wrong, but I remember hearing something about the real findings of the autopsy not being released. There's no way the people could really know the truth. He was guilty, the trial was just a formality. Someone had to take the fall, and the narrative had been set. A poor, innocent black man being killed by a mean, racist, white cop.

Maybe I'm wrong and Chauvin is everything the media said he was. I know how truthful the media is. I also have some ocean front property in Kansas for sale too.

 

[Dattier]

I don’t think the media or the Dems brought race into this.
Your unwillingness to concede even the most basic, obvious points when the Left is at fault turns some of these debates into a bit of a farcical enterprise

This is the second time today you've bold quoted a single sentence I wrote, truncating relevant context provided in the very next sentences.
"I don't think media or the Dems brought race into this. The people did. The media reported it. Dems repeated it. "
I mean that I don't think they created it. They were the means through which we learned of it, like pretty much everything out of our direct eyesight. They were responsible for spreading that message. Perhaps I'm being very pedantic about this, splitting hairs over who did what. I feel like y'all see the media as some middle school gossip who makes up deliberate lies just to create drama. I just don't think it's that bad or that simple.

 

[KDSTONE]

He knows. Trust me. But with his worldview, he has to inherently protect certain demographics. In their minds, certain demographics have no responsibility for where they are in life.

The Left has infantilized the Black community for decades. The more racism they can find, the more govt intervention is necessary. They’ve gotten so desperate they fall for racial hoaxes again and again: Smollett, the race car driver noose incident, Michael Brown, Nicholas Sandmann, etc.
Just like the old SNL skit where the solution is always “ more cowbell”, for Dems the solution is always more govt.

 

[Dattier]

He likely died of a cardiac incident, caused by drug and alcohol abuse- related heart failure. Difficulty breathing shows up in stages 3 and 4 heart failure.

Neither autopsy, including the one that is the only source of info that he had drugs in his body, concluded that.

Just a guess here... I suspect it's a lot easier to choke a skinny-necked person to death than it is a muscular-necked person. Just a hunch. The cause of death for that poor skinny-necked operson would not be their skinny neck. It would be the person who choked them to death.

Would a healthier, sober person have survived Chauvin's actions? Okay. That does not change the autopsy's conclusion.

 

[KDSTONE]

This is the second time today you've bold quoted a single sentence I wrote, truncating relevant context provided in the very next sentences.
"I don't think media or the Dems brought race into this. The people did. The media reported it. Dems repeated it. "
I mean that I don't think they created it. They were the means through which we learned of it, like pretty much everything out of our direct eyesight. They were responsible for spreading that message. Perhaps I'm being very pedantic about this, splitting hairs over who did what. I feel like y'all see the media as some middle school gossip who makes up deliberate lies just to create drama. I just don't think it's that bad or that simple.

Yet the msm is flawed to the point where you’ve repeatedly denied being a consumer of it, so I assume you have your reasons. When convenient, however, you come to its defense as you recognize that the Dem Party would be sunk if not for a cheerleader msm spreading hoaxes and lies to further its agenda.

 

[Dahntay#1]

You're on record here denying racism exists at all. I'm not sure how I should present evidence of something you don't think exists, or why I would bother. You've also changed the phrasing of what I said there was compelling evidence of.

You bring up a good point. I’m going to say this as respectfully as possible. You’re always going to struggle to provide “evidence” with someone like me. If a white person says that racism doesn’t exist, you can just play the guilt game on them. That doesn’t work with me because I’m black and likely know way more about black history and the black community than you do.

As far as racism not existing, let me explain. It’s an ambiguous word that is useless. Very similar to sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, etc. It’s a relatively new word that is simply used to spook white people the same way “sexism” is used to spook men.

 

[Dahntay#1]

The Left has infantilized the Black community for decades. The more racism they can find, the more govt intervention is necessary. They’ve gotten so desperate they fall for racial hoaxes again and again: Smollett, the race car driver noose incident, Michael Brown, Nicholas Sandmann, etc.
Just like the old SNL skit where the solution is always “ more cowbell”, for Dems the solution is always more govt.

“The big bad disgusting white man is out to get you! And there’s only one way out of this. That’s if you vote for me!!”

-Dems

 

[KDSTONE]

Neither autopsy, including the one that is the only source of info that he had drugs in his body, concluded that.

Just a guess here... I suspect it's a lot easier to choke a skinny-necked person to death than it is a muscular-necked person. Just a hunch. The cause of death for that poor skinny-necked operson would not be their skinny neck. It would be the person who choked them to death.

Would a healthier, sober person have survived Chauvin's actions? Okay. That does not change the autopsy's conclusion.

And then we arrive at the question ‘Would a reasonable person have known that his actions were placing Floyd’s life in danger?’ Not initially, but after a few seconds yes.
He didn’t know about Floyd’s heart condition but Floyd telling Chauvin that he couldn’t breathe negated this lack of knowledge, and was ultimately the linchpin of the prosecution’s case that led to his conviction.

 

[Dattier]

I may be wrong, but I remember hearing something about the real findings of the autopsy not being released. There's no way the people could really know the truth. He was guilty, the trial was just a formality. Someone had to take the fall, and the narrative had been set. A poor, innocent black man being killed by a mean, racist, white cop.

Maybe I'm wrong and Chauvin is everything the media said he was. I know how truthful the media is. I also have some ocean front property in Kansas for sale too.

I find it perplexing how many people readily accept the innocence of Daniel Pantaleo, Darren Wilson, Timothy Loemann, Sean Williams, Jeronimo Yanez, and more without question, citing legal decisions, yet when it comes to Derek Chauvin and Amber Guyger, the court system was fixed against them.

I mean, Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old playing with an airsoft gun. Doesn't get any more sympathetic than that, but no conviction there. Not even charges.

There was rioting in Ferguson and Minneapolis after Michael Brown's killer and Philando Castille's killer went free. There is not some grand conspiracy to convict innocent police officers to prevent civil unrest and rioting.

 

[KDSTONE]

You're not a mind-reader.
I very clearly stated agreement w/ @GhostOf301 that solving problems in your life begins at home.
You're essentially making things up about me that directly contradict things I've said.

Problem with that is, white racism is the only problem ever discussed amongst Dems. White liberals are uncomfortable discussing out of wedlock birth rates, high crime rates, etc. Bill Cosby was vilified for bringing up high oow birth rates.
Granted, not the best spokesman in retrospect, but his reasoning seemed sound at the time ha ha

 

[Dattier]

Yet the msm is flawed to the point where you’ve repeatedly denied being a consumer of it, so I assume you have your reasons. When convenient, however, you come to its defense as you recognize that the Dem Party would be sunk if not for a cheerleader msm spreading hoaxes and lies to further its agenda.

I'm aware of msm. I'm not beholden to it. Was it you who asked last week what media I use? I said using multiple, diverse sources and checking source material is part of my process.

Anyway, I presume the matter of my opinion on the media's role in reporting on the George Floyd killing has been cleared up.

 

[Dattier]

Problem with that is, white racism is the only problem ever discussed amongst Dems. White liberals are uncomfortable discussing out of wedlock birth rates, high crime rates, etc. Bill Cosby was vilified for bringing up high oow birth rates.
Granted, not the best spokesman in retrospect, but his reasoning seemed sound at the time ha ha

Come on. ONLY problem ever discussed?

I just had a student tell me he was ready to be a father. I told him no he wasn't and discouraged him. That's a one-on-one, personal discussion, where personal responsibility should definitely be included. When we're seeing an epidemic of teen pregnancies, oow births, high crime rates, it's not enough to say it's a bunch of individuals coincidentally failing to take personal responsibility in the same way en masse. If we're serious about fixing these things, we have to look at underlying causes. I think it sounds tough to tell people to take personal responsibility, but it's really a cop-out from people who have no clue what kind of responsibility a given person has taken and doesn't want to have to participate in any way beyond giving that dismissive advice. And saying it's "culture" is just copping out one step further. How did that culture come to be? What values exist? What conditions influence choices? Subcultures exist within a bigger cultural and societal context.

 

[KDSTONE]

Come on. ONLY problem ever discussed?

I just had a student tell me he was ready to be a father. I told him no he wasn't and discouraged him. That's a one-on-one, personal discussion, where personal responsibility should definitely be included. When we're seeing an epidemic of teen pregnancies, oow births, high crime rates, it's not enough to say it's a bunch of individuals coincidentally failing to take personal responsibility in the same way en masse. If we're serious about fixing these things, we have to look at underlying causes. I think it sounds tough to tell people to take personal responsibility, but it's really a cop-out from people who have no clue what kind of responsibility a given person has taken and doesn't want to have to participate in any way beyond giving that dismissive advice. And saying it's "culture" is just copping out one step further. How did that culture come to be? What values exist? What conditions influence choices? Subcultures exist within a bigger cultural and societal context.

I was referring to discussions in the media and Dem party, not individual Dems in their personal lives. You’re pretending that it’s a mystery why the ooc birth rate is so high when we all know the rate exploded in the 60s when the Great Society sidelined Black men’s’ financial contributions to the family. Women were ineligible for cash payments if the father lived in the home with the kids so he was encouraged to move out. He then was more likely to father children from other women, setting the dependency cycle in motion once more. A welfare recipient was encouraged to have more and more kids as there was no cap on payments as there is today. So these are some of the main decisions that have influenced choices, to answer your questions.

 

[KDSTONE]

Come on. ONLY problem ever discussed?

I just had a student tell me he was ready to be a father. I told him no he wasn't and discouraged him. That's a one-on-one, personal discussion, where personal responsibility should definitely be included. When we're seeing an epidemic of teen pregnancies, oow births, high crime rates, it's not enough to say it's a bunch of individuals coincidentally failing to take personal responsibility in the same way en masse. If we're serious about fixing these things, we have to look at underlying causes. I think it sounds tough to tell people to take personal responsibility, but it's really a cop-out from people who have no clue what kind of responsibility a given person has taken and doesn't want to have to participate in any way beyond giving that dismissive advice. And saying it's "culture" is just copping out one step further. How did that culture come to be? What values exist? What conditions influence choices? Subcultures exist within a bigger cultural and societal context.

The burdens of parenthood clearly don’t outweigh the joys of unsafe sex so until this equation changes the percentages won’t change.

 

[Dattier]

I was referring to discussions in the media and Dem party, not individual Dems in their personal lives. You’re pretending that it’s a mystery why the ooc birth rate is so high when we all know the rate exploded in the 60s when the Great Society sidelined Black men’s’ financial contributions to the family. Women were ineligible for cash payments if the father lived in the home with the kids so he was encouraged to move out. He then was more likely to father children from other women, setting the dependency cycle in motion once more. A welfare recipient was encouraged to have more and more kids as there was no cap on payments as there is today. So these are some of the main decisions that have influenced choices, to answer your questions.

Redlining, Nixon's War on Drugs, then Reagan's prison industrial complex, then Clinton's (and Biden's) crime bill...

All of which is to say we both acknowledge how things beyond the individual have harmed the individual and can't be solved by the individual. Some overcome, but the problem persists.

 

[Mac9192]

I find it perplexing how many people readily accept the innocence of Daniel Pantaleo, Darren Wilson, Timothy Loemann, Sean Williams, Jeronimo Yanez, and more without question, citing legal decisions, yet when it comes to Derek Chauvin and Amber Guyger, the court system was fixed against them.

I mean, Tamir Rice was a 12-year-old playing with an airsoft gun. Doesn't get any more sympathetic than that, but no conviction there. Not even charges.

There was rioting in Ferguson and Minneapolis after Michael Brown's killer and Philando Castille's killer went free. There is not some grand conspiracy to convict innocent police officers to prevent civil unrest and rioting.

Honestly, I'm not remembering every instance you cited. From what I just looked up on reliable Google about the Rice kid, it definitely was a tragic situation. The summary reads like the cop royally messed up, and just based off google, he should have been charged. The fact he didn't though tells me there might be more to it. One thing I've learned over the years is when the media is reporting something, don't automatically assume the info they're sharing is all that's needed.

I do however remember Michael Brown being shot and killed. You shouldn't have even brought him into making your point. You have none with him. Is it tragic he died? Yes. Did he cause the situation? Yes.

 

[KDSTONE]

Redlining, Nixon's War on Drugs, then Reagan's prison industrial complex, then Clinton's (and Biden's) crime bill...

All of which is to say we both acknowledge how things beyond the individual have harmed the individual and can't be solved by the individual. Some overcome, but the problem persists.

Convenient argument to absolve Dems of primary responsibility. Certainly better than deconstructing the myth of the Great Society, sacrosanct to liberals’ self image and to the Dems as a party. The crime bills? Meh, widely unpopular examples of what not to do going forward, that is betraying the party’s core soft on crime instincts.
When did the rates spike? Not the 80s, not the 90s. By this time the damage to the family had already been done. Put all the welfare clients in govt funded ghettos where the dysfunctional will be normalized and it will be easier to do regular home inspections in one fell swoop lest G-d forbid Daddy is sneaking around taking care of his kids. So in order to avoid even the appearance of impropriety, fathers were scared to even visit very often lest neighbors snitch that he was “ living there” and open mother up to accusations of welfare fraud.

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

Honestly, I'm not remembering every instance you cited. From what I just looked up on reliable Google about the Rice kid, it definitely was a tragic situation. The summary reads like the cop royally messed up, and just based off google, he should have been charged. The fact he didn't though tells me there might be more to it. One thing I've learned over the years is when the media is reporting something, don't automatically assume the info they're sharing is all that's needed.

I do however remember Michael Brown being shot and killed. You shouldn't have even brought him into making your point. You have none with him. Is it tragic he died? Yes. Did he cause the situation? Yes.

Tamir Rice was in a park playing with pellet gun...the reports were he was pointing at people...after sitting on a bench for more than 3 minutes, a squad car pulls right up to him on the bench and the officer opens his door and immediately began shooting him to death

 

[KDSTONE]

Tamir Rice was in a park playing with pellet gun...the reports were he was pointing at people...after sitting on a bench for more than 3 minutes, a squad car pulls right up to him on the bench and the officer opens his door and immediately began shooting him to death

You conveniently leave out the following: a) the gun replica lacked the orange tip which would signify that it was a toy gun and b) the officers yelled “show me your hands” upon arriving, at which point Tamir began to assume a firing position.
To add to it all, the dispatcher was told in the original 911 call that the person described was a) a juvenile and b) the gun was likely a fake. None of this was conveyed to the responding officers. If it had been, Tamir may still be alive.

 

[Mac9192]

Tamir Rice was in a park playing with pellet gun...the reports were he was pointing at people...after sitting on a bench for more than 3 minutes, a squad car pulls right up to him on the bench and the officer opens his door and immediately began shooting him to death

You conveniently leave out the following: a) the gun replica lacked the orange tip which would signify that it was a toy gun and b) the officers yelled “show me your hands” upon arriving, at which point Tamir began to assume a firing position.
To add to it all, the dispatcher was told in the original 911 call that the person described was a) a juvenile and b) the gun was likely a fake. None of this was conveyed to the responding officers. If it had been, Tamir may still be alive.

@BOOGIEMAN1914, is @KDSTONE account of the incident accurate? If so, it's people like you that are pouring gas on fires instead of water. You may want to stop subscribing to Daffy Duck Times.

 

[GhostOf301]

With Tamir Rice being so young, it was a terrible tragedy. How do you put the blame on a 12 year old even if it were his actions that got him shot? As I recall, he was shot a single time after he allegedly started to point the gun at the officers. So when you remove the emotional response that comes with wanting justice for a 12 year old and replace it with reason. What is the officer to do at that point? Take the chance that a real gun was being pointed at him, take the time to look really hard to see if the gun was real? The blame goes 100% on whoever was raising that poor kid. He was led by someone to believe it was cool to carry a pistol (BB gun or not) and waive it around in a public place. Assuming the officer feared for his life and wasn't a heartless cracker trying to get a notch on his gun, he deserves some of that empathy that is normally reserved for the bad guys. It couldn't be easy with that on his conscience.

 

[Dahntay#1]

Honestly, I'm not remembering every instance you cited. From what I just looked up on reliable Google about the Rice kid, it definitely was a tragic situation. The summary reads like the cop royally messed up, and just based off google, he should have been charged. The fact he didn't though tells me there might be more to it. One thing I've learned over the years is when the media is reporting something, don't automatically assume the info they're sharing is all that's needed.

I do however remember Michael Brown being shot and killed. You shouldn't have even brought him into making your point. You have none with him. Is it tragic he died? Yes. Did he cause the situation? Yes.

Trust me on this. There is more to every story he listed. I’ve seen enough of your posts to know you understand how the media works. If you take the time to dive deeper into each story, you will see the media is flat out lying at worst, leaving out major details at best.

Prime example. If it interests you, examine the infamous Central Park 5. Take a look at the accepted media narrative and then take a deep dive into what actually happened. You’ll see how easy it is for the media to lie and the public just go along with it.

 

[GhostOf301]

Darren Wilson was the victim in the Michael Brown case. And he also had to go on with having killed someone on his conscience due to someone else's actions. He should have sued the hell out of the "hands up, don't shoot" liars out there. Then and today.

 

[GhostOf301]

In the Philando Castille case. The officer was unreasonably scared and to the point that he had no business being a cop. I believe he should have been held accountable and charged with reckless homicide. Same with the guy who was shot by the female officer who said she thought she drew her taser. She should have been held accountable for reckless homicide.